Soaring energy prices making Ontario look dim for manufacturers

valve37
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For businesses in Brockville, the attempt to lure them over the border wasn’t new. But the pitch was.

Earlier this winter, manufacturers in the Eastern Ontario community received a letter reminding them that their province’s industrial electricity rates were projected to rise by 33 per cent over the next five years, and 55 per cent by 2032.

“As a hedge against these increases,” it suggested, “setting up an operation just across the border in St. Lawrence County, New York, may be a competitive strategy you should consider.”

Such overtures, if not in written form then made more casually, are becoming increasingly common in Ontario. While they may not find immediate takers, they are emblematic of the mounting economic threat from an energy-cost trajectory that – following a series of questionable policy decisions – the province now seems powerless to do much about.

Owing mostly to a combination of overdue investments in infrastructure, phasing out coal and an ill-fated gamble on green energy, soaring power rates have already greatly increased the cost of doing business in Ontario. That’s particularly true for those in the troubled manufacturing sector. In a report last month, the Association of Major Power Consumers of Ontario (AMPCO) alleged that the province now has “the highest industrial rates in North America”; per that report, prices are currently 37 per cent higher than in neighbouring New York for the province’s biggest industrial users, and 68 per cent higher for smaller ones.

Adding insult to injury is that, because an excess of energy supply has come online at a time of decreased demand, Ontario is currently selling surplus power to New York and other neighbours at a steeply discounted rate. While that may play only a marginal role in enabling them to offer lower prices to consumers, it adds to frustration on this side of the border – not so much with those taking advantage, as with perceived mismanagement of the province’s energy market that has given them the opportunity to do so.

“It’s not anything to do with them – they’re capitalizing on an opportunity,” said Brockville Chamber of Commerce executive director Anne MacDonald about St. Lawrence County. “It’s more about the hike in electricity costs.”

Ms. MacDonald is quick to note that those costs have yet to actually drive any of the region’s businesses to move, and local industry leaders say such decisions would be far more complex. “If a decision like that was ever forced to be made, it would involve more than the price of electricity,” said Northern Cables CEO Shelley Bacon, citing factors such as labour costs and the strength of the Canadian dollar.

But Mr. Bacon, whose company makes industrial and power cables, says energy prices have in the past couple of years “started to creep onto the radar screen” when it comes to making investment decisions.

Influencing where new investments are made rather than trying to get companies to uproot themselves altogether is what St. Lawrence County says it was aiming for. “The pitch isn’t for a Canadian company to move over here,” said Patrick Kelly, the CEO of the industrial development agency that sent the letter. “What works best for us is some kind of satellite or companion facility.”

While insisting that setting up operations in New York can complement those in Ontario though, Mr. Kelly acknowledges that his agency “ramped things up last year” in terms of emphasizing its power advantage, because it recognized energy prices as “clearly something that’s frustrating the industrial world over there.” And to date, he says, the county has gotten “some response” to the hundreds of mailings it sent out.

For its part, Kathleen Wynne’s government points to a pair of recently introduced programs aimed at providing price relief to manufacturers – one allowing the biggest users to save by shifting production to off-peak times, the other trying to direct some of that surplus power at discounted rates to smaller companies starting up or expanding. Neither, according to a spokesperson for Energy Minister Bob Chiarelli, was factored into AMPCO’s cross-border comparisons.

There is speculation that further such measures will be announced this spring, and it’s not hard to see why. With government and even opposition sources conceding price increases are an inescapable fact of life in the coming years, the province will need to get creative in trying to mitigate their effects. Meanwhile, the stateside pitch that businesses have recently started to hear will fast become more familiar.

 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/soaring-energy-prices-making-ontario-look-dim-for-manuf...

 

 Here's enlightening facts for Ontario:
Eleven years ago, Ontario had a vibrant, inexpensive energy sector;
Electricity use in Ontario has now decreased by 6% since 2006.
( result of Conservation and having fewer industrial customers)
in 2013 Ontario paid Quebec, Michigan and Ohio $1 Billion to take excess power off our hands. ($250 per Ontario household!)
Ontario pays 11-15.5 cents kwh for wind energy.(on contracts)
Ontario now has
the highest electricity rates in North America.
the SmartMeters
installed since 2009 cost $750 each - now they want to buy "better ones" = $800/each - ???who pays for those???
Manufacturers are leaving Ontario due to unaffordable electricity;
Almost 1 million Ontarian’s are out of work.
(one of the highest unemployment rates in Canada).
Ontario is "the have-not province" now with a debt of $227 billion.
Ontario is spending $11 billion building transmission lines just to feed energy from wind turbines.(That’s an additional $2750 cost to
your household.)
Your Ontario hydro rates will continue to increase every May and October to pay for new wind energy. (it's almost MAY again!)
Over the next 20 years, your household will pay an
additional $40,000+ for electricity....just to pay for the cost of wind energy will add $110,000,000,000.00 to our electrical bills. That’s $110 billion.
- -
the really interesting thing about Wind Power:
You
cannot use WIND to replace a hydro, coal, gas or oil power generator -WIND only produces electricity when IT WANTS not when you need it!

Promotional information was mailed in 2014 to Ontario’s Manufacturing sector citing Ontario’s high energy costs as a good reason to relocate to New York State....

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Well now Prior this otta make you happy. Just remember to vote for Wynne for she'll need a majority to do this!

 

"Residential consumers will still see their hydro bills go up, even though the governing Liberals are planning to remove the controversial debt retirement charge from their monthly statements in 2016.

The Ontario Clean Energy Benefit, which takes 10 per cent off hydro bills, will also expire at the same time. The majority of ratepayers will also be expected to bankroll a proposed program that would offset energy costs for lower-income families.

According to the government, a typical family consuming about 800 kilowatt hours per month would save about $75.60 a year after taxes once the debt retirement charge is removed on Jan. 1, 2016.

But those savings would be cancelled out by the loss of an $180 annual rebate from the clean energy benefit, which was introduced in 2012."

 

http://globalnews.ca/news/1285653/ontario-liberals-to-announce-elimination-of-debt-retirement-charge...

"It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are."--Unknown
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Some historical facts:

 

Exactly what is the "debt retirement charge" all about on your bill?

 

The debt retirement charge is a line item on your electricity bill. People sometimes wonder how and when it came to appear on your bill, and what it is. The debt retirement charge is the legacy of the Conservative government in Ontario between 1995 and 2003. Prior to 1995, electricity was generated, transmitted and distributed by the former Ontario Hydro, an entity that no longer exists. The Conservative government of that era decided that the U.S. model of private power was the way to go for Ontario, and began a process of taking apart Ontario Hydro.

First, power generation was split off, and called Ontario Power Generation. This entity owns the assets and equipment that generate electricity. Then power transmission was split off, and called Hydro One. This entity owns the wires that transmit electricity from the generating station to the substation in your city or neighbourhood. Finally, the distribution of electricity was privatized. In Mississauga, our distributor is Enersource Hydro Mississauga.

Of course, the old Ontario Hydro assets were attractive to buyers, but the debts were not. The old Ontario Hydro, like other provincial utilities such as Manitoba Hydro, Hydro Quebec and B.C. Hydro, was a large and integrated organization, and could issue its own bonds rather than going to a bank. In this way, financing directly to the investment market could be a bit less expensive to a large public utility like the old Ontario Hydro. But none of the buyers of the generation assets or the transmission assets or the distribution assets wanted the debt that came with them. So the Conservative government of that era stuck it to you and to me.

But by the time the Conservative government wanted to sell the generation and transmission assets, the worldwide experience in private energy was that many private sector investors took the money and ran, leaving behind debt-laden disasters like Enron in the USA. So the Conservatives lost their nerve, and did not privatize either Ontario Power Generation or Hydro One, though the distribution of electricity was fully privatized. But they also did not apportion the full amount of the old Ontario Hydro debt to either, or both, of Ontario Power Generation or Hydro One either. They dropped that $19.5 billion debt charge onto taxpayers. That's right. That is you and me.

The Conservative tinkering with electricity did not stop at privatization. On the Conservative watch, they failed to build electricity generation capacity, leaving only dirty coal and expensive U.S. power imports to supply Ontario at a time when our province, traditionally a power exporter, was paying just about any price to keep the lights on in Ontario. Then they froze rates at 4.3 cents per kilowatt-hour even as they spent in excess of $1.00 per kilowatt-hour to buy imported power. How did the Conservatives pay for it? They just tacked it onto your "stranded debt." In fact, the Conservative government tacked on about $1 billion onto the stranded debt paid by Mr. and Mrs. Ontario.

And that is how the "stranded debt" came to be. From 1999 through 2003, the Conservative government of the day actually added to the debt, not paid it. By the time the Conservatives lost the 2003 election, the stranded debt stood at $20.5 billion. On your bill, it is called the debt retirement charge. As of the end of 2010, the remaining principal stood at $14.8 billion. Your Liberal government has paid down the principal, something the Conservatives never did.

 

Let's recap. By October of 2003, electricity was in a precarious mess.

  • Ontario was losing, not gaining, the ability to generate electricity;
  • Ontarians were relying on expensive U.S. power imports, instead of electricity generated in this province;
  • The transmission grid was old and fragile, finally showing how brittle it was when it failed to keep the summer 2003 blackout from rolling through eastern Ontario;
  • Ontario's electricity, by 2003, was composed of aging generation plants and dirty coal, causing smog alerts and bad air;
  • The Conservative attempt to privatize the generation and transmission of electricity between 1995 and 2003 was an expensive failure, sticking Ontario families with a $20.5 billion debt charge to pay down.
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Ontario progress since 2003

 

Through strong fiscal management since 2003, Ontario has steadily reduced the stranded debt - by about $1 billion in each of the last six years. The stranded debt is currently $5.7 billion lower than it was in 2003. This decrease means that the annual interest costs on the debt retirement charge have been reduced by $408 million each year. The Ontario Electricity Financial Corporation (OEFC) is projecting stranded debt to be paid down by another $1 billion in 2010-11. To date, $7.8 billion has been collected under the Debt Retirement Charge, and $5.7 billion has been used to pay down the principal. The balance, $2.1 billion, has gone towards a number of other costs, including interest on debt, and the unnecessary cost of the former Conservative government's rate freeze, more than $1-billion. See above.

Ontario's electricity supply situation is now stronger than it has been for years. The Province's energy system is rapidly moving away from dirty coal and towards clean, renewable power. Because of the investments Ontario has made after the years of neglect, our families, households and businesses are in the best supply situation in a decade due to new generation and transmission facilities added during the past five years.

Ontario is making good progress towards removing coal from the fuel mix. In 2010, Ontario was once again a net exporter of power, receiving a net benefit of $300 million (exported $500 million minus imported $200 million). This accounts for times where Ontario had excess supply, because our supply situation is much better today than it was just a few years ago. The Province no longer relies on electricity imports to meet demand. In the last year of the Conservative government, we were a net importer of power, paying $400 million to others. Indeed, in that last desperate summer of 2003, when Ontario power consumers were buying high, paying low, adding the difference to their stranded debt, and relying on electricity imports to keep the lights on, the Conservative government even haphazardly placed diesel generators in some major cities (including Toronto) as a stopgap in case the whole power system collapsed.

Ontario's partnership with neighbouring jurisdictions allows all of us to benefit by each being able to reliably manage our systems - It would be three times more expensive to power down our base-load power generation stations if we only generated what we needed when we needed it. Ontarians are getting through lean times with a rebate of ten percent off their electricity bills for the next five years. This is a savings of approximately $150 per household each year. That's on top of as much as $900 families are eligible for, and up to $1,025 seniors are eligible for, under the Energy and Property Tax Credit.

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Thanks for the archive however I don't see any mention of the McGuinty green energy act which is driving energy rates and my billing up up and away. No mention of solar farms and wind turbines polluting Ontario's environment visually and otherwise. Liberals have failed to put a price on that one. 

"It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are."--Unknown
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Wind farms being shut down.

 

https://www.google.ca/#q=wind+farms+being+shut+down

 

solar farms shut down.

 

https://www.google.ca/#q=solar+farms+shut+down

"It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are."--Unknown
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Residents of Ontario are also getting slammed with another electricity charge.          A yearly charge of $11.00 will be added to   every bill to help low income earners with their huge bills.   The average working person will be saddled with the extra cost.

 

 

Chiarelli also announced a new program funded by ratepayers to help low income earners in the province with the cost of electricity — another $11 more a year on the average hydro bill.

 

http://www.torontosun.com/2014/04/23/ontario-hydro-bills-to-rise-despite-end-of-debt-retirement-char...

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Yepper Nu, just bleed the middle class some more!

"It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are."--Unknown
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Valve, you have one goal and that's to get rid of Liberals anywhere, Federal, Provincial. I agree with you that the Ontario Liberals have really messed up and I'm far from happy about it. You know my feelings on Harper and Hudak but not because they're Conservative, it's all about them as individuals. But what is your answer for the power supply that Ontario needs? You don't like turbines and we agree on that. You don't seem to like solar, I do like solar. But tell me what you believe the answer is. What for instance has Hudak said he would do. Will he cancel the turbine contracts? Has he got an alternative? What is this man made of? To me he's made of "I want to get into power because the Liberals have screwed up so badly" and after that there's not much else.

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Back to nuclear, the cleanist and cheapist power source.

"It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are."--Unknown
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Well nuclear is that..........cheap and clean........until it's not clean. There has been 33 serious nuclear accidents since they began recording them in 1952 (Chalk River). I think we can agree that with nuclear, when things go bad, they go very bad!

Just a bit of information to consider.....

 

These are where the fault lines are in Ontario.

 

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This is where we have had quakes in our region............

 

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Of course people could say "it won't happen" or "the safety precautions are there", but I think they said the same thing where the other accidents happened.

 

Personally I lean more to solar power. It's unobtrusive, easily converted to homes, easily repairable, power can be stored but for larger applications GE is working on storage research and design.





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Kathleen Wynne drops high-speed rail hint for London

 

http://metronews.ca/news/london/1003238/premier-kathleen-wynne-drops-high-speed-rail-hint-for-london...

 

Powered by all those wind turbines. I'm sure the rural population don't mind kicking in for  high-speed rail service between London and the  GTA. You OK with that Prior?

 

Picture it leaving London!

 

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"It came to me that every time I lose a dog they take a piece of my heart with them. And every new dog who comes into my life gifts me with a piece of their heart. If I live long enough, all the components of my heart will be dog, and I will become as generous and loving as they are."--Unknown
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@prior-of-verity*shake-hands-with-your-devil wrote:
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Of course people could say "it won't happen" or "the safety precautions are there", but I think they said the same thing where the other accidents happened.

 

Personally I lean more to solar power. It's unobtrusive, easily converted to homes, easily repairable, power can be stored but for larger applications GE is working on storage research and design.


 

My last place of employment had a demand of over 6 MW of power. 

 

.   How many acres of solar panels will it take to supply  this ?

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There is no Green affordable energy .. The world is not there yet... Solar of wind .. I am going solar within 10 years but only to be off the grid not for big savig as the cost is huge and the maintainence well If i did it now I would relpace or repair 2-3 times before I passed away ...

 

They are shutting down coal etc because the pollution but at what cost ... People choosing between lights and foods or medicine and lights....

 

 

All in All I think Liberals did it wrong and 2 early I think there look at power sourcing is in the right direction but like I said they did it wrong and too early ....

 

 

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First of all, you do realize that photo is not the high speed rail suggested. That photo is a modern streetcar.

Yes I was told the idea was announced. Someone I know said they were really happy about it because now it will be faster for her to visit her daughter in Toronto, although I'm not sure how thrilled her daughter will be about that.

 

I think this high speed rail is a pure waste of money.....if it even happens. It is nothing more than an attempt for votes for Wynne and the Liberals. I have nothing against Liberal governments, but this one has been a frikken disaster. The problem is next election I wouldn't trust Hudak to take care of a goldfish overnight much less a province and the NDP seem lost. I'll probably end up voting for Marg McGlaughlin. She's a waitress at the local restaurant and she has better ideas than the other three party leaders put together.

 

The high speed rail will benefit Toronto, not London or Kitchener. It's high speed passenger service and what businesses would want is high speed cargo transportation. The money proposed on this rail service would be better strategically put into areas that need help such as healthcare, affordable housing, etc. The news states it the rail idea will be 29 Billion. We all know it will be more, it always ends up that way. But the money would be better spent somewhere else in my opinion. In the past when Ontario was not so much in debt and it was the capital of manufacturing and profit in Canada, I might have said 'what an interesting idea'. But right now we have other things to take care of first.

 

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