Auctions, and how they suck!!!

mitchell-905
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O.K. here's the situation, lets say an item was on auction for 5 days . but i decided to wait the five days and place a bid with say... 4 seconds left in the auction. a pop up screen should say "I'm sorry but you are not invested in this product like the other ten people who have been bidding for five days straight. please place a bid somewhere else" do i get that? noooooo. At a "real auction" who ever dosen't have they money, don't get it.( there is no time limit; its who ever bid last, and who can afford it wins) so yeah i suggest you do something about that. because i hate losing product that i might not ever see again. not fair to the people who actually like coming on this site thinking its fair and just. please fix this. 

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"please fix this"


 


It is already fixed ; DO NOT WAIT until a few seconds are left in the auction.


 


Do what most bidders do: place your bid early for the maximum price you are willing to pay. Problem solved.

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I usually wait till the last 20 seconds and then put in my maximum bid. If I win, great, if I don't, then someone  to whom  the item was worth more  got a deal.

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O.K. here's the situation, lets say an item was on auction for 5 days . but i decided to wait the five days and place a bid with say... 4 seconds left in the auction. a pop up screen should say "I'm sorry but you are not invested in this product like the other ten people who have been bidding for five days straight. please place a bid somewhere else" do i get that? noooooo. At a "real auction" who ever dosen't have they money, don't get it.( there is no time limit; its who ever bid last, and who can afford it wins) so yeah i suggest you do something about that. because i hate losing product that i might not ever see again. not fair to the people who actually like coming on this site thinking its fair and just. please fix this. 



 


You can't be serious?


 


You want eBay to be like a physical auction house?

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itchey.2008
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thats what I was just thinking

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I often wait until the last 10 or 12 seconds to place a bid.  I don't think of this as being unfair.  To me, it's a strategy that often works -- and it's fun.  It also doesn't mean that I'm not invested in the item.  I'll watch it for several days, decide how much I want to pay for it, see if another ones becomes available in the meantime or perhaps find an item I want more.  If I lose it, that's cool -- it's a chance I take.


 


It's fun from a seller's point of view too.  Many of my auctions get a bid in the dying seconds.

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I often wait until the last 10 or 12 seconds to place a bid.  it's a strategy that often works -- and it's fun.  It's fun from a seller's point of view too.  Many of my auctions get a bid in the dying seconds.



 


Totally agree! It's the BEST way to win.


 


My question to the OP: why don't you do it too?


 


Moreover, in a real auction house, I think a buyer could arrive in the last seconds (say he was late or whatever) and outbid everyone too. The person who wanted it the most is the person who will win. It's as simple as that. I agree that it often sucks to loose, but it's life. Life is not always fair.

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Sounds like the seller is not part of this story.  Why slag the system?  If you go through enough red lights and get smashed into, maybe you should not go through the red lights.  The seller does not care that you did not bid.  The seller and the auction house want the highest bid.  Hesitate and you confuse only yourself.  Others are on the through lane.

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O.K. here's the situation, lets say an item was on auction for 5 days . but i decided to wait the five days and place a bid with say... 4 seconds left in the auction. a pop up screen should say "I'm sorry but you are not invested in this product like the other ten people who have been bidding for five days straight. please place a bid somewhere else" do i get that? noooooo. At a "real auction" who ever dosen't have they money, don't get it.( there is no time limit; its who ever bid last, and who can afford it wins) so yeah i suggest you do something about that. because i hate losing product that i might not ever see again. not fair to the people who actually like coming on this site thinking its fair and just. please fix this. 



 


 


Did that rant make you feel all warm and fuzzy ?


 


 


 


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What's the deal? sounds like your low balling the auctions too soon in the game. It's not any worse than what the snipers are doing you just don't want to invest any time in monitoring the auctions in the last few minutes, Sounds like you want to bid a dollar on an item 7 days before the auction ends and not get beat out on the last day just because you bid first. There is different sniping websites that will do the bidding for you or you can search for typos in your category if you want to continue bidding the way you are currently.

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Obviously a "newbie", if life was fair it might work, but unfortunately with the various sniping apps available, in addition to the the Sniping services, it does not leave much of a choice now does it? The only advantage to bidding first is it guarantees you a win if the end bid is equal to yours.


So short form, make a first token bid, and place your max at the end.


I can't even count the amount of times that some "private" member placed up to 20 consecutive bids in the last few seconds, which is physically impossible manually.


 


Sniping also prevents dubious sellers who push bidding wars to inflate the "Sell" price, because let's be real, there might be one or two less than honest sellers on EBay.


 


"When in Rome, do as the Romans do."


 

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I disagree with pierre....  We should be able to bid on any times at the last moments while they are still on auctions.  Either the first second when it is listed or a few minutes left before it ends, we can bid on it at any time we wish.


 


As for bidding on item way too early sometimes it is not ideal as I have seen a lot with some auctions when any items are bidded on the first day, there are lots of bidders bid bringing the prices higher.  Other experiences for me is that I wait unitl the last 2 minutes to bid and bam, I see other 5 more bidders bidding on the same item and I end up being the winner.  It is becasue it didn't give them chances to rebid for higher prices in the lsat few minutes.  It often worked for me that way.


 


As for the seller or whoever telling you cannot bid becuase you didn't "invest" in it is insane and not make any senses.  Suppose I came across it at the last minute and want to bid on it??


 


As long as any item still have any minutes left, we can bid on it at the last minute to avoid the raised prices.  It worked for me often.


 

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I read the OPs story, and it seems I misunderstood the first time, and many of us did too. I think what happened is the OP tried to bid in the last seconds, but got a message that the seller doesn't ship to Canada or something like that. Am I wrong mitchell-905?


 


In that case, it would have help to bid early, because he would have get the same message and then would have been able to either contact the seller and asks if he would ship to Canada or move on to another item.

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Please forget my post #12. It seems it's the second reading that I misunderstood. LOL! Time to get some sleep! 😉

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owlgebra
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It's sort of a rite of passage at eBay to be new, participate in bidding at all hours everyday, and then get ticked off when someone outbids in the last few seconds.  I was ticked off like that.  I learned to adapt, and now would hate it if there was some kind of false end time as suggested.  I signed up to a proxy bid service, and that has taught me the discipline to put in my highest, and forget about it.  (It was terrible for my nerves before.)  It also allowed me to quickly manage bids on dozens of collectible items that end close in time together.  And, I get piece of mind that a local service outage won't stop my bid.  And, I don't have to get up in the middle of the night for items that end then, or miss out on end times that are when I am otherwise unavailable.  EBay auctions can't be like real ones if bidding is permitted at all hours for several days -- no real auction has people sitting in the room for days on end.

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It's not exactly clear to me what the OP is describing -- I assume he means his last-moment bid got either sniped or that an earlier bidder had a higher reserve bid than his, which of course happens in "real life" auctions too.  All the bidders on the floor at a live auction may still be outbid by a reserve bid.  I've won a few things at live auction houses this way.


 


However, if he was "sniped", that's a different story, and I feel for him if he's a relative newcomer to eBay.  From my own experience I can say that no matter how early you bid, or how reasonable a bid you place on a sought-after item, if there's a sniper involved, you'll probably lose.


 


Personally speaking, it was sniping that put me off bidding on eBay, and particularly those instances where there were already serious bids on the table and the seller was obviously going to get good value for his item.  The first time it happened to me years ago, I couldn't believe an actual human being could be entering a bid at T-0.5 seconds for exactly enough to win (considering there may have been other bidders with reserve bids).


 


Later of course I learned that there were sniping programmes out there that could out-manoeuvre any human being, and that knowledge more or less ended it for me where buying at auction on eBay was concerned.


 


I must say I was tempted on more than one occasion to place an early bid so outrageously high that I'd call the sniper's bluff, say $1,000 on something that should really go for $100.  I never did, because I didn't have enough cash to throw away on such nonsense.  I just stopped looking at auction items completely, particularly if they were items I knew to be of high interest.  Now I almost exclusively focus on BIN items.


 


It's just my opinion, but I don't think sniping is ultimately good for buyers or sellers -- it may be great for a seller to get a slightly higher end price due to a sniper, but how many disgusted "legitimate" human bidders (perhaps like the OP) is the seller putting off, who won't come back?  I might consider bidding on auction items if eBay could get rid of sniping programmes, or automatically cancel "sniped" bids -- but is that even possible?


 


By the way, I would love to have an explanation from someone who is techno-savvy on exactly how sniping apps/programmes work.  For example, are they somehow able to "read" the reserve bids placed by earlier bidders?   Does the human bidder behind the programme have to set a maximum bid beforehand?  Or does the sniping programme just throw out an impossibly high bid at the very last nano-second, knowing it's unlikely to be challenged by anything on the table?


 


The OP's experience is also the reason, incidentally, that as a seller I rarely offer items at auction anymore.  I find BIN with "Best Offer" is a much happier solution for both buyer and seller.

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Sniping also prevents dubious sellers who push bidding wars to inflate the "Sell" price, because let's be real, there might be one or two less than honest sellers on EBay.



 


I'm not sure how you arrive at this conclusion.  If by "sellers who push bidding wars" you're referring to shill bidding, that's strictly illegal.  Otherwise, sellers have no control over which bidders (or how many) show up to buy and how much they're prepared to bid. 


 


Of course there are items that sellers know will attract bidders and create bidding competition -- but that's supposed to be the point of eBay auctions. 


 


Last-second sniping in fact guarantees the seller will get more than the highest existing bid, and although the seller may score a few dollars more because of a sniper, will the other bidders, like the OP, be so put off they won't come back again -- maybe so, and if so, then what has the seller really gained in the long run?  This is why I dislike sniping and wish eBay would find a way to get rid of it.

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I don't know how sniping programmes work because I don't use them and so can't speak to the issues raised by rose-dee.


 


However, I stand by my comment that I don't think it's unfair to place a bid in the dying seconds of an auction and, until this thread began, I had no idea that this was such a controversial subject.  I view it as an approach that requires a little bit of skill and experience, thus making it challenging.  And I am very much invested in the item since I do watch it for a few days but, in many cases, make my final decison as to whether I want it or not when the auction is closing.  Maybe something more interesting will have come along in the meantime.

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However, I stand by my comment that I don't think it's unfair to place a bid in the dying seconds of an auction and, until this thread began, I had no idea that this was such a controversial subject.  I view it as an approach that requires a little bit of skill and experience, thus making it challenging. 


I wasn't actually suggesting there was anything wrong with this approach, as long as we're talking about human bidders.  I often did the same myself.  It's the automated sniping programmes that make it an unfair (and unbalanced) game.  My opinion is based on some very weird and nasty sniping I've encountered over the years that could only have come from a computer.  In those cases I've looked at the bids after the fact, and, as was pointed out in post #10, there is no other possible explanation.

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Whoops - somehow the quote got left out - Post #18 is my response, not "jt-libra's" quote!

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