Lawsuit Jeopardizes eBay's Shipping Calculator

By Ina Steiner
EcommerceBytes.com
December 26, 2013

 

eBay's shipping calculator is in violation of another company's patents, according to a lawsuit filed on December 20th. Paid Inc. is suing eBay for patent infringement, claiming it had demonstrated its online shipping calculator to eBay in 2001, over a year before eBay launched its own shipping calculator on the marketplace.

 

The outcome of the lawsuit is important for eBay and for its third-party sellers, since buyers would be handicapped if they could not determine the total costs of items for sale on the site. eBay also factors shipping costs into how it displays search results.

 

for more: http://www.ecommercebytes.com/cab/abn/y13/m12/i26/s01

 

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It appears that Paid Inc. was a business that eBay forget to buy.

 

This could hurt eBay big time.... Close to 12 years of hurt....

 

and could wake others to the reality that eBay is not too big to fall.

 

 

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eBay has become corporate thugs operating as a white collar organized crime unit.  They seek out and steal technologies from small companies and then use high priced lawyers to try and spend out the competition.  The problem is, as they do it more and more and more the DOJ has to consider what intent is behind their moves and is that intent criminal?  eBay does not want to pay for the technology of others, they want to steal it and that is criminal theft.

 

A pattern is forming and the DOJ can't ignore it forever.

 

for PAYD shareholders eBay stole the right to profit and that should not go unnoticed.

 

 

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Gideon, is that you?

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@cumos55 wrote:

It appears that Paid Inc. was a business that eBay forget to buy.

This could hurt eBay big time.... Close to 12 years of hurt....

and could wake others to the reality that eBay is not too big to fall.

 


I had to smile wryly at that first comment -- an oversight that eBay may regret.  

 

However, I have to wonder about ultimate corporate consequences.  Facebook and its founder is one example, as I understand it, of how purloining someone else's original idea can end up being profitable.  

 

This new corporate morality -- or rather, the lack of it -- seems to be the hallmark of this century.  The credo is: if you can get away with it, do it.  And if you can't get away with it, send in the big shot lawyers or have lunch with your politician friends. 

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nothing new here. Big corps do this daily. It may only cost them a small percentage in the end. An innovation killer.
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Why did this take a decade to be filed? Will this take another decade to settle? Something isn't right with all of this.
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Remember that FaceBook won that case. The court decided that the twins' idea and the FB idea were close, but not identical.

 

There is a company here in Ottawa that does nothing by reverse engineer new products looking for 'stolen' Nortel technology. They have won a lot of cases, and money, from companies that may have thought with the death of Nortel all that intellectual capital was free for the taking.

As I understood the radio interview, the Ottawa company (Rockstar? something like that) then licenses the idea back to the 'borrowers" and the money, or part of it, goes to the Nortel pension fund.

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@reallynicestamps wrote:

Remember that FaceBook won that case. The court decided that the twins' idea and the FB idea were close, but not identical.

 


Sadly, I know all too well how such cases get won, having spent many, many years in the support field of the legal profession.  In that role (as a paralegal or researcher), you see a lot that even other lawyers don't see because you see everybody's work, from the managing partner to the newest articled student.  Big bucks, big lawyers, big staff to support them, big expense accounts to keep everybody happy, not to mention politically-minded (or politically bent) judges -- in the US at least -- is, more often than not, what wins the day.  Justice is not often blind to money in commercial litigation. 

 

I know nothing of the actual facts of the case except that it was, in this context at least, a David and Goliath contest, and David - or at least the David twins - lost this one, like so many others of its ilk.

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http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/Patent_infringement

 

... the equitable doctrine of laches may be raised as an affirmative defense ...

 

http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/Laches

 

 ... Laches is an equitable defense that prevents a plaintiff, who “with full knowledge of the facts, acquiesces in a transaction and sleeps upon his rights.”[1] The doctrine is defined as “neglect to assert a right or claim which, taken together with a lapse of time and other circumstances” cause “prejudice to the adverse party ...

 

 

 

No needs to be concerned about Ebay, this is not event that brings them to their knees. As it has been shown numerous times, "too-big-to-fail" companies and kingdoms are usually destroyed from within by their own arrogance.

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To sustain a laches defense, a defendant must satisfy three requirements: 

 

1) delay by the plaintiff in filing suit;

 

2) the delay was unreasonable or inexcusable; and

 

3) such unreasonable delay was prejudicial to the defendant.

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The key word is delay....

 

The shipping calculator used by eBay might give the same result as that developed by the plaintiff..  It is the underlying  program that has to be found to be similar, if not the same.   It would have taken time to prove that is the same...

 

and for all we know someone at eBay had once worked for the plaintiff....  and that was less than a specific time interval....

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The relationship was broken between plaintiff and defendant  apparently close to 12 years ago.... but was that so....

 

One can suspect that eBay needed some form of extra input  ... more recently

 

Such as eBay wanted to consult about a problem... and only then did it became evident that eBay was using a shipping calculator  that was not eBay's to use....

 

 

There is a lot more here than any of us can see.....

 

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Facebook is one example. But I like the outcome in the Robert Kearns intermittent wiper story. A case that last 12+ long years, where the little guy came out the winner. It didn't hurt Chrysler or Ford very much, so I expect the same will happen here.
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@dipmicro wrote:

 

http://itlaw.wikia.com/wiki/Laches

 

 ... Laches is an equitable defense that prevents a plaintiff, who “with full knowledge of the facts, acquiesces in a transaction and sleeps upon his rights.”[1] The doctrine is defined as “neglect to assert a right or claim which, taken together with a lapse of time and other circumstances” cause “prejudice to the adverse party ...

 


"Wiki" information notwithstanding, laches defences are rare and difficult to sustain, as they offer relief in equity and require a higher standard of scrutiny.  The key concept is the question of prejudice to the other party, not necessarily the delay itself, which theoretically could be just a few days, or decades, given the right circumstances.  

 

If it is found that delay by a plaintiff in bringing suit has not unduly prejudiced the defendant's position, it's unlikely a laches defence will succeed in any event.  A defendant really has to show that the plaintiff's delay in bringing suit has significantly worsened his (the defendant's) situation.  

 

So in this situation, to succeed in a laches defence, eBay would have to demonstrate that it has been significantly prejudiced as a result of the plaintiff's delay in initiating the lawsuit (which I'd find hard to believe!).  In addition, there are often mitigating factors that can reasonably explain or excuse a delay.  Courts will also take into account the question of owner's rights (and other equitable concepts) in balancing the appropriateness of accepting a laches defence.  Overall a weak defence and not an easy one to pursue effectively.  

 

By the way, there is an important chunk of text absent from the "wiki" sentence above.  Someone forgot to add, after "sleeps upon his rights", the words: "from bringing suit" (or something similar, referring to the earlier word "plaintiff"). Otherwise, the statement makes no sense at all.  This is often the problem with "wiki" information -- lots of "experts", but no editors. 

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