Oh, duh futuretech_liquidations, and some won't be here in another two years to read the thread that will then be four years old. My point was that I two year old thread should not be dragged up again. What's yours? The original OP is no longer here to read either of the recent responses.
Also, never ship to an UNCOMFIRMED, PO BOX Address or a THIRD PARTY ADDRESS - doing so, you will get scammed 75% of the time if not more.
I'm curious where this statistic comes from. In more than six years of selling with two major ID's and more than 10,000 transactions, I have been scammed once shipping to an unconfirmed address. I also ship by small packet and first class mail routinely. Maybe the advice you offer is solely limited to your category of product and you might consider including that in your comments.
While I don't think I would council sellers to routinely ship to unconfirmed addresses, I also would not fabricate doom-and-gloom statistics to scare them off of it either. Just stick to commenting (without the embellishment) on what Paypal's policy actually is and let sellers make their own intelligent choices. Few sellers are likely to ship with signature service for a $50 item.
Bill treasure-pot
Also, never ship to an UNCOMFIRMED, PO BOX Address or a THIRD PARTY ADDRESS - doing so, you will get scammed 75% of the time if not more.
I'm curious where this statistic comes from. In more than six years of selling with two major ID's and more than 10,000 transactions, I have been scammed once shipping to an unconfirmed address. I also ship by small packet and first class mail routinely. Maybe the advice you offer is solely limited to your category of product and you might consider including that in your comments.
While I don't think I would council sellers to routinely ship to unconfirmed addresses, I also would not fabricate doom-and-gloom statistics to scare them off of it either. Just stick to commenting (without the embellishment) on what Paypal's policy actually is and let sellers make their own intelligent choices. Few sellers are likely to ship with signature service for a $50 item.
Bill treasure-pot
... But apparently you consider it your classroom and it's OK on your part to distribute arbitrary and ridiculous statistics. Have I got that right? I'd still like to know where you saw that figure of 75% or more. Not from Geraldo, I hope.
I have read and reread your post and no where do you mention that all addresses shipped to internationally are unconfirmed (other than the USA and the UK). That being the case, your council seems to be never to ship to those countries as doing so, you will get scammed 75% of the time if not more. If that is truly your suggestion, and people were to heed it, eBay sellers should limit their sales to three countries. Or if you do sell elsewhere, use BidPay because there are no chargebacks or Certified Money orders which may or may not be vaild because it is the number one form of cheque fraud used today.
I won't deny that scams and fraud exist on eBay, as they do in the brick and mortar world however, IMO, unbelievable statistics do more harm than a simple warning of the risks involved in shipping internationally. Who knows? Some unsuspecting seller might happen on your fraud alert and decide that selling internationally is not a good idea.
I'm guessing you don't buy into eBay's core value assumption the "people are basically good" as you certainly seem to suggest that there is a con-artist behind every bush.
And, by the way, my personal limited exposure to fraud is because I manage my risks by using the tools that are available and has little to do with the value of the goods you might see me selling today. You have been around long enough to know that sellers frequently can change the nature of their product offerings.
Bill treasure-pot
I have read and reread your post and no where do you mention that all addresses shipped to internationally are unconfirmed (other than the USA and the UK). That being the case, your council seems to be never to ship to those countries as doing so, you will get scammed 75% of the time if not more. If that is truly your suggestion, and people were to heed it, eBay sellers should limit their sales to three countries. Or if you do sell elsewhere, use BidPay because there are no chargebacks or Certified Money orders which may or may not be vaild because it is the number one form of cheque fraud used today.
I won't deny that scams and fraud exist on eBay, as they do in the brick and mortar world however, IMO, unbelievable statistics do more harm than a simple warning of the risks involved in shipping internationally. Who knows? Some unsuspecting seller might happen on your fraud alert and decide that selling internationally is not a good idea.
I'm guessing you don't buy into eBay's core value assumption the "people are basically good" as you certainly seem to suggest that there is a con-artist behind every bush.
And, by the way, my personal limited exposure to fraud is because I manage my risks by using the tools that are available and has little to do with the value of the goods you might see me selling today. You have been around long enough to know that sellers frequently can change the nature of their product offerings.
Bill treasure-pot
We recently had a person from the UK try to scam us for 10 laptops - sent payment via CERTIFIED MONEY ORDER which ended up coming back as FAKE 28days later. Thanks to our bank advising us to wait 30days for the cheque to clear before shipping otherwise we would be out US$6,000 plus.
I think you're bank should have advised you that there is NO SUCH THING as a "certified money order".
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I think you're bank should have advised you that there is NO SUCH THING as a "certified money order".
"What else could I do? I had no trade so I became a peddler" - Lazarus Greenberg 1915
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