Do not like Canada post Rural Delivery changes

So I live in a Rural Area called holtyre and now everything ships direct to Toronto before being sorted and shipped to destination. Someone 1 hr away now has to have there parcel go 8 hrs away then 9 hrs back and it will be 2 days before it even starts on it's trip back .. 

Specially because it already takes me an average of 2 business days to ship this will mean almost 4 business days before parcel starts to go to it's destination..

 

Boo to that change ..

 

Also can anyone explain to me how making my parcel do  1200 kms instead of 70kms is going to save Canada post money?

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hey, you are getting your moneys worth out of the fuel surcharge

 

Canadian gov works in miracle ways!!

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@brandeentertainment wrote:

Also can anyone explain to me how making my parcel do  1200 kms instead of 70kms is going to save Canada post money?


Spoke & Hub

 

Pioneered in the 70's by FedEx and now used around the world......

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spoke-hub_distribution_paradigm

 

Saves Billions of Dollars every year in facility and labour costs which far outweigh extra transit costs.

 

 



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OP- if most of your sales are to your own area, wouldn't it make more sense to offer Cash on Pickup, rather than slower postal delivery?

Otherwise, once your parcels reach the Hub, they move along quickly.

 

My BIL, who owns a micro-distillery, has a similar problem with BCLiquor Board which insists that he ship to Vancouver before his product is distributed in BC. This means his local pub cannot buy directly from him (he finds that basically understandable) but must buy gin that has had two ferry rides to Victoria, another to Vancouver, trucked to the BCLB, stamped, then back to Vancouver, to the ferry, to Victoria, to Nanaimo, to the ferry, to Denholm Island, to the other ferry and back home to Hornby.

Which is why he sells to Alberta instead.

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When I was in Whistler BC recently, the local PO Office (Canada Post) has two identical red mailboxes outside the door. One was marked for local mail and the other for Canada. So it is possible to "pre-sort" the mail by the users of the system for local sorting???? I assume this is the purpose of the local red box. Now Whistler is very small and olny has one Post Office as far as I know.

 

I used to see these dual mailboxes in the past but not recently. Where I do not remember other than Whistler above.

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No my sales are not local I live in a town with a population of about 40 people and 1 billion trees.. I am not even on google earth and have to drive to a nearby town to ship my items out ...

 

I will just have to put a ATTENTION buyers in my listings .. I am sure with the dsr system this will kill my account till the point i am closed but only time will tell .. I have whethered a million storms so what is one more LOL...

 

My issue is 50% of my sales are to Quebec so that will hurt but for the rest of my sales it will make it quicker for the out west sales etc..

 

My big issues is i don't speak French so it is hard to explain to them why it takes so long ... Time to take some french lessons i guess it wouldn't hurt considering I am French maybe after 30 years i should learn to speak the language of my heritage ...

 

**bleep** you Canada post LOL

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@reallynicestamps wrote:

OP- if most of your sales are to your own area, wouldn't it make more sense to offer Cash on Pickup, rather than slower postal delivery?

Otherwise, once your parcels reach the Hub, they move along quickly.

 

My BIL, who owns a micro-distillery, has a similar problem with BCLiquor Board which insists that he ship to Vancouver before his product is distributed in BC. This means his local pub cannot buy directly from him (he finds that basically understandable) but must buy gin that has had two ferry rides to Victoria, another to Vancouver, trucked to the BCLB, stamped, then back to Vancouver, to the ferry, to Victoria, to Nanaimo, to the ferry, to Denholm Island, to the other ferry and back home to Hornby.

Which is why he sells to Alberta instead.


Not exactly. ALL alcohol in Canada has to go through a bonded warehouse. BCLB is in Vancouver. For Alberta, the government mandated and controlled warehouse is in St Alberta known as Connect Logistics. That is overseen by The Alberta Gaming and Liquor Commission (AGLC).

 

Alberta is not, never has been, never will be "private".

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@pocomocomputing wrote:

When I was in Whistler BC recently, the local PO Office (Canada Post) has two identical red mailboxes outside the door. One was marked for local mail and the other for Canada. So it is possible to "pre-sort" the mail by the users of the system for local sorting???? I assume this is the purpose of the local red box. Now Whistler is very small and olny has one Post Office as far as I know.

 

I used to see these dual mailboxes in the past but not recently. Where I do not remember other than Whistler above.


Before I left Victoria 2 years ago, they had installed these "dual" mailboxes all over the city -- I think it was in 2010 when the boxes first appeared.

 

There was a bit of a backlash at the time, but people got used to the idea.  It was ostensibly for the same reason, i.e. to separate local mail from mail going elsewhere.  If I recall correctly the sorting was actually done in Vancouver, even for mail going to VanIsle destinations, the logic of which I could never quite grasp, but I suppose (as 'recped' indicated) there was a bulk savings in handling that offset all those ferry rides.  

 

Fortunately here in Nova Scotia we have a nice compact province and everything goes to Halifax first, which is pretty much centrally located, so I imagine CP saves some money here that they lose in serving the far-flung towns in places like BC and Ontario.  Frankly, when I consider the meagre population of this country and the distances that have to be covered, I'm surprised they are still able to do it at all. 

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@reallynicestamps wrote:

[...] two ferry rides to Victoria, another to Vancouver, trucked to the BCLB, stamped, then back to Vancouver, to the ferry, to Victoria, to Nanaimo, to the ferry, to Denholm Island, to the other ferry and back home to Hornby.

Which is why he sells to Alberta instead.


Did you mean "Denman Island"?  Can't say I recall a Denholm Island in the area -- Hornby and Denman are close to each other, so that kind of island-hopping would make sense.  

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@mr.elmwood wrote:

@reallynicestamps wrote:

OP- if most of your sales are to your own area, wouldn't it make more sense to offer Cash on Pickup, rather than slower postal delivery?

Otherwise, once your parcels reach the Hub, they move along quickly.

 

My BIL, who owns a micro-distillery, has a similar problem with BCLiquor Board which insists that he ship to Vancouver before his product is distributed in BC. This means his local pub cannot buy directly from him (he finds that basically understandable) but must buy gin that has had two ferry rides to Victoria, another to Vancouver, trucked to the BCLB, stamped, then back to Vancouver, to the ferry, to Victoria, to Nanaimo, to the ferry, to Denholm Island, to the other ferry and back home to Hornby.

Which is why he sells to Alberta instead.


Not exactly. ALL alcohol in Canada has to go through a bonded warehouse. BCLB is in Vancouver. For Alberta, the government mandated and controlled warehouse is in St Alberta known as Connect Logistics. That is overseen by The Alberta Gaming and Liquor Commission (AGLC).

 

Alberta is not, never has been, never will be "private".


Not exactly.

Many parts of the liquor industry in Alberta are privatized and have been seen 1993/94. Connect Logistics which is a private company does operate warehouses in St. Albert and Edmonton and is overseen by AGLC as you said. However, they distribute hard alcohol, wine and imported beer and do not distribute domestic beer. Much of the domestic beer in western Canada is distributed by Brewers Distribution Limited which is owned by Labatts and Molson. Many other brewers use BDL as a distribution center but they are not required to use them.

 

In Alberta all retail liquor stores are privately owned. Those who are licensed by the AGLC such as restaurants, can purchase their beer and alcohol directly from the private liquor stores if their volume isn't enough to purchase from the large warehouses.

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Regarding the dual mailboxes...the ones here disappeared a few months ago but as far as I know there is still a sorting center in this city so I'm not sure if going to a single mailbox affected us. But now I'm curious and will have to find out if it did affect our mail service.

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"In Alberta all retail liquor stores are privately owned."

 

When visiting my sister in Edmonton a few months ago, we were surprised to notice so many liquor stores.  They seem to be at every corner. Looking at government statistics, it also seems that alcohol consumption in AB is above the national average.

 

Is there a direct correlation between privately owned liquor stores and higher consumption?  Or is it a coincidence?

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@pierrelebel wrote:

"In Alberta all retail liquor stores are privately owned."

 

When visiting my sister in Edmonton a few months ago, we were surprised to notice so many liquor stores.  They seem to be at every corner. Looking at government statistics, it also seems that alcohol consumption in AB is above the national average.

 

Is there a direct correlation between privately owned liquor stores and higher consumption?  Or is it a coincidence?


There is certainly more access here. Before privatization there were 3 Alberta gov't liquor stores in this city. Now there are at least 5 times that.

As far as higher consumption being related to privatization....I'm not sure. But according to the following chart, Alberta is slightly above the national average and their consumption per capita is less than in Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Quebec, BC and the Territories. Are any of those provinces privatized?

http://www.statcan.gc.ca/daily-quotidien/130411/t130411a003-eng.htm

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There has never been a correlation between price, availability, and consumption. 35 years in the business and that was never a factor.

 

Price of alcohol in Alberta is government controlled through a minimum wholesale price as set by the Alberta government. A few years back, about 5 or so, the Alberta gov't wanted more revenues, so, they increased the wholesale price of alcohol.

 

Retailers and distribution is in private hands. Retailers can sell for what ever price they like after they have purchased at the government set wholesale price. When they raised their prices, they became, with the exception of NL, I believe, the highest overall prices in Canada.

 

All of those stores are known as "buying your job". Profits are razor thin. Shop owners work their own stores basically like a sweatshop. They put in the 80 hours a week to make money. Then, a grocery store chain opens one and wipes out everyone for blocks around.

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Many business owners put in 80 hours a week in various industries. I am sure that the margins are slim but since 1994 I've only seen new liquor stores open and have never noticed one closing (perhaps some have closed and I haven't noticed) so they must be doing relatively well.

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Yes. We brought a bottle of the gin back from our last trip to BC. It's very good , although I prefer his vodka.

 

And thanks for the correction, Mr. Elmwood. I get caught up in all those ferry rides. 

 

It's Phrog Gin if anyone has $60 to spare on a bottle.

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How about.

 

Seller lives in Winnipeg.

 

Buyer lives in Fargo North Dakota.

 

The parcel goes to Toronto (actually Mississauga)  in the east, or Vancouver (Actually Richmond)  in the west,  and goes through customs and then to Fargo, ND

 

Total about 2500 miles....maybe more...

 

and Fargo ND is just a hop... ship... and a jump ... away from Winnipeg.....

 

Most likely   because of 9/11

 

 

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Things will change in large cities....

 

community mailboxes for all... even apartment blocks  where door after door delivery currently exists....

 

However, rural delivery  ... to individual mailboxes  at the side of the road will not change... atleast for now...

 

 

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