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08-02-2005 08:48 AM
Sold an expensive collectible item for $692. Something was fishy about the sale from the get-go. Buyer had all the classic signs of someone who wasnt serious - low feedback (13), asked a ridiculous question in the dying minutes of the auction and still bid before I could answer, already had one neg for bidding and backing out, and bought similar items (in the same field) but for MUCH less money. (Oddly enough, I can distinctly remember saying to myself I should remove this guy in case he wins - always go with your gut feeling on big transactions)
The Paypal payment type is instant. The item was shipped Xpresspost fully insured for $800 CAD. Is signature required for this? I ve forgot. Buyer emails and admits delivery, but comes up with the obvious " Im not happy with item" lie and wants 'full' refund stated just like that with no explanation why or anything. He took two weeks to pay initially and said he was on "vacation" - I had suspected it was BS - all the telltale signs he obviously didnt have the money and had to drum it up somehow. Probably thought ' Ill pay and then just ask for it back'. Well sorry, jack. Im tired of getting pushed around. Selling this item again, I'm sure I would'nt even get within $150 of the last sale.
Any how I smell a charge back coming on. I havent answered him back yet. How about this scenario? - Fully colse down the paypal account now. The current Credit Card I have on file with Paypal is invalid - it expired and I have two new ones since then. I didnt update it on purpose, thank goodness. The bank account I have on file with Paypal is a US one that I could easily close (it has no money in it) and re open another one all done online in minutes. All avenues to my wallet would effectively be shut down. Could this possibly close off all routes to a chargeback? I could sign up with Paypal again in couple of months, it really doesnt matter to me personally. The type of customers I have dont mind sending Money orders, and I survived for years this way beofre starting to accept Paypal about a year ago (years ago I also even set up multiple names on ebay and all have good FB just to prevent retalitation from sales gone wrong)
Ya I know it all sounds drastic, and I've given refunds before, but this time I've just had it. Would this work?
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08-02-2005 11:26 AM
So again if you have a chance to stop the chargeback "Go for it !!"
Frederic
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08-02-2005 06:12 PM
The only screw-over comes when you do all the above and the buyer does a chargeback through his/her credit card (assuming the original payment was made by cc). The CC company will always side with the buyer if no signature was acquired. Paypal will never take the loss, so they will do a chargeback on you despite your proof of delivery.
Lincoln
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08-02-2005 08:51 PM
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08-02-2005 09:33 PM
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08-03-2005 11:53 AM
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08-03-2005 01:32 PM
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08-03-2005 07:15 PM
So ellingtons, if you have a way to avoid being charge back by Paypal, go for it....it's your money and you work hard for to earn it!!!
I am fully for you!!!
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08-03-2005 07:50 PM
Cheers,
Ernie.
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08-04-2005 02:22 AM
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08-04-2005 11:03 AM
:-) LOL!
He finally backed down. Damn, after almost 8 years on ebay, I swear I could be a psycologist for sniffing out the quacks. I sized him up, figured he was young, and inexperienced and decided to use the 'bad cop' routine and it actually worked! Now all I have to do is wait for him to stab me in the back 2 months from now when I'm not looking 😉 Josh
For those interested, Check out my long-winded exchange where I had my feathers ruffled:
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I'm very unhappy with your item & would very much like to return it, for a full refund. The reason being, it likes like a total reproduction. I mean the chrome looks brand new, the parts all look repaired & replaced, therefore, not making the lighter a vintage piece from the era of the 30's or 40's. Please contact me a.s.a.p. to discuss refund options
From: "ttt ttt" <----------->
To: ----------------
Subject: RE: Refund
Date: Wed, 03 Aug 2005 08:22:46 -0400
This must be a joke, but I certainly aint laughing. To even suggest such an utterly ridiculous thing to me is not only insulting, but shows that you lack even the slightest knowledge of vintage Ronson's, lighters or this field in general. I have been a collector my entire life, and and a dealer for over 20 years with a government registered business. I have sold countless lighters and high end collectibles. I have NEVER sold a fake item EVER on ebay. This lighter comes directly from an estate of an original owner and is completely vintage top to bottom. Without question. Period. Anyone who's ever seen a touch tip would know that immediately. Of course the condition looks good - it was well taken care of and cleaned. What's more likely, is you either couldnt afford this or never were a serious buyer in the first place and are just trying to get your money back. You already have a neg for backing out of a deal. I operate this business on my own time, and this is not a store where people try to make frivilous returns. If you were sent the wrong item or something that is a different story, but this item is exactly as described in the auction, was delivered on time and safely in good condition. If you really don't want it, or cant afford to keep it, then you are more than welcome to sell it again yourself on ebay. Even though I shouldn't, I'll even allow you to copy my pictures and description if needed, but dont try to give me some crazy excuse of me selling fakes, as if I dont know what I'm selling.
From: "----------" <------------>
To: ----------------------
Subject: RE: Refund
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 07:17:07 -0400
I would rather send the item back to you & receive my full refund right away. If it's possible? Again, I'm very unhappy with your item. Please reply. (Notice him weakening)
From: "ttt ttt" <------------------>
To: -------------------
Subject: RE: Refund
Date: Thu, 04 Aug 2005 08:36:57 -0400
Look, I'm trying to be nice about this, but lets be realistic. Firstly the item is genuine as is everything I sell - see my feedback. Second, This auction was up for an entire week - I had displayed large, very clear pictures for any potential buyer to make up their minds, so theres no way you could say you didnt know what you were getting. Take responsibility for your actions. You bid and won, its yours. Not to mention, The item cost $19.95 just to be featured on ebay, over $30 in ebay auction ending fees and another $20 in paypal fees, plus our time and effort. Like I said, youre free to sell it again yourself if you cant afford to keep it, but I'm not running a 'try it on' and return it service.
O.k... I've decided to keep the item, it is a beautiful lighter, but I just wanted to make sure the item is definitely authentic. I will leave positive feedback on your ebay. Hopefully, you will do the same for me. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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Josh
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08-04-2005 04:32 PM
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08-04-2005 06:53 PM
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08-04-2005 11:34 PM
I actually was a 'customer service rep' or 'sales engineer' or whatever they're calling it these days, and I got fired from that unholy nightmare of a job, no kidding.
But Like Russell Crowe always says: "Let he who is without sin cast the first phone"
Josh
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08-05-2005 12:06 AM
