01-26-2014 07:58 PM
Hey guys,
This might be a novice question, or has been answered numerous times on this forum. But i've been banging my head around this question for two days now. After researching the recent ban on Lithium Ion batteries being shipped (causing fires), then being lifted. I thought it was legal to ship tablets/Phones etc. within Canada and USA. After contacting Canada Post and speaking with the receptionist behind the desk, she informed me that Canada Post cannot ship phones or electronic goods. - is she wrong/Right?
If she is correct, then howcome i see so many electronic items being offered on ebay w/ international shipping?
again, i apologize if this is an outdated question, I'm just looking for a 100% definitive answer before i accept an offer for my Ipad Mini
Cheers
01-26-2014 09:42 PM
100% yes, you can ship consumer devices with lithium ion batteries. At least to Canada and the US. There may be some international destinations that still do not accept them. You need to make sure it's packaged properly as well.
http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGabcmail-e.asp#1510298
3.2.2.8 | Batteries |
As a general rule, most batteries such as AA, AAA, C and D used in consumer electronic products can be accepted for shipping (this rule can only be applied to lithium batteries when specifications below are adhered to).
Lithium batteries
All of the following requirements must be met when packaging Lithium Batteries. They must:
NOTE: | Lithium batteries and devices containing lithium batteries cannot be shipped to the United States or International Destinations. |
The note above about the US and international is incorrect. I am not sure why they haven't updated it. The Canada Post info is for Jan 2013 and USPS changed their policy in Jan 2013, so maybe someone forgot to update. I have searched many times on USPS website to see if they accept Li Ion shipments. The link is for sending but a quick look on ebay shows literally 100 000's of items being sent by USPS both imported and exported that contain Li Ion batteries.
From USPS website:
http://about.usps.com/news/national-releases/2012/pr12_128.htm
Basically, if it is a consumer item then it can be shipped with that item. If you are shipping industrial, custom or bulk shipments of batteries, that would be different.
01-26-2014 09:58 PM
@nvjacksontyler wrote:... i've been banging my head around this question for two days now. After researching the recent ban on Lithium Ion batteries being shipped (causing fires), then being lifted. I thought it was legal to ship tablets/Phones etc. within Canada and USA. After contacting Canada Post and speaking with the receptionist behind the desk, she informed me that Canada Post cannot ship phones or electronic goods. -- is she wrong/Right?
I'd suggest reading Canada Post's Non-mailable Matter
http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGnonmail-e.asp
Customers who are uncertain whether the items they intend to mail are dangerous goods should verify with the manufacturer or supplier or contact CANUTEC by phone at 1-613-992-4624. Customers can also consult www.tc.gc.ca/eng/tdg/safety-menu.htm for information.
Excerpt from the Dangerous goods list:
Class 9: battery powered devices with battery installed if they will produce any type of noise while in transit; lithium batteries
01-26-2014 10:02 PM
Thank you for that very detailed response. It was very helpful.
I have a follow up question if you don't mind (this can be answered from anyone who reads it and feels they have had previous experience with this question)
Since i will be shipping an item valued in the $400.00 range that is brand new, still in the box to someone i don't know (i can only see the ratings left from previous purchases/sales) My question is;
What if they receive my item, break the seals that prove it was never opened, and replace that item with a previously owned broken one? - they then take my brand new item that is not broken, keep it. demand a refund for shipping a broken item and then are credited the full refund, leaving a negative score etc etc.
How does one protect one self from this potential situation?
As i'm starting to sell higher valued items, i just want to protect myself from all possible angles.
any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
01-27-2014 10:55 AM
@nvjacksontyler wrote:Thank you for that very detailed response. It was very helpful.
I have a follow up question if you don't mind (this can be answered from anyone who reads it and feels they have had previous experience with this question)
Since i will be shipping an item valued in the $400.00 range that is brand new, still in the box to someone i don't know (i can only see the ratings left from previous purchases/sales) My question is;
What if they receive my item, break the seals that prove it was never opened, and replace that item with a previously owned broken one? - they then take my brand new item that is not broken, keep it. demand a refund for shipping a broken item and then are credited the full refund, leaving a negative score etc etc.
How does one protect one self from this potential situation?
As i'm starting to sell higher valued items, i just want to protect myself from all possible angles.
any feedback would be greatly appreciated.
Cheers
You can't. You have to trust the buyer.
The bad news is, if someone is intent on doing that, there is little you can do. The good news is 99+% of buyers are honest.
Unfortunately you are selling a highly sought after item that scammers target so have a higher risk of fraud.
I never sell an item unopened, but always open and test the item. Then take the information down. Again, all of this may help deter someone, but in the end, it all comes down to your word over theirs in a dispute and in the case you describe, the buyer will be protected.
Ebay is aware of this, and they do try to filter out the scammers, but it still happens.
My recommendation is to sell only to Canada and the US. The item you are selling is not rare or hard to get. There is little reason for a person from another country like Argentina, Russia, France, etc. can't go to their local apple store or classifieds or ebay and buy the exact same item. Therefore, there is a much higher risk when selling an item overseas.
No matter where you send it, send it with tracking and over $250 send with signature confirmation. Ebay/Paypal rules have changed on $$$ amount, but I always use $250.
Xpress post to the US has signature confirmation automatically included.
http://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/PGxpresusa-e.asp
section 7.5
Signature is automatically included in the service at no additional charge and is provided when available for Priority Worldwide, Xpresspost – USA (including Prepaid Envelopes) and Xpresspost – International Prepaid Envelopes
Pay the extra for insurance.
Unfortunately you can't do this with ebay, but with Apple's new icloud lock, I lock my items for sale to my ID. If I am selling locally, if the person decides to run with it, or it gets stolen, at least they can't unlock it, and you can put find my phone on it too.
If a buyer with 10+, 100+ FB buys it and has been a member for years, you are probably ok. Zero FB and a new member, likely they won't even pay for it, but you need to look out for them.
One way to filter buyers is to put a higher price with a best offer and a minimum price, but no automatic higher price. That way you can choose who buys the product.
01-27-2014 12:25 PM
Thanks for the response.
Its just a worry in the back of my head that could cost a lot of money for me especially if shipping outside of Canada into the United States.
With all the rules in place, I would get hit for boarder fee's/customs on both ways - leaving canada and then returning back from USA.
I could potentially be out of pocket a lot of money + a broken ipad or not the original one
01-27-2014 01:56 PM
You have to accept there is a risk selling here that could include losing the full value of the item, or sell in person locally instead
i don't think you have looked into what is involved in selling here close enough before listing items of that value. eg if it actually is going to sell, your fees will be huge without a store subscription. If it isn't going to sell you'll waste money using reserve like that.
03-30-2014 03:48 PM
Hey so did anyone ship a tablet from Canada to USA? My boyfriend in Canada has a tablet and wants to send it to me, I am in the US. So do you have to pay any import fees? Its a used item and so I wanted to know how much would the import fees be, if any?
03-30-2014 05:03 PM
With all the rules in place, I would get hit for boarder fee's/customs on both ways - leaving canada and then returning back from USA.
Well, no.
The importer/buyer pays the import fees. If he refuses the item, it is not imported so there are no fees and it returns to the seller.
The seller is not importing so there are no import fees on the returned item. If necessary, it might be necessary to explain to CBSA that this is 'returned merchandise" and not dutiable.
Further, if the item is made in Canada (like a Blackberry) it is not dutiable because NAFTA. But if it is an iPad, for example it is dutiable because China.
BTW "border fees". Yes, I am the grammar police.
So do you have to pay any import fees? Its a used item and so I wanted to know how much would the import fees be, if any?
The USA has different standards than Canada. So best to ask the American customs people.
Used or new doesn't make a difference, but the value of used is much lower than that of new.
There are also provisions for gifts.
US residents can import up to $200 USD value before paying any duty.
Have your BF mark the label as 'gift' and value"$198CDN" (or less, if it would be, don't lie). and you should be fine.
03-30-2014 05:41 PM - edited 03-30-2014 05:42 PM
The import gift limit for a USA resident by mail is $100. Ironically, lower than the $200 limit for commercial goods. SO marking it as a gift may not be a good idea.