02-13-2013 04:33 PM
Night of 'drugs and s-x' allegedly kills Canadian official in Ghana
OTTAWA — A Canadian government bureaucrat is dead after a night of "hot s-x and drugs" in a four-star hotel in the capital of the West African country of Ghana, a newspaper there reports.
Back in Ottawa, officials were being tight-lipped about the circumstances under which Darrell Prokopetz, 54, died. Prokopetz was a project director with the Canada School of Public Service, the federal organization that trains civil servants.
Government officials in Ottawa could not say Monday what Prokopetz was doing in the Ghanian capital of Accra, but The Daily Guide Ghana newspaper reported that Prokopetz was rushed to hospital on Jan. 30 "in an unconscious state after an alleged overdose of cocaine, liquor and s-x."
The newspaper did not say how it came to learn of the booze and the drugs but it did refer to an anonymous source who had seen security camera tapes at the high-end Golden Tulip Hotel where Prokopetz was staying that showed Prokopetz "chaperoning two beautiful girls separately into his hotel room."
http://www.lfpress.com/2013/02/11/night-of-drugs-and-sex-allegedly-kills-canadian-official-in-ghana
02-15-2013 08:31 PM
Nothing would give me more enjoyment, more intense pleasure, and gratification, than to comment further, but I cannot.
I guess that means that you aren't going to try it.
02-15-2013 09:03 PM
They are not the gospel.
I never said they were.
I’m not the first person nor will I be the last to stand by my beliefs and be proven right later......
02-15-2013 10:32 PM
02-15-2013 10:56 PM
and be proven right later......
What are you hoping for.......someone who sits on the fence....someone unsure of themselves.....someone who can never make up their mind? Are you hoping for someone who says they feel a certain way about a subject but they are not sure? I believe what I believe and what I believe is the same as many other people......and until viable proof is put forth otherwise, I'll continue to believe what I believe.
Do you know who Peter Joseph is? You'll probably have to look it up. He and I have faced the same type of people. I'm in good company.
02-16-2013 09:53 AM
The Zeitgeist Movement describes itself as a sustainability advocacy group based on the belief that the "monetary-market" economy must be replaced with a system in which the Earth's resources are managed, allocated and distributed through what would be considered The scientific method of reasoning problems and finding optimized solutions, also known as the Resource-based economy. Members of the movement believe that this system would lead to the elimination of debt, credit, exchange, barter, wage labor, private property and the profit motive.
Zeitgeist movement members say the current socioeconomic system is structurally corrupt and needs to be replaced with a system based on efficient and careful resource use through the technological potential of sustainable development.
The movement believes humanity can employ renewable energy and computerized automatic systems on a global scale to provide free food and other necessities. It believes machines would perform almost all of the resource allocation and labor, and humans would oversee the computers and supervise the machines.
Quite simply, it is socialism under another name. Socialism, in its purest form, is a great idea. Unfortunately, it seems to go against human nature.
Why has socialism failed? Simply because its leaders have never bought into the theory. Human beings seem to need leaders or a group of leaders. Without leaders, there is chaos. Peter Joseph is a leader, although he says he is not.
As you have said, leadership and power corrupt.
Inevitably, leaders seem to think that they are entitled to a bigger share of the pie.
So good luck in your beliefs, but until you can re-invent human beings, it will be nothing more than a pipe dream.
There is a theory out there that if you took all of the worlds wealth and possessions and divided them equally amongst everyone - within ten years, the 1% who own most of it now, would own it again. Humans differ from each other in many ways. There are those who are happy with a small slice of the pie and there are those who want to own the bakery. There are those who are generous and those who are greedy. There are those who are happy to go about their day-to-day life and for them, a happy familylife is all that they want. And, then there are those who would sacrifice everything for money and power. There are billionaires out there who want more - they could care less about the money - making more is the game to them - it is their motivation.
02-16-2013 10:00 AM
P.S., I don't disagree with the Zeitgeist Movement's ideals. It is a wonderful idea. Now all they need to do is get everyone to buy into it. They may have lots of members - as does the Catholic Church. You may think there is not a similarity, but there is. Both are a belief that many claim to buy into. Few, hoever, actually parctice it. I would guess that if you could delve into the finances of every member of the Zeitgeist Movement, you would find the whole spectrum of human nature - those who are happy with there everyday lives - and those who are striving to earn their next million.
Peter Joseph (surname unknown) is a charismatic leader. Unfortunately, to date, our experiences with charismatic leaders has not been good.
02-16-2013 11:18 AM
Strange, but more than just strange; a stronger word is needed, such as: bizarre.
bizarre (adj.) 1640s, from French bizarre "odd, fantastic" (16c.), originally "handsome, brave," perhaps from Basqu... The Online Etymologuy Dictionary
Referring of course not to the subject contained in the OP.
02-16-2013 11:21 AM
strange that Etymology got mangled into "Etymologuy". Misspelling a dictionary is just wrong.
02-16-2013 11:31 AM
Misspelling a dictionary is just wrong.
Maybe it's just a cross dressing day and your wearing your Freudian slip.
02-16-2013 12:05 PM
This is no time for levity.
02-16-2013 12:10 PM
It’s not socialism LOL. You don’t understand socialism. To begin with there are many types.
Unfortunately, it seems to go against human nature.
Yeah….greed.
Some people want to make things better, more equal, balanced, just. Others want to stay in the status-quo.
People have become so indoctrinated and so ‘boxed in’ that they have become the abused wife who feels she is the one who is wrong and her husband has every right to do what he does.
Why has socialism failed? Simply because its leaders have never bought into the theory.
The leaders in many cases did buy into the theory but, like many human beings they became greedy. Although I am not religious in the general sense, did you ever notice that the original sin.....that little incident that got those two kicked out of Eden.....was 'greed'. And since then, despite how many times we see it, despite how many times we talk abou it........no one does anything about it.
There are other reasons socialism in many cases has not worked, one is pressure from the outside, from capitalism. Make no mistake, between the two, it's a war.
but until you can re-invent human beings, it will be nothing more than a pipe dream.
The thing is you have divided life up into ‘isms’, instead of thinking out of the box to look for a balance and workable concept taking into consideration all aspects of all ideas. The concept we live under now is based on a form of slavery and subjugation. You have your hierarchy with the power and the money and those below them who are manipulated to make the money for those above. It’s a game as I have often said and you and others are the pawns. The world could be a much better place but people have bought into the idea that the status quo is all there is.
There is a theory out there that if you took all of the worlds wealth and possessions and divided them equally amongst everyone - within ten years, the 1% who own most of it now, would own it again.
That’s too simplified and probably a theory promoted by the 1%. And how could the 1% own it all again.....if they were not allowed to. We have rules in our own society. Rules based on justice and balance so that all people have equal rights. It is not equal when a politician takes money and wastes it. It is not equal when governments lie and bring people into war. It is not equal when countries take from others and muder or degrade them. It is not equal when business takes jobs away from workers to benefit themselves.
There is also a theory that everyone can have a job, something that they contribute to society. Also everyone can have whatever they want because everyone is working and each worker is making the best of whatever product there is. There is also no need for money. Money is the dividing force that separates people and creates unbalanced power and greed. It is against nature, and for the most part human kind is the only animal who does this. Too lengthy to go into here.
Humans differ from each other in many ways. There are those who are happy with a small slice of the pie and there are those who want to own the bakery. There are those who are generous and those who are greedy. There are those who are happy to go about their day-to-day life and for them, a happy familylife is all that they want. And, then there are those who would sacrifice everything for money and power. There are billionaires out there who want more - they could care less about the money - making more is the game to them - it is their motivation.
Agreed, but all of these things can still happen (well most of them). Do you like people who like money and power? Do you like the Joe Fontana’s of the world? (and he’s just small potatoes). Do you like governments who take and waste our money and never really listen to the people? Do you like governments who get people into war for their own greed or that of their friends? Do you like big business who take jobs away from people and manipulate the workforce so that they personally make more and more money while everyone else is just making ends meet?
You are like many people, probably most people, who just say this is the way people are, ho-hum and we can’t do a thing about it. You’ve lost before you even tried.
Now all they need to do is get everyone to buy into it.
And that’s what is happening….slowly.
to date, our experiences with charismatic leaders has not been good.
There are different types of ‘charisma’. Not all have been not-good. Kennedy was good, Gandhi was good, Mother Theresa was good in most ways, even the famous Christ was good (until others destroyed the basics)….and there have been many more. Those who were not good were more ‘svengalies’, the greedy.
02-16-2013 02:24 PM
They make the money, they get the power, they make the deals and you pay for it.
02-16-2013 03:52 PM
Why would I try….there’s no point…..never has been. Total waste of time.
Total waste of time to try to show respect for other people's views....that says a lot.
What are you hoping for.......someone who sits on the fence....someone unsure of themselves.....someone who can never make up their mind? Are you hoping for someone who says they feel a certain way about a subject but they are not sure? I believe what I believe and what I believe is the same as many other people......and until viable proof is put forth otherwise, I'll continue to believe what I believe.
You are talking about extremes. No one has suggested that it would be better to be unsure or wishy washy and no one has suggested that you should change your views. One can be confident about their own opinions but respect that other people may have different opinions. And that those people are just as well read, just as knowledgeable but have arrived at a different conclusions.
Or, one can be confident about their own opinions but be so arrogant as to believe that others who believe differently do so because they are sheep, they are stupid, prejudiced, or because of other generalizations that I've seen written on this board.
I don't understand why people cannot agree to disagree without putting others down. Once one person does it, then of course others are going to react and do the same thing and probably become even less receptive to the other person's views. It's a vicious circle and in the end it accomplishes nothing.
I try to be reasonably fair minded and as a rule, I don't say a lot about politics. This board often makes me want to comment just because of the lack of respect given to the different point of views. Obviously more than one person is guilty of doing that...as I said, it becomes a vicious circle.
02-16-2013 03:56 PM
Do you know who Peter Joseph is? You'll probably have to look it up. He and I have faced the same type of people. I'm in good company.
Yes I see that you quoted him earlier though at the time I thought it was your own quote.
."Anyone who chooses to challenge establishment, traditional views, not to mention the system that we live in, sets themselves up for vehement attacks."
It seems that you and him have some similar theories.There's certainly nothing wrong with that but it did bring up a question in my mind. He has said that people have become so indoctrinated by the media, governments and financial institutions that they can not think for themselves.
So let's say that his followers believe that theory and believe in other things that he has said. Perhaps they are really the ones who are so indoctrinated that they can't think for themselves? Who's to say that just because a person forms some of their opinions based on information from a, b and c is being led more so than someone who forms some of their opinions based on information from x, y and z?
In other words...perhaps the one who says that others are being led is saying that so that people will buy into their beliefs or perhaps they are really the one being led. Just a thought.
I prefer to think that most people draw their opinions from various sources and from life experiences and then base their conclusions on a number of factors. Our perceptions tend to change over time because we are exposed to more information and we have more life experience. That is what makes us thinking individuals...not sheep.
02-16-2013 04:25 PM
Now all they need to do is get everyone to buy into it.
And that’s what is happening….slowly.
Thanks. You have argued my point very well.
I see nothing wrong with the idea presented by The Zeitgeist Movement.
But human nature will pevent it from succeeding.
You can make all the rules you want to prevent someone from taking too big a slice of the pie.
We see the rules we have broken every day. Politicians break them. The movers and the shakers with big bank accounts and expensive lawyers break them all the time. The only way you will eliminate these people from society is to shoot them. Human nature - generosity and greed, love and hate, peace and war - they all exist because of human nature.
We would need a lot of lobotomies to change the natural instincts of a lot of people.
02-16-2013 04:25 PM
"...perhaps the one who says that others are being led is saying that so that people will buy into their beliefs..."
.....and then they can become a cult leader with a bunch of clones.
02-16-2013 04:43 PM
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Now all they need to do is get everyone to buy into it.
And that’s what is happening….slowly.
JHuman nature - generosity and greed, love and hate, peace and war - they all exist because of human nature.
The prophet Jeremiah: 179 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?
02-16-2013 04:46 PM
Weird - the previewed post is very different when posted. iPad learning curve brevity thing.
02-16-2013 05:13 PM
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I never said that. I said it would be a waste of time to explain.
but respect that other people may have different opinions.
I do not disrespect others opinions…..I just vehemently disagree some of them….at which point some people consider that something they don't like.
However I will never apologize for my views on bigots or racists or the greedy or anyone promoting hatred towards others based on race, religion or colour.
as to believe that others who believe differently do so because they are…..etc etc
But they are. They just don’t see it and certainly don’t want to admit it. Not an uncommon attribute.
The prophet Jeremiah: 179 “The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it?”
Speaking of indoctrination! Religion gets the academy award.
Enjoy what you believe….be my guest. The world and the people in it are much larger. I had a great discussion today with a Hindu doctor, an forensic anthropologist and an 87 year old artist, all in the same room. It was a........... pleasure.
As for Peter Joseph, I hadn't even heard of him until three days ago. I found it interesting that his views and mine, ones that I have held for many years, were very similar.
02-16-2013 08:04 PM
I think Jeremiah didn't subscribe to the "people are basically good" mumbo jumbo.