09-01-2016 01:59 PM
We all know how long the negotiations with CP have been going on - month and months. But I really got ticked off the other day. I had ordered something from the U.K. before all this broohaa, or, as I always keep my eyes on the news, thought everything would be o.k.
The last day for delivery was shown as Sept. 2 and I sent a very polite note to the seller saying that the tracking order had been stuck on nearly delivered for ages. I also let them know, if they didn't already, about CP here if they had other Cdn. Sellers,
In this apartment, a long time ago they put a CP box in the lobby which is great - in that if there's a parcel delivered, they leave a key in your mail box showing which of the boxes it's in, complete with a key to open it, Much better than the old way of leaving a note telling you which P.O. to pick it up, It even has a box you can deposit mail to be picked up without going out to mail
The other day I was in all day and the phone rang twice (it's set for four rings before answering machine picks up), When it rang, knowing I was waiting for this shipment, I literally dashed to the phone and picked up on the 2nd ring. Nothing, I could tell the call came from the front door, Sure enough received a note to pick it up at a P.O. yesterday and am going today, To me the P.O. carrier was just too LAZY to wait for another ring or leave a key in my box. End of rant,
09-06-2016 12:04 AM
Nah-- the part of Foul Bay Road that is narrow and winding is Millionaire's Row-- except for the parts where the really wealthy people live.
They'll just send the chauffeur to pick up the mail.
Problem solved.
09-06-2016 09:37 AM
Interesting article from Michael Warren in the Toronto Star today:
For our young readers, Michael Warren was CEO of Canada Post a few decades ago.
09-06-2016 03:12 PM
I have a problem with the claim that the pension plan is a drag on the corporation.
Of course it is a liability, just like gasoline for the trucks and heat for the terminals.
But like those, it is a cost that is paid out over time.
And unlike those, the money spent doesn't disappear.
$8.1 billion dollars over thirty years ( life expectancy of a 55 *year old retiree) is $27,000,000 annually.
Which is a lot.
But it is not a static amount.
For one thing, I hope the pension funds, contributed by both management and employees, are in money earning investments.
So in addition to the incoming pension contributions, there should be an income to the pension from there.
We hear a lot about the Ontario Teachers' Pension Fund as a highly successful investment fund.
For another, the number of employees entering the pensioner group will be decreasing every year. Even with survivor benefits, that leaves more in the kitty for the rest, including new pensioners.
And with automation, there are fewer hires every year.
Mr. Warren was very polite not to mention that the end of profitability for Canada Post came with the appointment of two CEOs from private industry by the Conservative Party.
Green had overseen the privatisation of Canadian National before moving on to banking. Chopra from our beloved Pitney Bowes.
*Most of the CUPW jobs are very physical. You don't see 65 yo carriers, and the work in the terminals is hard on the feet, knees, and back. To say nothing of endemic deafness from the noise.
09-06-2016 04:48 PM - edited 09-06-2016 04:52 PM
"I have a problem with the claim that the pension plan is a drag on the corporation."
Unfortunately, it is a real problem and it is a very complex situation that cannot fully be answered in a post here. There would be no problem if Canada Post covered the cost of pension every year. It does not because the previous government allowed them not to when doing their books. So Canada Post is left with a very substantial unfunded liability.
If Canada Post were to accrue their defined pension liabilities every year - like all other corporations - they would show huge losses, year after year.
In other words, the revenues generated by shippers do not fully cover the costs of operations when you included everything and pension liabilities.
They had that problem at Nortel.
" I hope the pension funds, contributed by both management and employees, are in money earning investments."
Yes but the plan does not earn enough money to cover the cost of the plan. Relatively low interest rates in the last few years have helped make the matter worse. Benefits paid and accrued are higher than contribution + income. Total (invested) assets of the plan are about $22 billion while liabilities to retirees and future retirees are $28 billion.
Overall, there are 90,000 members of the plan including over 33,00 retirees. And the ratio of retirees increases every year meaning fewer members are contributing in relation to the total.
Somehow someone somewhere will have to make that $6 billion dollar deficit (and it is growing year after year) and I do not think Canadian taxpayers are willing to do that, are they?
PS - The plan paid out $880 million in benefits to 33,500 retirees in 2015 alone, and that figure is set to ratchet higher in the coming years.
09-06-2016 05:20 PM
@pierrelebel wrote:
Somehow someone somewhere will have to make that $6 billion dollar deficit (and it is growing year after year) and I do not think Canadian taxpayers are willing to do that, are they?
According to CUPW, the solvency deficit is actually falling. And CUPW claims that other measures of the plan suggest it's not faring quite as badly as CPC is making it out to be.
http://www.cupw.ca/en/why-canada-post-hiding-huge-surplus-pension-plan
09-06-2016 05:57 PM
"And CUPW claims..."
Frankly I do not care what CUPW or CP management claim. Their arguments are tiring on both sides.
I prefer to read the information provided by accountants and auditors in the notes to the financial statements.
There is no credibility - as far as I am concerned - by management or the union on the subject as both try to prove their points, regardless of actuarial facts (when I entered university back in the '60's, I wanted to become an actuary. I have the greatest respect for that profession).
09-06-2016 08:17 PM
So the 'fat gold-plated pensions' that the Cons rave on about average about $26,000 a year ?
And the pension payments were half from the pensioners/workers themselves?
09-06-2016 08:20 PM
@pierrelebel wrote:
I prefer to read the information provided by accountants and auditors in the notes to the financial statements.
So what information from an accountant or auditor leads you to conclude that the solvency deficit is increasing?
09-06-2016 10:03 PM
" ...'fat gold-plated pensions' that the Cons rave on about average about $26,000 a year ?"
I do not think Canadians generally complain about the size of the pensions paid to retired workers.
The problem at Canada Post is not accounting for the liabilities accruing every year. Not enough money coming in from customers to properly account for defined benefits that will be paid to retirees - as the plan is currently structured.
Now, let us not kid ourselves: postal retirees will get their pension. The question is who will pay for it?
09-06-2016 10:04 PM
"so what information from an accountant or auditor leads you to conclude that the solvency deficit is increasing?"
09-06-2016 11:39 PM
@pierrelebel wrote:
The information is available to all by reading the notes from the accountants in the Canada Post annual financial reports - available online.
Okay, so if I'm reading those notes correctly, they note that the pension liability for the corporation decreased in 2015 from 2014's figure.
09-07-2016 09:49 AM
Page 125 of the 2015 report (Notes from the auditors)
"Over the past few years, low solvency discount rates increased the pension plans’ solvency obligations and deficits significantly. Changes to pension legislation were implemented by the Government of Canada providing Crown corporations with funding relief on special solvency contributions if certain conditions are met. Under these regulations, the aggregate amount of the relief was limited to 15% of the fair value of plan assets. In February 2014, the Government of Canada introduced the Canada Post Corporation Pension Plan Funding Regulations.
Under these regulations, the Corporation is exempt from making special contributions into its registered pension plan from 2014 to 2017. Temporary measures were implemented to address the Corporation’s operational challenges and provided immediate relief on its capital resources. The Corporation continues to evaluate options in order to ensure the financial sustainability of its pension plan. The Corporation is expected to resume special contributions in 2018, at the end of the temporary relief period.
Without relief, an additional $1.4 billion in special contributions would have been required by the Corporation in 2015.
Based on the latest estimate of the Canada Post Corporation Registered Pension Plan’s funding position as of December 31, 2015, the special contributions without pension relief would be $1.2 billion in 2016.
09-07-2016 11:06 AM
I still see nothing that contradicts the statement that the solvency deficit increased in 2015 over 2014.
09-07-2016 11:15 AM
Sorry. I can't help you.
The auditors are clear on the amount of liabilities in 2015 NOT included in the books.
09-07-2016 12:13 PM
On a somewhat related note, I stumbled on this article while looking for more information on the solvency deficit. You probably know a fair bit about this already, but I did find the history lesson of interest:
http://www.benefitscanada.com/news/how-air-canadas-pension-took-off-as-canada-posts-plan-sank-into-d...
09-07-2016 01:56 PM
Interesting article. Thank you for the link.
09-09-2016 09:30 AM
No, maybe things changed in Winnipeg all those years ago. It was only about 1 yr. ago that we got the box I mentioned in my lobby and up until the occurrence I mentioned, everything was fine.