Always good to hear the ‘other side’ of the story and hear information and facts that the government and the media so conveniently keep from the public.
It’s about an hour long so if you are so inclined to get a more balanced perspective here it is……….
I’m curious about a few things……if that’s ok…….
The average grade for the grade 11 teacher is 49% every year for the past 7 years.
Maybe that teacher is tougher….preparing them for a ….tough world. Maybe like courses I experienced, the first year is harder because you are trying to understand the basics and the next year is easier after the basics are understood.
But lets say just for the sake of discussion that it is a difference in teachers. What are the differences? Well it may not be the ‘marks’, it may be the teacher’s way of teaching. This is what, the same as in real life, defines people. There can be very what some would consider bad teachers and average teachers and superb teachers. Many times teachers who are considered bad….meaning tough or demanding of their students….are looked back on many years later as some of the best of teachers. Why do you think some of the toughest (meaning push the kids to do more and achieve more) schools in the world…turn out some of the most educated or knowledgeable people? The difference in ‘teachers’ can be found not only in schools but in professional environments and the military and …..also parents. I had an employee years ago who wanted to come work for me in a specifc area of which he had no real experience, but he said he could do. So I put him to the 'test' and I gave him something to do. He brought it back and I said "no not good enough...do it again". He brought it back again and again I said "not good enough...do it again". Each time he did a poor job I showed him where he was wrong.....but I also left some for him to figure out on his own. This went on for about 8 times until he had it .......perfect! That was 16 years ago and he is still with me and he has trained many people and he is known as the best in the business.....because 'good enough'....isn't the best.
If I had a child in school and they were getting average grades….I would be asking why? There are exams and exams have answers. Chemistry is not literature where there could be 10 answers to one question and they are all correct in some form or another. Chemistry is very precise.
To me, school is like a child playing the violin. Lots of people can play a violin….but only a few understand how to get to perfection.
So without knowing all the real answers as to if one teacher is as you put it 'lazy' or not….I don’t think you can first of all blame the teacher and secondly blame the union. The ‘board’ may have said their hands are tied not because of the union but because of the exams which if I am correct on this have to be approved by the Provincial Board of Education to certain standards of a particular subject. If school boards removed every teacher that some parent didn't like........there would be very few teachers left.
Also I noticed you did not mention talking to the teachers themselves, but you mentioned going to the school board. Wouldn’t it be a good first step to talk to the people that you are making complaints about …..first ……and get their side of the situation before asking for their head on a platter.
your was a nice story and i am sure you actually paid this guy every single time he did the job incorrectly even though you could not bill the customer for it?
No it had nothing to do with a customer. It was other work I put together as a test project. You wouldn't understand.
do that too often and you will find yourself out of business.
Thanks for the information but I've been in this business for 30 years and it's very successful, with a group of skilled workers who cut no corners and give the customer 101%.
A-the way they grade-which should be consitant
or
B-one is having a problem getting through tothe students or just does not care.
You will never find A in the education system in any country.....and that they ''do not care'' is just another .....assumption.
It is a shame that a group of parents had to get together and only 1 parent went to see the teacher. Only 1? I'm surprised it was not you. Don't you have a GPS?
So no one 'really' knows why the teacher felt that the kids did not deserve higher grades. The teacher never had the 'real' opportunity to explain Eg:....''well here was the test question and this was the correct answer but this is the answer your child gave.''
I think what we may have here are a group of parents who want little Johnny and little Mary to get good grades even though they don't deserve them....and if a teacher isn't living up to the parents expectations then.....GET RID OF THE TEACHER!!!! Just another fast track to entitlement.
not looking for an education.
I knew that long ago. Rather limiting isn’t it.
There were several teachers in the thread when I posted the numbers. They did not dispute them.
What thread was that, I would like to read it and count the number of teachers.
I watched people who were hand picked by the Union to express there positions.
Oh really? Handpicked? Where did it say that…….or are you just assuming? I believe TVO chose them.
The teachers who disagree with the actions of the union are afraid to speak up.
And how do you know that?
Reacting to criticism with anger, shame, or humiliation.
Nope, I only react to racists, bigotry, injustice and ignorance.
Taking advantage of others to reach own goals.
Never have, Never will. I’ve actually been criticized by people for not taking those advantages.
Exaggerating own importance, achievements, and talents.
Nope….any achievements or talents I can back up if some people can find a GPS. Importance?….well I don’t think I am any important than anyone else. Maybe more right in some occasions, but never more important.
Imagining unrealistic fantasies of success, beauty, power, intelligence, or romance. Na….nothing unrealistic.
Requiring constant attention and positive reinforcement from others.
Hardly! As an example I start very few threads…..someone else starts a LOT. Ask anyone who knows me in real life if I need reinforcement….and they will laugh and tell you you’re way wrong!
Becoming jealous easily.
ME! LOL…..oh please!
Lacking empathy and disregarding the feelings of others.
You must be kidding. Do you read what you copy and paste? I’m totally the opposite.
Being obsessed with self.
Wrong again.
Pursuing mainly selfish goals.
Wrong again. I am a river to my people.
Trouble keeping healthy relationships.
Whoa….is that wayyyyyy off.
Becoming easily hurt and rejected.
Seriously…..read before you copy and paste.
Setting goals that are unrealistic.
Nope never have. I’ve achieved all my goals but a few and I’ll fill those eventually.
Wanting "the best" of everything.
Wrong again……sooooo wrong.
Appearing unemotional.
Well when I TCB with someone I can be.
Frankly I think that description is more appropriate for several others.
Frankly, I think the whole student thing is invented.
test results that he maked incorrect
Test result ‘all’ marked incorrect for all the students? LOL….yeah right!
still waiting to hear your rsponce to the FACT that the union has threatened teachers with fines by not towing union lines and volunteering on their own time!
You have your wires crossed again. In the thread ‘Ontario Teachers vs Government Standoff’ …in post 24 it was you that said …. ” guess you did not have time to read the article?? 92% of those THAT VOTED!!! it was NOt a secret ballot each person had to put their name and union # on the ballot! If the union can threaten people ($500 a day fine for not doing as they say) do you really think that those that disagreed would actually vote? really really???”
Bb-cool replied in post 25…. ” Really ??? Did this happen ??? In my experience we have never put our names on an any Union Ballot. Maybe things have changed.”
Following that post I said to bb in post 26…. ” I'll wait as well.” ….meaning I’ll wait for the same reply.
You continued to post ….28, and 36….but ‘you’….. never…….. did answer bb.
So……….you’re a bit confused because it is ‘you’ we are waiting for …..not ‘you’ waiting for me.
Well mikey I agree with you on this. In their own time an individual should not be told what to do. Personally I think that if someone was fined….it would never hold up in a court of law because a union does not control people’s lives 24/7.
That being said however….I also believe that the teachers who chose not to participate in after school activities should also not be condemned because it always was on their ‘own time’.
I think the problem we have here is teachers out of the goodness of their hearts and appreciation for the children have given probably hundreds of thousands of unpaid hours over the years of their own time in activities to help the kids. Maybe it should never have started in the first place because it has got to a point where they are now ‘expected’ to do these activities and they have been taken for granted by both the government and many parents….and many of those parents would never stay at their own jobs without being paid. It’s like the old saying in the military….’never volunteer for anything because they will expect that of you from then on’.
The problems with situations like this is there is the bigger picture and one must ask oneself ‘’do I think of just me….or everyone concerned?’’ It can all be encompassed in one word …….Solidarity. So for a moment forget about the union and the fine and if teachers do these things on their own time. The real question is ….’are you with us or against us’? It’s like many other things in life, a job, a sports team, the military, etc etc….if you don’t want to go along with those you decided at one time to be part of and share in the benefits….then the person absolutely does have that right and they also have the right to.... leave. It’s a lousy position to be in but many times in life that’s part of ….freedom. Been there, done that, got the pink slip.
As for the rest of what you went on about, nothing is missing. There would actually have to be two and that’s virtually impossible for several reasons. You know it and I know it.
As most put in 5, 5.5 or 6 hours per day of class time, it would seem that two or three hours of extracurricular a week would be a fair request.
Do you know how much time they put in at home working on many things for school? Ask that teacher you know.
I get a sense here that there is a new concept emerging based on actual ‘working’ time. It’s beginning to sound like some countries (eg: China) where they monitor all their workers and it becomes ….”well you stopped working for 3 minutes and you were seen just staring out the window so we can either deduct that from your pay or you can stay late and work it off”.
If we are going to base work on things like that then I suggest you start from the ‘top’ down. The PM, all politicians, company CEO’s, police, firemen, construction workers, sales clerks and the list goes on and on.
Maybe in the world that some people seem to increasingly want to live in …..legislating this and that and making more rules and handing out more orders ……then the time has come for in the world of education, if students and parents want more then……….pay for it….or do it yourself. This is what happens in the real world…..when you push people…….they push back. When you don’t appreciate what people do….then don’t be surprised that they take it away. If you have kids they are being sent to school for an ….education.
He is a basketball nut and now cannot coach his kids. He said that, if it were not for peer pressure, he would be coaching his team every day.
So……tell him if he is that nuts about it…..go to a local gym or to a local outside court (in good weather) and do it! You never know....a game of pickup might turn into a full fledged game. The kids who are equally nuts about it will come.
Don't little Joey to feel bad because Mary got a higher mark.
I think that's what a lot of parents want these days, especially one that comes to mind.
