02-04-2013 08:52 AM
This man wants to send his brats to a religious school but does not want them to take all the classes offered.He has the choice of changing schools.
Catholic schools: Ontario parents fighting to have children exempt from religious studies
A Brampton father has won a partial exemption from religious studies for his son but may still take a Catholic school board to court to win a full pass, as other parents across the province fight for a basic right outlined in the Education Act.
A Brampton father has won a partial exemption from religious studies for his son but may still take a Catholic school board to court to win a full pass, as other parents across the province fight for a basic right outlined in the Education Act.
Oliver Erazo has been battling the Dufferin-Peel Catholic District School Board since last spring to obtain a full exemption from religious courses and programs for his son Jonathan, a Grade 10 student at Notre Dame Catholic Secondary School.
Erazo and his wife initially chose Notre Dame for their children because it’s the closest to their home and garners favourable ratings on a school-ranking website.
Erazo, who now has a lawyer working on his behalf pro bono, said a court may have to ultimately decide the issue, which falls under the Education Act’s open-access legislation.
“I think the only thing they (the board) would understand is a court order,” said Erazo, whose son received a one-year exemption from a mandatory religion course, but must stay home rather than work at school during other religious programs.
Nathaniel Erskine-Smith, a lawyer representing Erazo, said the law clearly states parents can get a full exemption for their children from religious courses and programs.
“The exemption is clearly worded and it’s the law,” Erskine-Smith said, pointing out many parents across the province are struggling with the same issues.
“They’ve granted us most of what we’ve requested, they just haven’t acknowledged that they were required to do so.”
Erskine-Smith said he and his client are considering bringing an application to court that would enforce Erazo’s rights and ensure the “Catholic school board acts in accordance with their obligations under the Education Act.”
02-05-2013 01:58 PM
Sitting up late doing some bookwork
There aren't any within walking distance of his home which is within the city.
I was just wondering.....what is too far a 'walking distance' these days? When I went to school it was 7 blocks to go one route and 9 to take another when you got tired of doing the same 7 block one all the time. Yet I knew a kid in London a few years back who took a cab to school every day and back home and the school was four blocks from his home.....but there was a 4 lane road to cross even though it had traffic lights. Seemingly it wasn't worth sending a school bus for him so the board paid for a cab, for years. Also when I went to elementary school there was no lunch room so we all went home for lunch and had to be back in and hour! And........I can never remember a 'snow day'. You got there rain, hail, sleet and snow.....and no excuses!
Yes that was a Catholic school with nuns from an order we use to call the Sisters Of The Holy Whipping Post.
He will be starting grade one next year and his brother will start Junior K. They would have to walk approximately 15 blocks (well over a mile) to either one of the 2 closest schools. To get to one school they would have to cross Hwy 7 (4 lanes) within the city. The other way they would have to cross 2 very busy streets. They are much to young to remember the way, let alone walk it. We have a Catholic school in the next block from our home and I see most young children being walked or driven there by their parents or older siblings...even those that live nearby.
I grew up in the same era as you did, priority. I walked 6 blocks to school and came home for lunch. I was also a safety patrol on Hwy 7 when it was a 2 lane street through our city. Even then it was a busy corner at lunch time because there was a factory on the corner and they all went home for lunch.
The Catholic schools did not have kindergarten at that time and some (maybe all) the Catholic kids went to the public schools for that year.
The only time my schools ever closed was once, in elementary school, when the furnace conked out on a frigid winter day.
02-05-2013 02:03 PM
"at one time in Alberta we were asked which school board we would like to support"
The same is true in Ontario.
The information as to the type of school system a property owner supports can be found on the property assessment notice issued by the provincial government.
Those who do not wish to support the "separate school system" should select "English-Public".
If everyone did their thing based on what they know best and let others do their thing on what they know best, we would all live in harmony. 🙂
02-05-2013 02:08 PM
As disisus said was the case in Manitoba, much the same "one school board" state of affairs existed in B.C. (outside of Vancouver area) I know that some kids got sent away to Catholic school 100s of miles away in Alberta.
The following outtake from wikipedia describes briefly how Quebec eliminated the religious school boards and got the constitutional amendment.
This confessional system was established through the British North America Act,
1867 (today the Constitution Act, 1867), which granted power over education to the
provinces. Article 93 of the act made it unconstitutional for Quebec to change this
system. Consequently, a constitutional amendment was required to operate what
some see as the separation of the State and the Church in Quebec.
The Quebec Education Act of 1988 provided a change to linguistic school boards.
In 1997, a unanimous vote by the National Assembly of Quebec allowed for Quebec
to request that the Government of Canada exempt the province from Article 93 of the
Constitution Act. This request was passed by the federal parliament, resulting in Royal
Assent being granted to the Constitutional Amendment, 1997, (Quebec).
Does this mean that all it would take to get a similar exemption in other provinces would be a unanimous vote in the provincial legislature? Don't know. I will say that the Protestant/Catholic school board system in ON seems to be very much the exception, although I'm not sure of the situation in the Maritimes.
02-05-2013 02:10 PM
Coven? What about snake handlers? Not exactly mainstream. There are thousands of these smaller religions in the world.
I did attend a Holy Roller service (dated a member of the congregation). It was interesting to say the least.
Coven…..well they are actually the oldest beliefs in the world. Hence why it is called the ‘Old Religion’. (personally I don't like to look at it as a 'religion'...it gives it a bad name) You would be surprised how many practice it, but they still, like as happened through the centuries….they live in fear. In some countries fear of being killed, in other countries fear of being ostracized or other forms of subtle punishment. All ‘mainstream’ religions have feared them and demonized them for their own purposes. Walt Disney didn’t help much either. Snake handlers….don’t know much about them other than documentaries I have seen. My snake doesn’t mind being handled at all. They have always had a bad rap ever since that little incident in that Garden of Eden.
The Holy Rollers are definitely interesting. I call it Christian Voodoo.
In many communities, congregations are shrinking. There are three churches in this area that are now shared by three different religions, all Christian but not the same denomination. Many congregations are finding it difficult to keep their churches going because donations are shrinking. So, they sell their building/land and move in with another group.
Sad really…….not the congregation part…….but the loss of some great buildings. Many protestant groups will sell the church if possible……Catholics, they always tear them down. I tried to buy a Catholic Church but the Diocese wouldn’t go for it. Now it’s just an empty spot on the highway. What a waste of heritage. But I have bought a lot from Catholic churches, statues, railings, lights, cast iron choir railings, robes etc etc . My home has stained glass in many rooms and in the enclosed porch, courtesy of a Catholic church that once stood on Wortley Rd in London. Last year I was at a church auction (not Catholic) and bought a piece I have always wanted. Go ahead puck……guess what it was! LOL
On a related note, many of the Muslim kids in Ottawa attend Catholic schools because the parents think the moral instruction built into the curriculuum is a Good Thing, even if the instruction is based on Christian thinking rather than on Islam.
Actually it’s not too hard to understand. Christ is mentioned in the Quran and the blessed Virgin is highly revered.
02-05-2013 02:45 PM
Alot of the old country churches have been converted into family homes. I would like to live in an old church or old country school.
02-05-2013 02:59 PM
Coven?
Know what a coven is so no thanks for the lesson.
I know about Wiccans as well.
I looked up coven on the internet.
If they are in London, they don't want anyone to know.
02-05-2013 03:01 PM
Go ahead puck……guess what it was!
Don't think they would have another mask for you.
So many things in a church.
Pews are popular.
I have seen people buy the baptismal font.
I have seen people buy the altar.
Not sure what you would want there unless the church was into devil worshipping.
02-05-2013 03:18 PM
Some materials can be recycled. I saw a restaurant rescue show the other day where they re-used the seats of the chairs that they were replacing to make the bar top.
The place had lots of wood that was easily recycled.
02-05-2013 03:25 PM
Know what a coven is so no thanks for the lesson.
Ah such an ….open…..mind. LOL
I know about Wiccans as well.
I looked up coven on the internet.
Wiccans aren’t the old religion. They’re a fairly new concept. They just borrowed a lot of old teachings.
The Internet?….Don’t you know by now to not believe what the Internet says.
Always remember the old quote:
“Don’t believe everything you read on the Internet”
Abraham Lincoln
If they are in London, they don't want anyone to know.
You didn’t look very hard. Type in.... Wiccans London Ontario. But don’t believe all you read there either.
I have owned three baptismal fountains and hundreds of church pews, communion glasses and so many other artefacts I have lost count. Never owned an altar though.
I finally bought a Victorian pulpit. It’s a keeper. Been looking for just the right one for years. I have a room we call the great room…..21ft ceilings. A couple of years ago I put a 17ft balcony in with church railings. The pulpit is going to be attached to the balcony and over look the rest of the room. There will be a steel support system designed to hold the weight because it’s solid oak, but it will work. Maybe I’ll open a church…..no more property taxes to pay. :^O
No I don’t worship the devil. I don’t know where you get this stuff! The devil…..doesn’t even exist. He was created by religion to keep everyone in line. If they want to believe it....more power to them. I just sit back and chuckle.
02-05-2013 04:06 PM
If you only understood history both past and present it would be so beneficial to you.
I have studied history and quite probably understand it far better than you do !
Both past and present !
02-05-2013 04:19 PM
02-05-2013 09:07 PM
I have studied history - both past and present !
I thought that the "present" wasn't history until tomorrow. You learn something every day.
Prior would be so proud.
02-05-2013 09:10 PM
The present will only be current events tomorow.
02-05-2013 09:40 PM
I thought that the "present" wasn't history until tomorrow.
The present is the second you are in …..at present. The next second is the past. They don’t say “time flies” for nothing.
The past came right after reading the first word of this. Now you’re in the present….now the past…..now the present…..and on and on it goes.
Oops! you missed another one!
To me, it is disrespectful to enter their house of worship as a non-believer.
Not at all. You are entering to learn and through learning we grow understanding. You can’t understand a horse until you spend time with them…..but it doesn’t mean you have to buy one. I’ve been in Jewish homes and Christian homes and Moslem homes and many other places where being part of their lives in for instance prayer…..is respect. When one tells someone they ‘respect them’ but will not enter their ‘home’ (the house of their religion)….they have a tendency to feel that the ‘respect’ is all just words.
02-05-2013 10:11 PM
Give...me...a...break...
Give us ALL a break, FFS...
02-05-2013 10:29 PM