eIS and the Lettermail "Problem"

ecgt
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For years a large part of our business model has relied on shipping items such as DVDs, certain video games, comic books, CDs and other items that are eligible for Lettermail within Canada. Said items would be shipped  using Tracked Packet to the USA or Internationally.

 

The Lettermail method of shipping within Canada is extremely cost effective to the extent that many items are only competitive when shipped via Lettermail. 

 

Since eIS uses the domestic shipping on file when an international buyer places an order, we now have a problem. The eIS program requires that we use a trackable method. Lettermail is non-trackable. More than a third of our items only offer Lettermail as the domestic option.

 

We were enrolled in the eIS program on October 9 and made our first sale this morning (a Blu-ray). Unfortunately, the item in question offers Lettermail as the domestic shipping option. We charged $6 for Lettermail in this case. All of the tracked shipping methods available to us generally cost $18 or more for an item of this size.

 

We aren't willing to eat that cost, so we decided to cancel the transaction. This is not something we want to do because if we start cancelling transactions over and over it could lead to an account suspension.

We decided to check the eBay Shipping Label prices for the item before cancelling the transaction and were met with a potentially good surprise.

Shipping the Blu-ray from Halifax to the Mississauga hub via eIS is only $8 for Canada Post Expedited Parcel with eBay Shipping Labels for the item in question (in this case a parcel weighing 200 g in a 22 cm x 16 cm x 12 cm box). Knowing this, we are going to eat the $2 and give this a shot.

We checked to see what it would cost to ship a record using a record mailer (600 g in a 33 cm x 33 cm x 4 cm box) and the Canada Post Expedited Parcel price came up as $9.

The UPS prices were also less than expected, but were several dollars more than the Canada Post options in the tests we did.

If this is accurate, then it suggests that eBay and Canada Post (as well as UPS) have made deals on cheaper shipping to the hub and haven't made an announcement as of yet.

We realize that we are among the earliest invitees to the program. Has anyone else had a sale via eIS yet? If so, what is your experience in terms of shipping prices to the hub using eBay Shipping Labels?

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I pay CANADIAN taxes not American ones, or Hungarian ones, or UK ones. 

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I just had both of my shipments to the hub delivered with Chit Chats on the 20th of November with start dates of Nov 14 & 16th so made good time. Not seeing any additional charges yet but will advise if any show up.

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I shipped a lettermail order from MB to the hub on the 7th. It arrived at the hub on the 19th. Not sure if it actually took that long or just sat at the hub waiting to be processed. All my tracked parcels have taken a day or less to get a new label and sent out. Most of my Expedited lite parcels take 3 business days to get to the hub. Expedited lite is finally charging me the proper $8.xx now instead of the $11.xx, which was the same as regular Expedited.

 

So far DHL has been the main shipping method used by the hub for my parcels. 1 Asendia so far. Average delivery time from the hub to the customer is 7 business days. So my orders from central Canada to the US take around 10 business days to get delivered.

 

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Why don't you use Expedited Lite ?

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affirmative to the first sentence of your last paragraph.  I am just learning about this thing now.  I havent read any further but my prediction is that it will be resolved one of two ways:  CPC will get so many of these gddmed things at the Mississauga depot responsible for this address they will have to bag and card them or they will just RTS them all.  Its probably easier for them to bag and card all the untracked lettermail items being sent here than it is to RTS sticker every single one but we shall see.  

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omg BAHAHAHAHAHA 

 

CLASSIC

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I am MURDERING myself laughing about this right now

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@jtg204 wrote:

I get there from "Overview" then a link in Shortcuts to Site Preferences, and then Shipping Preferences is just under Business Policies (in my screen shot).  There will be a section at the top if you can enrol or are enroled,  or missing if it hasn't rolled out to you yet.


@reallynicestamps 

@jtg204 

How it looks when it's not there.

 

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I havent done this in a long time but I never had a problem getting them removed.  I had some real clueless ones, including one who lost a gasket because I shipped them the item they ordered not the one they wanted (true story)

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hurray for Canada!! woo-woo!!! hahaha

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I vote we all start doing like US sellers do to us and charge them mininum $25-30 shipping for every low cost item under 200 grams.  

 

My question is why dont we as Canadian buyers have the option to have specific relevant items shipped media mail to the US hub for a lower price.  No no no, Johnny Appleseed needs some extra undeserved dough grifted from me to pad his bottom line, but canadian guy, sorry, different standards for you - Uncle Sam and all his friends are too busy kneading their hands and feeling sorry for themselves about their expensive groceries to accept responsibility for the fact theyve made a living, breathing, in the flesh train wreck the president of their country.

 

With the swiftness of roll out of this they had to have been bleeding millions of dollars in lost sales to have to come up with this so fast.  Not defending it but I understand why there are *ahem* many components which appear to have been implemented with very little forethought or as folks say with little understanding of the uniqueness of the Canadian seller and market experience.  

 

On another platform I have discovered the joys of ordering from Sweden, I can get stuff intl tracked for less than $15, its totally awesome.  

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@reallynicestamps wrote:

@jtg204 

Thanks for the guidance. I'm not enrolled.

And it looks as if stamps are not eligible in any case.


@reallynicestamps 

Unfortunately neither is currency. Sent one on Thursday to Spain via Intl tracked (base rate) VAT Paid. Item shows as departed Mtl already. Unsure if eIS Canada can match that for processing speed and cost. 

 

Has anyone had any eIS Intl (non USA) delivered? What was total transit time?

Has anyone had any eiS USA delivered. What was total transit time?

 

Very critical to factor in where item was shipped from...GTA or the Canadian outback!!! Was it letter or a tracked service to hub?

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the same reason why at Oilers games when the Leafs are in town, the number of Leafs fans in the stands nearly outnumbers the number of Oilers fans.  As much as we dont want to admit it especially out here, Canada = Toronto. 

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here's one I had delivered via the hub to the US

Shipped to our hub

Mon, Nov 3


Arrived at our hub

 


Shipped to buyer

 


Out for delivery

 


Delivered

Wed, Nov 19

Shipment history

  1. Hub to Buyer (Step 3)
    DHL eCommerce America: EECA023419680US0
  2. Wed, Nov 19
    1:52pm
    DELIVERED
    NORTH BEND, WA
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@darak10 wrote:

I vote we all start doing like US sellers do to us and charge them mininum $25-30 shipping for every low cost item under 200 grams.  

Have you checked shipping rates on the USPS website lately? If a seller is using USPS counter rates to calculate their shipping charges, the cheapest they can quote for a lightweight packet to Canada is 25 loonies at current exchange rates.

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@lotzofuniquegoodies wrote:


Unfortunately neither is currency. Sent one on Thursday to Spain via Intl tracked (base rate) VAT Paid. Item shows as departed Mtl already. Unsure if eIS Canada can match that for processing speed and cost. 

 

Has anyone had any eIS Intl (non USA) delivered? What was total transit time?

Has anyone had any eiS USA delivered. What was total transit time?

 

Very critical to factor in where item was shipped from...GTA or the Canadian outback!!! Was it letter or a tracked service to hub?


One example for me is a book going to Portugal. Shipped November 4th, arrived at the Hub November 6th. Processed by Ascendia November 7th (a Friday). Left either the Hub or Ascendia November 11th. Arrived in the Netherlands November 17th. Arrived in Portugal November 20th. Delivered November 21st.

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@flipistics wrote:

@lotzofuniquegoodies wrote:


Unfortunately neither is currency. Sent one on Thursday to Spain via Intl tracked (base rate) VAT Paid. Item shows as departed Mtl already. Unsure if eIS Canada can match that for processing speed and cost. 

 

Has anyone had any eIS Intl (non USA) delivered? What was total transit time?

Has anyone had any eiS USA delivered. What was total transit time?

 

Very critical to factor in where item was shipped from...GTA or the Canadian outback!!! Was it letter or a tracked service to hub?


One example for me is a book going to Portugal. Shipped November 4th, arrived at the Hub November 6th. Processed by Ascendia November 7th (a Friday). Left either the Hub or Ascendia November 11th. Arrived in the Netherlands November 17th. Arrived in Portugal November 20th. Delivered November 21st.


@flipistics 

 

Did you do a direct comparison eIS vs CP Tracked costs?

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@lotzofuniquegoodies wrote:

@flipistics wrote:

@lotzofuniquegoodies wrote:


Unfortunately neither is currency. Sent one on Thursday to Spain via Intl tracked (base rate) VAT Paid. Item shows as departed Mtl already. Unsure if eIS Canada can match that for processing speed and cost. 

 

Has anyone had any eIS Intl (non USA) delivered? What was total transit time?

Has anyone had any eiS USA delivered. What was total transit time?

 

Very critical to factor in where item was shipped from...GTA or the Canadian outback!!! Was it letter or a tracked service to hub?


One example for me is a book going to Portugal. Shipped November 4th, arrived at the Hub November 6th. Processed by Ascendia November 7th (a Friday). Left either the Hub or Ascendia November 11th. Arrived in the Netherlands November 17th. Arrived in Portugal November 20th. Delivered November 21st.


@flipistics 

 

Did you do a direct comparison eIS vs CP Tracked costs?


No, I'm only shipping international via eIS right now. At some point I may ship some things directly, but not until at least after Christmas and after the Canada Post situation is officially dealt with.

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@flipistics 

 

Just from some recent testing consistently seeing Intl tracked cheaper vs eIS. Intl tracked in scheme of things just has lower shipping costs from my location so cuts less into my bottom line plus arrives in 1/3rd the time. 

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I got an email from Canada Post saying they have come to an agreement and will publish the details at a later date.

when you say you are only shipping via els...you must have put no international shipping on your listings...because it looks like I'm getting some US buyers who are getting things directly and some who are getting them through the els....I don't have a choice in the matter

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