01-30-2013 01:58 PM
OTTAWA - A judge has ordered the feds to release documents to a commission probing the dark legacy of Canada's residential schools.
In December, Prime Minister Stephen Harper said the government would "let the courts decide" if documents related to the system could be released to the Truth and Reconciliation Commission (TRC).
"The commission is now seeking some documents, which the government believes are outside of its mandate ... for example, personal records of survivors given in confidence to the government," Harper said in the Commons prior to the holiday break.
In previous documents filed to the Ontario Superior Court, the TRC suggested Ottawa was hampering the retrieval of documents related to its mandate.
The commission continues to gather evidence of the church-run, government-funded residential school program that only formally ended in 1996 after 130 years. It's been since found responsible for widespread abuse of the Native children who were sent away from home to live at the schools.
The government offered an apology for the program in the House of Commons in June 2008.
http://www.lfpress.com/2013/01/30/feds-ordered-by-court-to-release-residential-school-documents
01-30-2013 02:14 PM
There are a lot of residential school survivors out there who do not even know who they are because they were too young when they were taken from their parents. The Cree woman I know whose mother was put into the residential school at age 5, the first thing the school did was make her take a white christian name. In her case she was able to remember and find her home but many children did not.
Taken away from mothers and fathers these children did not know or understand 'family'. They learned no lessons in family life being in the confines of the virtual jail they were in where many were punished and abused in various ways. These are the children who grew up to have children and they had no idea how to be parents, much less deal with what they themselves had gone through as children. So what was the result for many of them?....raising dysfunctional families themselves and escaping the pain of the past in booze or drugs. And what did the children of the parents who survived the schools learn from those parents?.....more dysfunction and confusion.
What residential schools did is not to one generation....it has affected multi generations. It was government approved and financed genocide with a cross over the front door.
Also there are many residential schools with hundreds of small crosses in cemeteries behind the schools. No names on the tombstones. No one knows who these children were or where they were from, or how and why they died. Hopefully these records will solve some of those mysteries.
Harper should not have waited for the courts. He should have said "let it be done"!
01-30-2013 02:24 PM
Harper should not have waited for the courts. He should have said "let it be done"!
so apparantly you think these people (all native) who gave their confidential information to the government should have no say in IF or WHEN it is released?
Maybe these people don't want this information made public! ever think of that ?
this sounds good from someone who does not want anybody to know who he is!
01-30-2013 02:47 PM
Maybe these people don't want this information made public! ever think of that ?
The release of this information was not sought by people who didn't want to know or who didn't want the information public. It is part of a long and painful process of healing. Some may never heal. Some may partially heal. Some have moved on already. That is human nature. Diferent people deal with the same situation differently.
The residential schools are a sad part of Canada's history. It was a misguided attempt by a government that thought that integration was the best path for the natives. It is essentially an attempt at psychological genocide. Many countries have tried to obliterate a portion of their population through genocide. The German's final solution for the Jews is probably the most extreme example. There are hundreds of others that include the great potato famine of Ireland - an attempt by the Brits to destroy the Irish by infecting their potato crops and wiping them out. There are thousands of others that range from a few hundred to millions.
To me the schools were an attempt to wipe out a race of people - not through death, but through brain washing and psychological warfare. Some physically died: most didn't. But, many died "inside". Death might have been simpler. What we did has, as Prior says, everlasting affects. No amount of money or apologies can change that. A person who has died inside is as good (or as bad) as dead. The body just hasn't realized it yet.
01-30-2013 03:21 PM
There was, and maybe still is, another attempt to absorb the natives into the population. That is foster care. It was not intentional, like residential schools, but it had similar results. As a foster parent for many years, we had many (probably a little over 100) native children. Some of these kids were up for adoption. Unfortunately, there were no "suitable" native families to adopt the children. So, they went to white families.
How much of an effort was made to find a native family? Not much, IMO. The natives need their own children's aid. They need to develop the resources to deal with their own kids. Nowadays, some bands have made attempts to get their kids back. Unfortunately, much of it is after the fact, causing heartbreak for the adoptive parents who suddenly lose "their" son or daughter.
As a foster parent, as a children's aid board member, I saw efforts by our agency to develop programs to deal with the family. Many agencies focussed on the children and ignored the parents. All you do is send the kid back to a home where the problem that got them into care still exists. A guarantee of failure.
We had a holistic approach. We had programs for mothers. We had programs for fathers. We had programs for the couple. And, we had programs for the family as a whole. In this way, you identified the problems (whether it be abuse, alcoholism, or simple lack of skills) and you worked to correct them. Unfortunately, govt. cutbacks made this approach very difficult. We kept it up for a few years, but I doubt that it still exists.
This is the kind of approach that the bands need to adopt. By doing that, they can keep the kids on the reserve, eliminate or reduce the problems that exist in the family, and eliminate some of the inherited problems from residential schools.
01-30-2013 03:21 PM
There was, and maybe still is, another attempt to absorb the natives into the population. That is foster care. It was not intentional, like residential schools, but it had similar results. As a foster parent for many years, we had many (probably a little over 100) native children. Some of these kids were up for adoption. Unfortunately, there were no "suitable" native families to adopt the children. So, they went to white families.
How much of an effort was made to find a native family? Not much, IMO. The natives need their own children's aid. They need to develop the resources to deal with their own kids. Nowadays, some bands have made attempts to get their kids back. Unfortunately, much of it is after the fact, causing heartbreak for the adoptive parents who suddenly lose "their" son or daughter.
As a foster parent, as a children's aid board member, I saw efforts by our agency to develop programs to deal with the family. Many agencies focussed on the children and ignored the parents. All you do is send the kid back to a home where the problem that got them into care still exists. A guarantee of failure.
We had a holistic approach. We had programs for mothers. We had programs for fathers. We had programs for the couple. And, we had programs for the family as a whole. In this way, you identified the problems (whether it be abuse, alcoholism, or simple lack of skills) and you worked to correct them. Unfortunately, govt. cutbacks made this approach very difficult. We kept it up for a few years, but I doubt that it still exists.
This is the kind of approach that the bands need to adopt. By doing that, they can keep the kids on the reserve, eliminate or reduce the problems that exist in the family, and eliminate some of the inherited problems from residential schools.
01-30-2013 03:23 PM
mikey, mikey, mikey.
To begin with the information about these people was taken when they were 'children'. It holds the information that a lot of them want to know about who they are in real life before the 'conquerors' came along and said "you can't be you anymore".
Secondly the information is being requested by the First Nations people themselves. I am sure that those who do not want to visit the past because of the pain, that their wishes will be respected by their own people. Not your choice or anyone else's to make.
As for the rest.... I told you where. Do you want me to do leave breadcumbs down the road?
Oh by the way....it's your turn.
Thank you puck for your insightful words in post 3.
01-30-2013 03:30 PM
Oops! Computer freeze up resulted in double post.
One of these days, I am going to learn to use this damned thing!
01-30-2013 03:32 PM
Ah yes, the 'foster care' story. Well you and your wife took 'care' of the children. Sadly many were taken into foster care or adopted out west or in rural communities and they became nothing more than child labour. (that happened to the family of my cousin's wife and not in some distant Province or way up north....it was just outside Parkhill)
So in addition to the residential school atrocities....we can add those children sent into what is basically slavery back then....some of whom had to try and survive both the schools and then the farms.
Slow genocide?.....yes.....wrapped in steel cross. Maybe that will be an answer to those who do not understand why the Native people want to stay together and protect themselves and their lands. They have already dealt with the other way. Those days are over and a new generation is taking up the feather.
01-30-2013 03:34 PM