USA packages being returned

pvj2
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Anyone else have problems lately with packages being returned to sender? I had one that cleared customs in Chicago went to Texas which is the delivery state and then sent back. Had another this week with the m=buyers address blacked out and a RTS on the box.What's going on?

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Did you use ebay labels?

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Basically DDU shipments MUST have the tariff paid before the shipment can be released to the recipient, and that payment goes directly to the CBP. I can see why USPS doesn't want to handle these tariffs - millions of packages coming from China (even with tariffs) that they would have to prepay the duties on and then try and collect from the recipient? Umm, nope. And the same thing for Canada Post - they would have to pay in advance as well, and then somehow get the money back from USPS once it's collected from the recipient? How the heck will that work? And WORST of all - if the recipient refuses, CBP doesn't refund back the duty to either USPS or Canada Post because of the djt IEEA classified tariffs which CANNOT be refunded. This is a classic hot mess with no way out for anybody.

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That's why any US shipments I have I package in a basic manor and hand write the address. No printed labels, invoices on packages or courier services used. That attracts attention by the tariff collectors. None of my packages have had any trouble.

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@fergua3 wrote:

somethng's not  adding up with all these returns ebay and other sellers are getting.   Are regular people who send stuff to the US eg to relatives, friends etc also getting a high percentage of returns?  I haven't heard of a single incident.

 

When i first started adding COO and HS numbers to packages a few weeks ago,  i had to get it done at the Post Office.   The ladies that work there had no idea what i was talking about and it took them several minutes of coaching from me to figure out how to add them.  Flash forward a few weeks to now and i was just there having them add a couple more COO HS numbers.  I asked how many people are doing this.....they said nobody is.

 

This is a very busy Post Office, hundreds of packages per day.  So if all those packages many that are US bound,  are being sent without COO HS codes are they all getting rejected by US Customs?  Again, i haven't heard of a single incident and neither have the ladies who work at the Post Office.

 

So why are seller's packages getting such a high rejection rate?  Are they being targeted by US Customs?


For anyone sending a US-bound package at the post office (your typical non-business type people sending gifts, or small time business sellers not buying their postage online) there is no requirement to enter a "country of origin" on the post office computers. It's simply not a required field for the clerk to fill out when processing the transaction. The fields for CoO and HS code ARE there, as you've noted, but there is no requirement to fill them in and no directive from Canada Post to ask for that information either (which is why you encountered confusion from the clerks). Works the same way on SnapShip if you buy your labels online. Simply put: Canada Post does not believe this is an important piece of information to include on exports, so they don't require it to be filled in.

 

So, for all these packages they're just being sent with no CoO on the customs declaration. I would imagine they're all passing through customs and arriving just fine, simply because US CBP does not have the infrastructure/manpower to be opening every package and figuring out where the items are made. At least, I haven't noticed any RTS packages being sent back to the post office I work at, or customers coming in to complain. The ones that are clearly marked with "China" on the customs declaration are easy for CBP to identify and refuse.

 

I would almost recommend people sending things made in China via Canada Post to leave the country of origin field blank, as there's less likely to be an issue (one would think). But I can't recall if eBay labels (or other third-party label printing platforms) have that as a required field when filling out the information? And of course, they could also just start refusing anything without a CoO specified just as easily as they are refusing the China ones.

 

It's a huge clusterf***. I just stopped sending anything made in China to the States entirely until this is all figured out. I just wish my non-made in China items weren't getting caught in these border delays.

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Yes these are shipped through eBay 

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i keep my packaing as simple as possible too, to look like just a regular joe sent it, not a business.  But how do you avoid printed shipping labels when sending with Canada Post?  You have to use a QR barcode for the electronic customs information (it's been that way for about 4 or 5 years now) and that automatically prints out a shipping label, at he post office, that they put on the package.

 

If regular people are not getting their packages returned simply because they are not putting COO HS codes on them i suspect that will change soon.  That will be seen as a big loophole (which it is) and closed down...would also be the obvious way for true smugglers to operate.

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"This is a very busy Post Office, hundreds of packages per day.  So if all those packages many that are US bound,  are being sent without COO HS codes are they all getting rejected by US Customs?  Again, i haven't heard of a single incident and neither have the ladies who work at the Post Office."

This reminds me of when the mandatory VAT taxes were first added to shipments to Europe. I had a long time (many years) buyer from Italy who made a fair size purchase and I was worried about her having just paid hefty taxes automatically charged by eBay (I think at the time was 22%) and I didn't want her to be hit again when package arrived in Italy so I had her package sent Tracked Package International with all the proper customs forms on label, relevant proof of VAT taxes paid, IOSS Number, etc. and her package took 4 months to get there!! (Good thing she was a patient sole and very kind person.)  Since we had tracking number she was abloe to track it down to customs and had been corresponding periodically with them and told business packages were sent to a different department and there was a backlog while this new process was being implemented and it hadn't been released yet. She told me next time "please do not use tracking, do not include any of the codes as packages" that this is what caused the excessive delay (guess it would have been okay if it looked like something from her cousin in Canada). It was as if any package with the codes went to a different place than those without and tracking of the package made it that much worse as it would show the steps which were required. I did send her a few more packages regular mail (no tracking, no codes attached, just a general customs desciption "Used/Vintage Barbies/Doll Clothes") and they made it through in 10 days. Now this was Italy and at the start of the mandatory VAT so things may have changed but that hangs heavy on my mind that the more on-top of it I tried to be, the worse it made things. This is why I stopped selling internationally (she may have been patient but others surely wouldn't I would have to send them the proper way. 

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I don't use electronic customs information. I take it to the post office and let them manually enter it in. You can't get any more low tech than that. Works every time. 

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Chit Chat says they see about 25 per cent of US-bound packages with China-made CoO are being returned. My personal experience is about that, too. But the scary part is I have a US-made item that is also currently stuck at Customs in Chicago, and I have feeling it will be sent back. It doesn't make sense; looks like they don't care about the CoO after all. 

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This might be confirmation bias. 

 

I send all my packages with professionally printed labels and clean new packaging, and (knock on wood) I haven't had any trouble with hundreds of packages sent since this stuff began. 

 

Canada, USA, Indonesia, Mexico, and Denmark COI. 

 

Maybe it has more to do with the sorting center that your packages go through. I could be wrong, but my stuff doesn't seem to go through Chicago. It goes from my city to Montreal, then to New York. 

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I don't believe there is truth to the idea that if you make your package look like personal shipment that it won't be returned, but to answer your question you could print your labels using eBay's label software and print them with an inkjet printer. Then tape them to the package. I would not advise that, since it is a waste of tape and Canada Post gives out free jackets for labels, but if your goal was to make your package look like someone who doesn't ship thems shipped it, that would be how.

 

A megatank inkjet printer is less than $200 and at least the one I own included enough ink to print thousands of sheets. 

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there definitely appears to be some sort of issue with Chichago ICS.  Both packages i mentioned a few posts above are still stuck in Customs.  6 days and 7 days respectively with no updates.  Both low value Lego sets going to two different buyers.  No sign of them being returned to me, yet,  just no movement at all.

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It's definetely a mixed bag. My last sale was to a buyer in California. Sent via CP, and the usual port of entry to the US is customs in Chicago.

 

But..This one was sent first to Miami (according to tracking), then was redirected to Chicago, got customs clearance there, and finally was sent its way to Cali. All this in the spam of a week (which is really fast, IMO). The buyer got his package in exactly 8 days since payment.

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That's seemed to be my experience with the one package, it was always in transit to next  and then showed up in Mississauga

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@fergua3 wrote:

there definitely appears to be some sort of issue with Chichago ICS.  Both packages i mentioned a few posts above are still stuck in Customs.  6 days and 7 days respectively with no updates.  Both low value Lego sets going to two different buyers.  No sign of them being returned to me, yet,  just no movement at all.


My first thought as well @fergua3 . 

 

FWIW, my last 3 CP shipments to the US from AB - all tracked packets to eastern states, one right next door to Chicago -  ended up doing the grand old west coast USPS tour before heading east. So far, no delivery delays; just significantly longer distance with extra hops...which is something I've only noticed when the Chicago hub was under stress and/or backlogged. 

 

Of course, that wouldn't explain the blacked out address and return instead of rerouting...

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It's 100% the Chicago border crossing. So anyone in Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario are being affected. I haven't had anything returned yet (nothing I have sent is Made in China), but my average time in customs is 8 business days on the past four shipments I've sent to the States. Once they eventually get released by customs they're delivered very quickly, within 1-2 days.

 

I've also experienced the mysterious Miami ICS scan but I think it's just a processing error and it didn't actually go to Miami. In my case I had a scan at Chicago, then Miami, then Chicago again before it was released from Chicago ICS. It's possible they may be rerouting parcels from Chicago to Miami to help reduce the backlog, but who knows.

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hm......well that's hopeful i guess.   I can stomach a delay (i've already warned buyers of possible delays prior to shipping) but i take rejection personally...ha. 

 

Anyway, nothing i can do about it except wait.....and be glad i'm done with online selling at the end of the month.

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I have about 35 go through New York in June with no issues.

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"It's 100% the Chicago border crossing. So anyone in Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario are being affected. "...

and I beg to differ on that conspiracy theory!

My most recent USA bound package had no issues in Chicago; albeit that was beginning of June...

Shipped via Canada Post Tracked Packet with shipping label processed through eBay, was put into the mail system June 3rd....spent less than 24 hours in Chicago and was delivered to the recipient in Illinois on June 9th...

 

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@mrdutch1001 wrote:

"It's 100% the Chicago border crossing. So anyone in Saskatchewan, Manitoba, and Ontario are being affected. "...

and I beg to differ on that conspiracy theory!

My most recent USA bound package had no issues in Chicago; albeit that was beginning of June...

Shipped via Canada Post Tracked Packet with shipping label processed through eBay, was put into the mail system June 3rd....spent less than 24 hours in Chicago and was delivered to the recipient in Illinois on June 9th...


Based on personal experience, and the anecdotes I've seen elsewhere, this started happening on or around June 6-8. I also have items shipped June 3rd that made it through just fine. Since June 6th, everything I've sent has been delayed.

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