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12-04-2016 11:49 AM
I live in Vancouver Canada, and I ordered something from the states on the 28th of october. 2 weeks pass and I get no updates on it, and I message the seller, who forgot to update the tracking number onto the order. The package was "In Transit to Destination" on the 31st of October, and never changed. Today I got notified it was delivered to an "ERLANGER, KY 41025" And the seller is requesting his refund back because it has been delivered, despite being delivered to the wrong side of the continent and in a different country. Any help would be appreciated. Here are the tracking details:
December 3, 2016 , 10:21 am | Delivered
| ERLANGER, KY 41025 |
| ||
December 3, 2016 , 8:58 am | Sorting Complete | ERLANGER, KY 41025 |
December 3, 2016 , 5:13 am | Arrived at Post Office | ERLANGER, KY 41018 |
December 3, 2016 , 3:03 am | Departed USPS Facility | CINCINNATI, OH 45234 |
December 2, 2016 , 9:39 pm | Arrived at USPS Destination Facility | CINCINNATI, OH 45234 |
October 31, 2016 , 11:18 am | In Transit to Destination | |
October 29, 2016 , 6:13 pm | Departed Post Office | WILLOW GROVE, PA 19090 |
October 29, 2016 , 11:18 am | Acceptance | WILLOW GROVE, PA 19090 |
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12-04-2016 01:33 PM - edited 12-04-2016 01:35 PM
You used the Global Shipping Program because your seller was enrolled in it.
Kentucky is the GSP hub. It must be 'delivered' there first since that is the location which will process it for the next leg of the journey -- to you.
Your seller should know this.
There is no need to panic, it is coming to you. You will be issued a new tracking number in time.
Am I to understand you were already refunded by the seller for Item Not Received?
He does need his money back for the item when it is delivered but I would ask ebay or Pitney Bowes to do this for him (or the carrier) since his carrier must have misplaced it en route. But this is his job to claim, not yours.
Either that, or he's feeding you some other tracking number.
At any rate, sit tight with your money until you actually receive the order you paid for. At that point, you two can talk.
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12-04-2016 01:36 PM
Was your item shipped by "International Priority Shipping via the Global Shipping Program"? If so, your item hasn't been shipped to the wrong place. Your seller (who probably didn't realize he was using this shipping method) shipped to a central hub in Kentucky operated by Pitney Bowes who should be coordinating its shipment out to Vancouver.
As far as a refund goes, go into your PayPal account and check your payment history. At the time you purchased this item, did you also get charged by Pitney Bowes (PBI) for their share of the shipping charge and for "import charges"? Were those fees refunded, and if so, did the seller refund those or did Pitney Bowes?
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12-04-2016 01:48 PM
Oh good point. It sounds as if the seller may or may not have known he was enrolled in the GSP. He would think her order had been delivered to its proper address since that is the address he would have for her, and he may have refunded the order from his own funds as opposed to processing it through the ebay and Pitney Bowes as part of the GSP.
At any rate, the seller needs to call ebay and get his act together, the buyer cannot do it for him.
Oh and to the OP, please don't cite this thread in your reply to the seller, I don't want some angry American seller coming after me for a perceived slight! Just tell them to check whether they enrolled in the GSP (he will find the answer is 'yes') and ask him to talk to ebay and/or Pitney Bowes about this dilemma. And that you'll let him know what you find in your package when it actually arrives to your address in Canada.
If you comes back with something that sounds fishy, bring it here again and we'll let you know if it sounds legit based on what we know about how this works.
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12-04-2016 02:52 PM - edited 12-04-2016 02:53 PM
@mjwl2006 wrote:
At any rate, the seller needs to call ebay and get his act together, the buyer cannot do it for him.
No question about that. In the meantime, though, we and the buyer need a better idea of what happened here so that we can advise accordingly and the buyer doesn't feel that (s)he's being taken for a ride.
I'm pretty sure I've heard of a couple of cases where an item has been shipped to the Global Shipping Center when the Global Shipping Program wasn't the shipping method in the listing (Yeah, weird, I know.), and we need to make sure this isn't one of those instances.
The fact that it took the item over a month to travel from Pennsylvania to Kentucky is also pretty strange, in my books.
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12-04-2016 02:55 PM
Another poster worked this out for buyers who have not yet received their GSP shipment.
TRACKING SYSTEM FOR GSP
It's not user friendly... But I found how to track your package via the global shipping program, once it gets to Canada you need to:
- Log on to eBay.ca
- Under the My eBay menu select Purchase History
- Under your orders find the specific order. It should have something like the following:
Estimated delivery Mon, Jan 11 - Thu, Jan 21
Tracking number: Tracking number UPAAB000000#########
- Click on the UPA number. This should open up a Shipment Details window, which should contain something like this:
This shipment has been transferred to CPC for delivery to the final destination # 70351#########
-Click on the Canada Post number to see where the Canada Post Tracking history and expected delivery
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12-04-2016 02:56 PM
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12-04-2016 03:00 PM
Well, with such a late order, a Paypal dispute might be in order.
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12-04-2016 03:27 PM
@marnotom! wrote:
.... The fact that it took the item over a month to travel from Pennsylvania to Kentucky is also pretty strange, in my books.
Welcome to the new restructured USPS ... lots of little black holes as they close and amalgamate sorting centers.
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12-04-2016 03:42 PM
@reallynicestamps wrote:Well, with such a late order, a Paypal dispute might be in order.
The original poster (as I read the message) already has the refund for the purchase.
Seller is asking for return of the refund since they see it as delivered (not realizing it's only halfway there).
No dispute required.
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12-04-2016 04:35 PM - edited 12-04-2016 04:36 PM
@mjwl2006 wrote:
The buyer needs to wait until she actually receives the order before doing anything meaningful with this.
At this point, we don't know if Pitney Bowes' portion of the payment was returned to the buyer. Even if the order never arrives, the buyer should be ensuring that they were indeed fully refunded.
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12-04-2016 06:14 PM
So Clear things up:
Yes I had already been refunded around the 18th after it had been in limbo for 2 weeks.
I did get a charge for Pitney Bowes in my Paypal for the shipping charges
The seller refunded the purchase, but not the shipping charges.
The seller today requested to me to return the refund to him when it was delivered to kentucky.
I have yet to get a new tracking number.
Thank-you everyone for your quick replies
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12-04-2016 06:26 PM - edited 12-04-2016 06:29 PM
Part of the 'shipping fee' that you paid to Pitney Bowes was also pre-paid duty or import charges which you should also get back if your item really never does arrive.
This thing with 'delivered to Kentucky' is definitely a Global Shipping Program identifier but it sounds like your seller doesn't know he was enrolled in the program.
If your item arrives safely within the next ten to 15 days (it shouldn't take much longer than that) you should return the money you were refunded back to the seller. You can't ethically keep both his stuff and his money even if the order was horribly late. (That was the postal carrier or courier's fault, not his.) Send money via Payal to the email address your original payment went to. Let your seller know it's coming.
If your order still doesn't ever actually arrive, you need to also get your shipping fees back and for that you'll have to go to your paypal transaction where you sent import fees to Pitney Bowes and also file an Item Not Received there. No merchandise means you get your WHOLE payment amount back. Remorse returns are, of course, a different thing. This was not that.
It sometimes take a few days for a new tracking number to be generated from the GSP hub.
Your situation is also further complicated by what appears to be a parcel that sat somewhere lost for a month. Which is strange but does happen.
Your situation was also made more complicated than need be by a seller who doesn't 'get' he was enrolled in the Global Shipping Program which we hear more often than you'd believe. Unless this was a colossal mix-up with your address and another order by some major ebay technical error. We heard reports of that but such things are extremely rare.
Nonetheless, when stuff goes missing en route to a buyer, it's the job of the seller to figure that out.
Good luck with a satisfactory resolution and come back if you need more advice. As you can see, we're all eager little helpful beavers here!
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12-04-2016 10:37 PM - edited 12-04-2016 10:39 PM
Definitely agree with pretty much all you've said here, MJ.
One possibility to consider, though, is that the seller may actually know that (s)he's enrolled in the Global Shipping Program and knows that his/her obligation to deliver the item to the buyer ends once the item reaches Kentucky. After that, delivery of the item's Pitney Bowes' responsibility.
They may not realize that there's still the issue of the shipping and import charges (assuming that the import charges were actually stated on the listing page and not buried in other charges) that Pitney Bowes has levied, though.
I suspect that if we were to find an eBay customer service rep who actually knew something about the GSP, they'd probably counsel on returning the seller's refund, the rationale being that the seller has done his or her job and should the item should not reach the buyer, they'd just have to file another(?) claim. This likely wouldn't work given how eBay operates, however.
This incident just highlights another weakness in the GSP given eBay's "infrastructure": Can a complete refund seamlessly be issued on an item that hasn't reached the Global Shipping Center in Kentucky? Doesn't look like it.
