Taxes on postal imports. Let's get the FACTS

Much has been written in the last six months about a large percentage of parcels containing taxable products ($20+) and going through Canada Customs without any tax being assessed.  Different posters have different experiences but it would be nice to get the facts - if the information is available.

 

Today I wrote to my member of Parliament.  You may want to do the same in different parts of the country and see if we get consistent answers.

 

"Good afternoon.

As we all know e-commerce is booming.  Canadians buy more by mail through the Internet as ever before. Looking at companies like eBay doing over one billion dollar a year (purchases by Canadians mostly from the USA), it means substantial amounts of tax revenues (GST/HST) are no longer collected in Canada by Canadian merchants (and remitted to CRA) but assessed instead by Canada Customs and collected by Canada Post at time of delivery.  We are looking at HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS OF TAX DOLLARS, MAYBE BILLIONS. That is big business and every dollar will help reduce the deficit and eventually lower the national debt. 

My question to you today is: do you have information as to how many parcels arrive in Canada through the postal system every year from the USA and overseas and what is the total dollar value of these importations.  Also, what is the total amount of taxes (GST/HST/PST) collected on taxable imported products coming by mail.  Finally, as we all know, a large portion of postal parcels coming through Canada Customs are not assessed any tax despite the fact they are valued at more than $20 according to their Customs Declaration and tax(es) should be assessed and collected according to the law:

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/import/postal-postale/duty-droits-eng.html

This leads to my final question: why are so many parcels ignored by Canada Customs?  GST/HST registered merchants must account for every penny of tax collectables on their revenues.  Otherwise they pay fines and interest.  Why would Canada Customs be the worst offender when it comes to tax collection?

Hopefully you do have answers to my questions or know how to get them.

Thank you for your time."

 

If you really care about the issue and wish to contact your MP on the subject to possibly get factual information, feel free to copy any or all parts of my message.

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Yes but government departments have been know to stall and delay (or even refuse) if they do not want the information released for whatever reason.

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I can give you one and the most important reason why every tax and import duty is not collected.

 

..because for every CBSA worker there are probably several thousand if not more parcels and documents being passed through those conveyor belts. Now if every parcel were to touch the eyes and fingers of CBSA workers you could imagine just how backlogged they would become, beginning to start a huge lodge of complaints from Canada's most important customers - businesses. if businesses don't get their imports within a certain time frame, Canada will ultimately lose more total revenue than it would make off the import taxes from parcels.

 

If everything was automated, all industries and whatnot as robots that rarely if ever make mistakes perhaps then we can see such a perfect mass market industry - until that happens you'll only result in what we have now.

 

Please remember the Canadian government cares more about foreign trade than it does it's own people. Because foreign trade = business and business = money.

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@petitecroissant550 wrote:

I can give you one and the most important reason why every tax and import duty is not collected.

 

..because for every CBSA worker there are probably several thousand if not more parcels and documents being passed through those conveyor belts. Now if every parcel were to touch the eyes and fingers of CBSA workers you could imagine just how backlogged they would become, beginning to start a huge lodge of complaints from Canada's most important customers - businesses. if businesses don't get their imports within a certain time frame, Canada will ultimately lose more total revenue than it would make off the import taxes from parcels.

 


I would argue that many if not most businesses don't have imported items sent to them through the postal system, preferring instead to have them shipped by commercial carriers who clear their items in a manner not dissimilar to the GSP.

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The CBSA still must "inspect" each and every package, which again correlates to my previous post in the matter that time = money. The CBSA has nothing to do with the postal system. It doesn't matter if you have a private broker or carrier. If the CBSA were to check every single little package to either confirm the contents and prices or to slap on import charges - businesses would take off and leave Canada in the dust.

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"The CBSA still must "inspect" each and every package,"

 

Must ????

 

Not quite.  They should but they do not.  If they did, taxes would be properly assessed on parcels with substantial value.

 

The tax laws where all Canadian businesses must collect and remit GST/HST apply to everybody but the federal government who refuses to the job required by law.  All that to gain a few votes.

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"businesses would take off and leave Canada in the dust."

 

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Business does not care about tax being assessed.  It makes no difference as all GST/HST paid at time of Customs clearance is refunded 100% through Input Tax Credits (ITCs).  It does not matter if it comes by train, bus, air, truck or mail.

 

All GST/HST eBay sellers already know that.

 

Currently all forwarders such as UPS, Fed-Ex, DHL, Pitney-Bowes, etc... prepare and clear parcels through Canada Customs without delay in most instances.  There is no valid reason for the same efficient Customs clearance not to be available when coming by mail.  It is a matter of labour availability.

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pierre please re-read all of my post thoroughly. As I had already said, inspection of every parcel is their job at CBSA. Thats why they must do it - however just because someone must do something doesn't mean they will.

 

None of my post has anything to do with businesses caring about GST or Tax, but rather that IF and only IF CBSA acted as it is supposed to there would be so much delay in processing packages that businesses would no longer see any reason to trade with Canada.

 

Your post has absolutely nothing to do with mine and is talking about present tense, whereas my posts are in respondance to the question "why CBSA doesn't inspect / tax etc every parcel".

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"businesses would no longer see any reason to trade with Canada."

 

That is the part that does not make sense.

 

Businesses do import by mail.  Parcels do get processed by Canada Customs and taxes assessed and collected.  Businesses do not leave Canada because the odd delay in getting parcels coming by mail cleared through Customs.  If it were a real problem (it is not) importers (businesses) would use forwarders and couriers where Customs clearance is routine.

 

In my business I have imported millions of dollars - all assessed correctly by Canada Customs - by mail and couriers.  Delays through one carrier would not be a logical reason to close shop and move the business elsewhere.

 

Hopefully I will get a reply to my inquiry (see original post) so one can discuss the situation based on facts - how many parcels... etc... etc...  I would never assume that the proper assessment and collection of duty and taxes would result in so many delays as to effectively close the border - which is what you are suggesting.  Life is not that bad.

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All I can say is that if you put a stop to traffic you get back up. I could use a highway in Toronto as an example but the amount of cars nowhere near demonstrates the amount of parcels flooding through. I know for a fact that any sane individual let alone an entire industry would get fed up having their packages crammed up the roof through CBSA offices like a pile at a dump site because of how backlogged it would get. But if you have such firm believe in your CBSA worker's robotic or superhuman abilities to process EVERY package (ie. open it, check paper work, open item to make sure it's not a bomb, close it back up, send it on its way) then be my guest lol. Perhaps all of the workers have X-Ray and MRI vision?

 

I highly doubt the government would openly tell you the exact number of parcels entering Canada each day, but again you seem confident in the system.

 

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I suppose that after writing to your MP. You then mailed out a check to Revenue Canada for all of the taxes that you collected on your eBay sales?
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Crickets??? Do I hear cricket???
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@73rhc wrote:
I suppose that after writing to your MP. You then mailed out a check to Revenue Canada for all of the taxes that you collected on your eBay sales?

If you paid taxes on your eBay sales, you'd know that this isn't the time of year to do that.  😉

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Pierre, have you received a reply from the government yet?

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"If you paid taxes on your eBay sales, you'd know that this isn't the time of year to do that."

The time of year to pay taxes is irrelevant. If one is worried about the government collecting taxes that is due to it. Then one should make the effort to send the taxes from the vast sales that one has made. If not, one could easily get audited by opening this kind of can of worms.
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Pierrelabel,

I do not understand your POV. For Canada custums to inspect every package entering Canada would be impossible. The amount of staff needed would increase your taxation rate teven more..

- If i can buy an item cheaper outside of Canada then i should be allowed, that is the purpose of NAFTA.

_ if i want to buy grade A Canadian lumber in the USA at cheaper prices (which i can), then that should tell you something about the profit margin of the retailers here.

- If you want to support this program then buy shares in pb as if ebay don't cancel this program then their profits will balloon.

- The annoying part of most of this is that a lot of the USA sellers actually resell items that they have purchased from China and added a hefty percentage on the items and constantly overcharge the shipping costs.

i do not believe in buying "Canadian" just for the fact i am supporting a local vendor. It is all about competition and keeping the prices within reach of the average buyer. If a seller is charging high prices then you don't enable them by paying unjust prices.
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"For Canada customs to inspect every package entering Canada would be impossible"

 

It would never ever cross my mind to suggest inspecting every parcel.  Assessing taxes does not require to open every package.

 

"that is the purpose of NAFTA."

 

NAFTA has nothing to do with Canadians paying consumption taxes (GST/HST/PST).  NAFTA deals for duty and tariff.

 

"If you want to support this program"

 

???

 

As stated over and over, I do not support GSP as currently offered.  eBay blew it and you will find hundreds of posts in many threads explaining what is wrong with GSP..  This is not the subject of this thread.

 

"i do not believe in buying "Canadian" just for the fact i am supporting a local vendor."

 

I totally agree.  However, in fairness, the Canadian government should not assist foreign retailers by giving them unfair advantage.  Canadian retailers are forced by law to collect and remit consumption taxes (GST/HST/PST) as applicable. The federal government - through Canada Customs - has the same legal obligation. 

 

The problem arises when a Canadian retailer needs to collect from a Canadian consumer and remit $13 on a $100 transaction (for example) and Canada Customs fails to collect the same $13 when the goods come by mail. The $13 tax is also collected by couriers.  If Canadians can easily avoid paying consumption taxes because Canada Customs does not do the job it is legally required to do on postal parcels only, we face two results:

1) lower sales by Canadian retailers resulting in lower employment by Canadians in Canada

2) lower tax revenue collected by the federal and provincial governments resulting in increased income tax to make up the loss or lower services to Canadians.

 

 

 

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I don't see any mention in your past listings that you collect any taxes?!
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"You then mailed out a check to Revenue Canada for all of the taxes that you collected on your eBay sales?"

 

???

 

Two types of taxes we have to deal with:

 

1) GST/HST

2) Income tax

 

As far as GST/HST is concerned, based on the amount of tax payable each year, GST/HST registered sellers may have to remit monthly, quarterly or annually. From the time I registered with GST back in 1991 (until I retired in 2012), I filed my GST reports annually since a large percentage of my sales were exported (zero rated).  For GST registered sellers using a year end of December 31st (most convenient to most), the filing deadline is June 15th each year - although CRA will charge interest from April 30th if money is owed.

Now, many businesses will sell their products on a "tax included" basis.  It does not change the requirement to remit tax payable at time of filing. For example, if you purchase a Canadian Stamp News and take a look at the many advertisements of major Canadian dealers, you may notice most of them sell on a "tax included" basis (we pay the tax for you).  Different industries work differently.

 

As far as income tax is concerned, the net profit must be entered in the annual tax return as business income and added to other income (employment, investment, etc...) to reach taxable income.  Many years ago, I prepared a sample P&L that can be used by eBay sellers in their tax preparation:

http://pierrelebel.com/lists/P&L-sample.htm 

 

Typically, tax returns must be filed by April 30th each year.  CRA may require quarterly instalments depending on your income level.

 

If you have specific questions about Canadian taxation, do not hesitate to ask.

 

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Were you once a politician? I never asked anything about taxation. And you've avoided the issue. I was asking you if pay taxes on the earnings of your most recent items. You seem to be concerned that the government is missing out on a lot taxes. So surely you do your part and file all of your eBay sales on both GST/HST and income tax returns.

P.s. The link provided shows up as an error page!
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