Live in country A, VISA gift card purchased in country B, want shipped to country C....

wewm-yvr
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So, what's the problem?

I bank in 3 countries plus Canada. I have either debit or credit cards from banks in those countries - function in four different currencies including USD

I see lots of items (mostly precious metals) that I want to buy from vendors in USA.

Howeved, shipping prices are outrageous, so I say 'ship to my buddy in USA' and I even register his address on noth ebay abd its vo-conspirator Paypal.

Yet, I can't buy anything. I feel like I am being treated like a criminal for heing a traveller. What is the solution? Is there a more loosey-goosey online trading platform in the USA or Canada or do I have to buy from Alibaba?

Currently I am in Cabada where I gave a credit union issued VISA prepaid gift card in CAD
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"What is the solution?"

 

Really?

 

If you are serious about buying precious metal, eBay may not the best place to do it.

 

Years ago I sold gold coins (Krugerrand) and, after a quick analysis of eBay/PayPal fees and policies decided that eBay/PayPal was too expensive as a seller or a buyer to justify using this platform for those products.

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wewm-yvr
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Thank you for your response. My issue is nit ofice but complications (too strict and too slow) I did buy one product from Hawaii online (but only because they shipped to Canada) However they waitrd over a week fir payment to be processed/released before shipping. Paypal and Email indeed are not efficient for int'l commerce.
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However they waitrd over a week fir payment to be processed

 

Are you using a credit card or your bank account to back your PP account?

I suspect it is the latter. When you use a bank account you are in effect writing an 'e-cheque'. Because PP is an American company, your cheque has to pass through the banking systems of both Canada and the USA before clearing.

Until the echeque clears, your seller cannot print a PP shipping label. And, no offence to you, but he would be a fool not to wait until it has cleared.

 

An cc backed PP account is instant. In addition, if there is a problem with the transaction, in addition to the quite good eBay/PP Buyer Protection service, you have your cc's chargeback service should things go really pear-shaped.

 

Another point. The problem may not be eBay at all.

Americans have the largest, richest economy in the world. Most seller feel no need to bother with international sales.

Add that to the well-know American provincialism and xenophobia, and you will find a much lower percentage of US sellers shipping internationally than any other nationality.

Over the years I have read many posts by US sellers terrified by bidders or buyers from such exotic locales as Alaska, Hawai'i, and Puerto Rico. And then there are bidders with APO addresses. *sigh*

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BTW, I am not illiterate, just using small devices. Sorry for typos that make me look like a drunken sailor. I don't see a reply w/ quotes function on this forum so I am copying and pasting and composing elsewhere.I am using an android tablet.

 

Reallynicestamps wrote: "Are you using a credit card or your bank account to back your PP account? I suspect it is the latter. "

 

Neither--I am using a VISA gift card purchased from a major credit union in Canada. They are supposed to be anonymous and you can buy up to a $500 on one card. In reality, they are difficult to use without registering one's identity. A lot of categories and individual merchants refuse to accept such cards without registration. So I compromised in order to make it more accepted. On principle I resent financial companies and vendors knowing anymore about me other than the absolute minimum necessary to be paid and me to the product.

 

"When you use a bank account you are in effect writing an 'e-cheque'. "

 

This is prepaid. You walk into the credit union or bank, show no ID, pay your money, walk out with the card. I don't see what the risk is to the vendor. It is a very political issue to me. I am not a criminal, I just don't like corporations knowing my bank account number, as long as there are alternatives.

 

"Because PP is an American company, your cheque has to pass through the banking systems of both Canada and the USA before clearing.Until the echeque clears, your seller cannot print a PP shipping label. And, no offence to you, but he would be a fool not to wait until it has cleared. An cc backed PP account is instant."

 

As are debit card transactions, no? Yet a lot of merchants don't accept debit cards for payment.

 

"In addition, if there is a problem with the transaction, in addition to the quite good eBay/PP Buyer Protection service, you have your cc's chargeback service should things go really pear-shaped. Another point."

 

Typically I Canada I use e-transfer. All you have to know is the person's email address. Cost is low and it is instant. When I was in Kenya people were using their mobile phones to pay for stuff. These delays in financial transactions make no sense to me. No money goes anywhere. It is all virtually instant accounting. In the hundi/hawala system of money transfer system that has been used in South Asia for ages, all it takes is a fax, email or phone call between merchants who know each other. I think it must be inteference by governments or Central banks in international commerce. I don't see any non-political practical need for delays. It's not like bars of gold are being sent by caravan - it's just digits.

 

"The problem may not be eBay at all. Americans have the largest, richest economy in the world. Most seller feel no need to bother with international sales."

 

Yeah, I am looking for an alternative payment system -- say out of Russia, India, China or Brazil that is popular. Problem is "everybody" in USA is using Paypal. And it is USA that is closer to Canada for shipping and speaks my language.

 

"Add that to the well-know American provincialism and xenophobia, and you will find a much lower percentage of US sellers shipping internationally than any other nationality. Over the years I have read many posts by US sellers terrified by bidders or buyers from such exotic locales as Alaska, Hawai'i, and Puerto Rico. And then there are bidders with APO addresses. *sigh*"

 

I wouldn't label US merchants with that reputation. Try doing business with Japan!

 

But coming back to current situation, when I ordered some foodstuffs from Ontario, the sellers just used my VISA gift card, it was immediately approved and the next day my stuff was shipped. They didn't use Paypal. 

 

I think it is Paypal that is the problem. I go to my Paypal page to add my US address. Only province options. I have 'purchased' six items on ebay and all orders get cancelled because they refuse to ship within their own country. But it's also a problem of Ebay because they insist on vendors using Paypal, right or wrong? BTW, I get charged a buck US for all these purchases even though they all get cancelled. The only purchase that went through was when items were shipped to Canadian address. Hey, I figure if I am paying for the product it's up to me if I want it shipped to Germany or Timbuktu.

 

 

 

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a problem of Ebay because they insist on vendors using Paypal,

 

Sellers have to have at least one 'electronically visible' payment service and there are other options than Paypal. However, most buyers are suspicious of any other system.

This may change as other services start being used more, like Square which is very popular with the tradeshow/pow wow/ convention dealers I have met lately.

But PP, like eBay and Amazon, is the 800 pound gorilla.

 

n the hundi/hawala system of money transfer system that has been used in South Asia for ages, all it takes is a fax, email or phone call between merchants who know each other.

 

See what I did there? The deal with Paypal and the western banking system is that no one has to know anyone else. It is much more anonymous.

I've worked in two retail categories where handshake agreements were common. My boss in one could order by phone a tractor trailerload of high end woodstoves by phone with 90 days to pay because the manufacturer knew him personally. The wholesale value would be around $100,000. And in the stamp business, it is very common for buyers to take home albums on approval and bring back the album a few weeks later, along with a payment for the stamps they had kept. 

But in both cases, the personal was there.

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FF1946

 

Thank you for enlightening me

 

Hermes

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