Info I got from Discogs, $80 tariff on all incoming mail from Canada.

[musicyouneed]

Of course Tariffs are also the subject on Discogs.  From my understanding on the site that effective Aug 29/25 that all parcels going into the US from Canada Post that the COO is other than USA will be assessed an $80 fee.  So that CD I sell from West Germany for $10 will all of a sudden have an $80 USD tariff attached.  Is that the understanding you get?  If that's the case, I will not be selling CD's to the US unless they were made there.

[ilikehockeyjerseys]

Do you have a link to this? Was it a statement by Discogs themselves, or second hand info posted on their discussion forum?

One of the things discussed already on this forum was a flat fee of $80 or $200 per package. The fee is based on the tariff percentage that the COI places on the USA. I haven't seen it clearly stated whether that will be an optional thing, as in you can pay the less of the flat fee or the percentage based tariff. Or, if they will only use flat fees to simplify the process.

[musicyouneed]

I will look for it.  Basically they US are not prepared to do a % tariff yet so they are doing 10% of $800 = $80 till they get set up.  Most of the info on Discogs is UK sellers and the conversations are geared towards Royal Mail. 

Found it:  https://www.whitehouse.gov/fact-sheets/2025/07/fact-sheet-president-donald-j-trump-is-protecting-the...

[sapphyres-designer-jewellery]

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@musicyouneed wrote:

I will look for it.  Basically they US are not prepared to do a % tariff yet so they are doing 10% of $800 = $80 till they get set up.  

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I found this, not sure if the source is credible, it's hard to tell what's reliable and what's not while digging around: 

https://www.pwc.com/ca/en/services/tax/publications/tax-insights/us-eliminates-de-minimis-shipment-e...

According to this list, if the Canada items are subect to tariff, the specific duty rate until end of Feb will be $200 USD.

If they are actually applying specific duty to all these packages for the next six months, it would make sense to use a DDP solution and raise prices to pay the tariff, then the customer isn't hit with a $80-200 tariff bill. (I get some people don't care, but I don't want to scare off all my customers by having them receive such a bill).

I'm likely going to raise prices on a lot of things and use DDP. A good number of my items are UK with a 10% tariff, so it's not a big price increase, I'm also hoping the CUSMA stuff made in Canada will go through tariff free, that will apply to a big part of my store.

C.

[easoss]

I used Discogs a lot before COVID and did quite well. However I got into a dispute with them about a package not arriving (the customer did get it and we were fine). However, Discogs found me unreliable and deleted all my listings (over 1500). I will never use that site again and this wouldn't surprise me in the least. I have 2 words for them I'm sure you can guess. Funny part is I still have over 3000 CD's but I don't list them because I've  found eBay to be very slow moving for these items. 

[Anonymous]

Those tariff pirates sure like to keep us guessing eh! 

[Anonymous]

'If they are actually applying specific duty to all these packages for the next six months, it would make sense to use a DDP solution and raise prices to pay the tariff, then the customer isn't hit with a $80-200 tariff bill. (I get some people don't care, but I don't want to scare off all my customers by having them receive such a bill).'

But wouldn't your higher listing prices scare them off also? I don't know what DDP means, but someone has to pay the tariff, right?

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@sapphyres-designer-jewellery wrote:

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@musicyouneed wrote:

I will look for it.  Basically they US are not prepared to do a % tariff yet so they are doing 10% of $800 = $80 till they get set up.  

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I found this, not sure if the source is credible, it's hard to tell what's reliable and what's not while digging around: 

https://www.pwc.com/ca/en/services/tax/publications/tax-insights/us-eliminates-de-minimis-shipment-e...

According to this list, if the Canada items are subect to tariff, the specific duty rate until end of Feb will be $200 USD.

If they are actually applying specific duty to all these packages for the next six months, it would make sense to use a DDP solution and raise prices to pay the tariff, then the customer isn't hit with a $80-200 tariff bill. (I get some people don't care, but I don't want to scare off all my customers by having them receive such a bill).

I'm likely going to raise prices on a lot of things and use DDP. A good number of my items are UK with a 10% tariff, so it's not a big price increase, I'm also hoping the CUSMA stuff made in Canada will go through tariff free, that will apply to a big part of my store.

C.

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When you say "raise prices" I hope you mean raising US shipping rates (will incure NO additional eBay fees) rather than raising items prices which would increase your eBay fees AND overcharge your non-US customers.

[musicyouneed]

"When you say "raise prices" I hope you mean raising US shipping rates (will incure NO additional eBay fees) rather than raising items prices which would increase your eBay fees AND overcharge your non-US customers."

 Don't we pay ebay fees on our shipping amount, therefore ebay would get a percentage of the tariff paid. 

[lotzofuniquegoodies]

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@Anonymous wrote:

Those tariff pirates sure like to keep us guessing eh! 

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@Anonymous 

If sellers start having to foot the bill in FVF's for tariffs/processing, for majority of sellers shipping to applicable countries will no longer be worth the effort. We have been taking a big enough hit shipping anything heavy/large. Bad enough it's next to impossible  selling anything that happens to be long with any sense of consistency (they now take major patience to sell) or worse, angering the customer.

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@musicyouneed wrote:

"When you say "raise prices" I hope you mean raising US shipping rates (will incure NO additional eBay fees) rather than raising items prices which would increase your eBay fees AND overcharge your non-US customers."

 Don't we pay ebay fees on our shipping amount, therefore ebay would get a percentage of the tariff paid. 

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On an International order the fees on shipping are based on your DOMESTIC shipping rate (to your own location if you use calculated shipping).

Look at the fee details for any of your recent sales that shipped to the US (or any other country except Canada. You will see that for a US sale where you charge $9 shipping the fee calculations will be based on your Canadian shipping price of $5.50

[ilikehockeyjerseys]

Final value fee is calculated on the total sale. 

So in a situation where you are doing DDP and you work them in as part of the shipping cost, you would have to ballpark the percent in fees that you will pay on that portion, and include that on top of it. It will be very convoluted. 

There is a lot of conflicting info about what is going to be charged. Someone was helpful enough to post some info about how Royal Mail will handle it. It included a Youtube video where a lady explains what she expects. She says that she knows for a fact that Royal Mail will not use the flat fees ($80/$200) and will instead charge based on the actual tariff rate. For the goods she was using as an example, she suggested it would be 10 percent, which doesn't seem that bad - except there are multiple places in writing where it says that it will be a base rate of 10 percent, along with the applicable ad valorem tariff rate.

The point is not that the above is correct or incorrect.

The point is that everywhere I read people suggest different ways that they think it is supposed to work, but I haven't actually seen an authoritative source you can expect the carrier to charge x or y. 

It comes off to me as if nobody actually knows what's happening. Even eBay's statement boiled down to "gg". Which I assume is because they have no actionable info to act on, but sellers expect them to communicate something. 

[sapphyres-designer-jewellery]

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@Anonymous wrote:

'If they are actually applying specific duty to all these packages for the next six months, it would make sense to use a DDP solution and raise prices to pay the tariff, then the customer isn't hit with a $80-200 tariff bill. (I get some people don't care, but I don't want to scare off all my customers by having them receive such a bill).'

But wouldn't your higher listing prices scare them off also? I don't know what DDP means, but someone has to pay the tariff, right?

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DDP is Stallion and Chit Chat's term for "delivered duties paid". If the tariff on a UK item is 10%, that's not a significant increase in price. I do get that some items I won't be able to increase (because they are selling for a "magic number"), but maybe I can increase some things. Most of my items are under $50, so it's not a big increase. 

Also I might not send so many seller initiated offers as before (and do this instead of increasing the price on the items). The seller initiated offers are 10-20% discount, if I have a 10% tariff and don't send an offer, it works out to the same. 

Someone does have to pay the tariff, if it's DDP then I, as the shipper, have to pay it. But I'm not going to pay it, I'm going to pass it on to the buyer. The reason I would ship DDP is to avoid the buyer getting a nasty tariff bill from USPS when their package arrives with $200 in tariffs owing on a relatively small purchase. I'm sure this "specific duty rate" they're going to apply is designed to stop people from importing small purchases, and they'll change to ad valorem duty on packages once everyone gets the message that tariffs are a lot of money.

C.

[38e_avenue]

Seriously, how might it work? Who will pay additional $80 or $200 for a $20 item? Who will handle millions of refusals DAILY and then returns to Canada? Sounds like an Armageddon. 

Please don't post such apocalyptical news without carefully veryfying the source. Thanks!   

[sapphyres-designer-jewellery]

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When you say "raise prices" I hope you mean raising US shipping rates (will incure NO additional eBay fees) rather than raising items prices which would increase your eBay fees AND overcharge your non-US customers.

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I haven't worked out all the details, I'm afraid by raising US shipping prices I might scare buyers off more than raising the price of the item.

The plan is still in progress, I'm on time away at least until Sept 1 (maybe a few days longer as I try to figure out what I'm going to do). I'm stepping away from the computer tomorrow night and will likely not be posting much in the next two weeks (however if I have a reasonable internet collection I will try to keep reading to find out what's going on here while I develop my plan to deal with the tariffs).

C.

[sapphyres-designer-jewellery]

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@musicyouneed wrote:

"When you say "raise prices" I hope you mean raising US shipping rates (will incure NO additional eBay fees) rather than raising items prices which would increase your eBay fees AND overcharge your non-US customers."

 Don't we pay ebay fees on our shipping amount, therefore ebay would get a percentage of the tariff paid. 

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The eBay fee is paid on the domestic shipping rate. The prices I plan to raise are going to be on the dot com site, so I guess you're right I'll be paying eBay fees (since US shipping is domestic).

I'm also going to work on targetting more non-US buyers with attractive shipping rates (as attractive as they can be when shipping costs so much in the first place). Some of my merchandise attracts Canadian buyers.

But I'm still working on all that planning...

C.

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@ilikehockeyjerseys wrote:

Final value fee is calculated on the total sale. 

If it is a cross border shipment this is NOT correct. As I detailed in my previous post you pay fees on whatever the buyer pays for the Item and taxes but you do not pay on the full shipping charge unless your International shipping charge is the same or less than your domestic shipping charge.

Example

Item value $20

Tax $1.50

Domestic Shipping $5.00

International Shipping $10.00

Total paid by buyer - Domestic sale $26.50

Total paid by buyer - International sale $31.50

The Fee Base for calculation of fees

Domestic Sale $26.50

International Sale $26.50

Of course adding your DDP costs to the Item, besides increasing your fees you would also be charging buyers that are not subject to tariffs (pretty much any country other than the US) a higher amount AND you will be paying more in eBay fees. If you add it to the shipping charge only your US buyers will pay more and your eBay fees will be lower. 

[sapphyres-designer-jewellery]

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@ilikehockeyjerseys wrote:

Final value fee is calculated on the total sale. 

So in a situation where you are doing DDP and you work them in as part of the shipping cost, you would have to ballpark the percent in fees that you will pay on that portion, and include that on top of it. It will be very convoluted. 

There is a lot of conflicting info about what is going to be charged. Someone was helpful enough to post some info about how Royal Mail will handle it. It included a Youtube video where a lady explains what she expects. She says that she knows for a fact that Royal Mail will not use the flat fees ($80/$200) and will instead charge based on the actual tariff rate. For the goods she was using as an example, she suggested it would be 10 percent, which doesn't seem that bad - except there are multiple places in writing where it says that it will be a base rate of 10 percent, along with the applicable ad valorem tariff rate.

The point is not that the above is correct or incorrect.

The point is that everywhere I read people suggest different ways that they think it is supposed to work, but I haven't actually seen an authoritative source you can expect the carrier to charge x or y. 

It comes off to me as if nobody actually knows what's happening. Even eBay's statement boiled down to "gg". Which I assume is because they have no actionable info to act on, but sellers expect them to communicate something. 

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I'm planning to read up on everything before I turn my store back on (so I know what's happening and if I should stay on time away longer). The Canadian store will come back almost right away, but the US store I'm still working on what to do about that.

I think it is fair to say no one can know what will happen because it's all been as clear as mud. It also changes as the wind blows, so even if it's not as clear as mud, it might be different in a day or two and we'll have to figure it out all over again.

I think we're making ourselves crazy trying to figure out Aug 29. How about sell what you can until then without tariffs and find ways to make lots of sales, then do time away for a few days to find out what's happening, then relaunch when you know how this will all be applied. That's kind of what I'm doing, but since I'm travelling tomorrow my time away is now, I've been shut down since last Sunday.

C.

[Anonymous]

ShadowRaptor did not write that!

[Anonymous]

Have a great holiday!