
02-06-2013 02:47 PM
Anybody else get invited to this?
They deal with all customs forms, etc by shipping to a US address? Feedback is protected from low ratings etc?
What the heck are they talking about?
I said yes, and now they are going to revise all my listings. I don't understand this nebulous program. Can anybody sum it up gracefully?
Thank you!
05-24-2013 06:03 AM
Import charges by Destination.... for the book priced at $375.00
Several postal codes were used to determine if the charges varied by destination
Winnipeg, MB...$50.56.... GST + PST = 12 %
Victoria BC...$50.56 ...GST + PST = 12 %
Toronto and Ottawa ON ... $54.49 ... GST + PST = 13 %
Halifax NS ... $62.36 .... GST + PST = 15 %
and finally
Calgary and Edmonton, AB... $23.02.... GST = 5 %... no PST
Toronto minus Winnipeg = $54.49 - $50.56 = $3.93... close but not quite equal to 1 % of the price of $375.00
Halifax minus Edmonton $62.36 - $23.02 = $39.34, with a tax difference of 10 percentage points..and a difference 10 times that for Toronto and Winnipeg which is one percentage point.
10 % of the price of $375.00 Is $37.50
The above numbers confirm that a book coming from the US is not exempt from PST or the Provincial component of HST.
and that GST or HST are included in the GSP import charge...
05-24-2013 06:18 AM
For that $375.00 book....
Domestic shipping is $25.00 for all US destinations.
That $40.84 value is international shipping
And then shipping to the UK is International priority shipping for $46.92,
with a GSP import charge of $88.28
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My book, using Canada Post Priority Worldwide (an airmail option), with insurance and signature would have been $135.00 US...
very similar to the total... base cost + GSP of $135.20 ($46.92 + $88.28)for that $375.00 book...
05-24-2013 12:58 PM
Wow..I obviously didn't do the math to figure out the pst amount last night...for some reason it didn't occur to me that the difference would be that much.
05-25-2013 09:46 AM
Cannot buy from sellers listed in this program as extra fees are unnecessary in a lot of cases! Canada Customs usually does NOT charge on $39.00 USD or under!
05-25-2013 04:13 PM
Cannot buy from sellers listed in this program as extra fees are unnecessary in a lot of cases! Canada Customs usually does NOT charge on $39.00 USD or under!
But..in some cases the shipping fees on a GSP listing are less so even after you add shipping and import fee together, you may be paying less than what another seller is charging just for shipping.
I'm not really happy about the GSP but but it isn't fair to say that all GSP listings are higher....you have to compare the total costs.
05-27-2013 11:59 AM
The fee's paid by the buyer for this program... take a look Canadian Buyers... Refuse to buy from sellers using this program!!!
Description of Program Fees. The following shipping and import charges (collectively, the “Program Fees”) apply to your purchases of GSP Items:
U.S. shipping fee: the amount (if any) charged by your Seller to ship the GSP Item to the U.S. Shipping Center;
International shipping fee: a variable fee covering shipment of your order by the third party shipping carrier selected by Pitney Bowes from the U.S. Shipping Center to the delivery address designated by you, including applicable miscellaneous third party charges and fees;
05-27-2013 12:26 PM
Sometimes, you need to look at the bigger picture.
I am interested in an older edition of Les Miserables (book) (US$45).
International Priority Shipping is US$ 13.51
Import charges $ 9.47 (includes taxes and brokerage fee).
That is cheaper than if the seller shipped directly to me with Canada Post charging a brokerage fee of $9.95 plus applicable taxes.
As stated many times before, eBay's GSP is not for everyone or for most items. NO.
However, at times it may be a cheaper option for a Canadian buyer, depending on the item.
05-27-2013 03:23 PM
Your example may be true theoretically but in reality, 90%+% of the time if sent by USPS/Canada Post, nothing would be assessed.
Would you seriously consider the GSP sellers for your book or would you go with a non-GSP seller if the item was the same condition knowing that there was a 9 to 1 odds of not being assessed anything extra?
Most buyers would take the 9 to 1 odds of a non-GSP seller item being free of assessment when it arrives.
05-27-2013 03:25 PM
"90%+% of the time if sent by USPS/Canada Post, nothing would be assessed."
Not when mailed by USPS Priority. Most are in fact properly assessed.
05-27-2013 07:22 PM
"90%+% of the time if sent by USPS/Canada Post, nothing would be assessed."
Not when mailed by USPS Priority. Most are in fact properly assessed.
Wrong again. Nothing personal, but I have to wonder what your motivation is for defending the GSP. I mean . . . I understand where you're coming from, and UPS and FedEx are worse, but you seem to want to go out of your way to concoct an argument to bolster the GSP. And yes, I read your comment, "As stated many times before, eBay's GSP is not for everyone or for most items. NO. However, at times it may be a cheaper option for a Canadian buyer, depending on the item."
Still it seems like your just engaging in one of those "I'm going to prove everybody wrong because I want to be contrary and I dislike other people being right" kind of things.
Anyway . . . here's the facts about the incidence of Canada Post collecting tax on items delivered from the U.S. to Canada. I have all my purchases in a spreadsheet.This is for about 270 pieces in total of musical equipment (items ranging from $40 to $2,500) bought during the past 2 & 1/2 years. I added up the figures for the 86 items I've purchased from the U.S. All of these were delivered via USPS/Canada Post. I won't buy from sellers who use UPS or FedEx.
Total number of Items purchased from the U.S. - 86
Number of items where no tax was collected - 67
Number of items where tax was collected - 19
In percentages:
Percentage of items where no tax was collected - 77.9%
Percentage of itemswhere tax was collected - 22.1%
This only applies to "higher-priced" musical items. I also purchase about 1,000 CDs, and did not include them, because regardless of value (usually about $10 to $15, but sometimes as high as $75 to $100 for rarer items), tax was only collected on a handful.
So, when we're talking about how often Canada Post collects tax, the approximate ratio is about 1 times out of 5.
BTW--the incidence of U.S. buyers paying tax or duty on items shipped from Canada is virtually 0%.
So, again I ask . . .
Why would Canadian and International buyers volunteer to pay tax and customs charges up front via the GSP when there's only a 1 in 5 chance the government in charge of this would collect?
And, considering U.S. buyers virtually never pay tax or duty, how could anyone hypocritically defend a system that is so heavily weighted against Canadian and International sellers. "What's good for the goose is good for the gander".
05-28-2013 02:09 AM
rockandroll...Were all of those items sent Priority?
I've found that first class international will rarely get taxed but whenever I receive a package that was sent USPS Priority, I always have to pay the gst and the $9.95 handling fee. But it is very rare for a package sent with USPS to be assessed duty.
05-28-2013 05:00 AM
rockandroll...Were all of those items sent Priority?
I've found that first class international will rarely get taxed but whenever I receive a package that was sent USPS Priority, I always have to pay the gst and the $9.95 handling fee. But it is very rare for a package sent with USPS to be assessed duty.
Of the 86 items I cited, I know for certain the shipping method for 66 of them (I'd have to go over every single purchase in my separate E-Mail folders to get exact info for each and every one). Plus, I'm not including another 32 items I since sold . . . they're in a different spreadsheet, and I didn't keep the exact breakdown of shipping and tax for those . . . only the grand total I paid.
Anyway . . . the breakdown is as such for the 66 items purchased from the U.S. that I'm certain of the shipping method:
35 were sent via First Class Mail International:
Of those, 27 were not charged tax (77%) and 8 were charged tax (23%)
31 were sent Priority Mail International:
Of those, 21 were not charged tax (68%) and 11 were charged tax (32%)
On a side note, although a few First Class items valued at $50 to $100 were indeed charged tax, among the Priority Mail items that were not charged tax were:
$225 Amp Head
$325 Guitar Pedal
$365 Attenuator
$315 Microphone
$425 Mixing Console
$1,200 Electric Guitar
$1,300 Guitar Amp
$1,950 Electric Guitar
Most of the Priority Items that were not charged tax were in the $50 to $200 range. I did get dinged on tax for a higher percentage of expensive items than "sub $200" items, but my best ballpark is that I was charged tax on expensive items perhaps 25% more often than cheaper items.
I guess my best conclusion might be that if I buy a $1,000 item, I do indeed plan on paying tax as part of the budget, but only end up paying about 40% of the time maximum. For items around $200, I only end up paying tax about 15% of the time maximum.
Put another way . . . if I had been paying full tax on all (or most) of my purchases from the U.S. consistently throughout that past 2 & 1/2 years, I would have stopped buying from the U.S. long ago (obviously) and restricted my purchases to Canadian sellers (even if I had to pay tax) to save on shipping costs and currency exchange.
Therefore, being forced to pay tax on items from the U.S. via the GSP means I obviously won't be buying those items unless the selling price is extremely attractive. I'd rather roll the dice with direct USPS shipping because frankly, I like my money in my pocket.
I don't feel guilty about this in the least because of the thousands of dollars of stuff I've sold to U.S. buyers, not one has ever reported paying tax or extra charges.
If the guy in Texas who bought a $4,000 Custom Shop guitar from me about a year or so ago had ended up paying an extra $700 to $800 on top of the sale price + shipping, I can guarantee he'd never buy from Canada again. Same goes for me in reverse (without malice, of course). It's simply a matter of practicality and numbers.
One last thought . . . if the Canadian government wanted to increase eBay sales and revenue within Canada, they could simply clamp down on charging tax, and thus drive Canadian buyers to Canadian sellers. Although, if the U.S. did the same, I suspect there would be reams of Canadian sellers out of business in a heartbeat.
So, before anyone tries to justify the GSP as it applies to Canadian buyers, just think about the prospect losing your business if the U.S. did the same. I suspect the loss of 320 million potential buyers would be the death knell for the bulk of Canadian sellers. To be fair and more-or-less accurate, 320 million is high, but whatever the number of U.S. eBay consumers there are out of 320 million would be the market you'd lose.
05-28-2013 09:34 AM
I have had hundreds of eBay items sent from the US to Canada by both USPS First Class and Priority, and only a handful have been "caught" and charged anything at all, and this includes items valued at more than $100.00. Usually the only ones they touch are very large and heavy items. I do not even bother to put an item on my watch list that will be sent using the Global Shipping rip-off.
05-29-2013 04:39 AM
I have had hundreds of eBay items sent from the US to Canada by both USPS First Class and Priority, and only a handful have been "caught" and charged anything at all, and this includes items valued at more than $100.00. Usually the only ones they touch are very large and heavy items. I do not even bother to put an item on my watch list that will be sent using the Global Shipping rip-off.
That's the spirit!
Despite the "iffy" pro vs con discussions about whether GSP is equal to or rarely cheaper than direct USPS shipping, the bottom line is eBay.com and Pitney Bowes have absolutely no business meddling in Canadian tax and customs affairs. It's our domain, and we can leave it to our own government to handle things (however competently or incompetently that may be).
It's a horrible idea with little or no upside, and just plain wrong. As I've said numerous times, if U.S buyers were forced by eBay.ca to pay taxes in their home states up-front and pay extra charges for "processing", Canadian sellers would go bankrupt in a nanosecond.
And, as I've said, the same goes for UPS and FedEx. Both those companies suck money from our pockets like leeches. Any U.S. seller who uses GSP, UPS or FedEx will NEVER get my business unless their selling price is so competitive that it makes up the difference (and pigs will fly when that happens).
05-29-2013 01:02 PM
for american sellers! If you want to ship to Canada don't use this crap. I never knew about it and ordered a 300$ item with this crappy shipping service. I'm tempted giving the seller negative feedback with a nice comment just because he uses it. I just don't know what to do. Takes longer, tracking is crap, over charge.
05-29-2013 07:44 PM
Well waddya know . . .
Just received a $140 guitar pedal (a Rocktron "Talk Box") from eBay U.S. in a 14" x 12" x 6" box declared at the full value from a non-GSP seller. Shipping cost was $35 via USPS Priority Mail International which was delivered Xpress Post by Canada Post once it cleared the border.
Canada Post just dropped it off at my house while I was out, and guess what . . . no tax, no customs processing fee, no extra charges.
Darn . . . wish I'd used a GSP seller so I could have paid the tax and processing so many are claiming is always (or often) collected. Rats . . . I just saved at least $25 or so. I feel like a chump [sarcasm].
05-29-2013 08:24 PM
You can always forward the right amount to the Canada Revenue Agency..
I am sure they would appreciate your honesty.
Would be interesting if everyone that was not charged anything when the parcel crossed the border, paid up what was estimated to be owed.....
Wonder how many millions of dollars CRA is losing ?
05-29-2013 08:44 PM
You can always forward the right amount to the Canada Revenue Agency..
I am sure they would appreciate your honesty.
Would be interesting if everyone that was not charged anything when the parcel crossed the border, paid up what was estimated to be owed.....
Wonder how many millions of dollars CRA is losing ?
What a ridiculous thing to say. It's up to the government to determine if they charge me tax or not. In these cases, I am a non-participating and neutral party in the transaction. It's up to the government to initiate action to collect, not up to me to process and remit any taxes or duty that are not levied. It's not like a tax return or retail sale subject to GST or HST . . . I simply receive the goods and pay whatever (if any) taxes or charges the government has levied. There is no law that says a buyer of goods from outside the must pay tax or duty if those charges are not requested by the government agency in charge. Sheesh . . .
And, as I've said before, I wonder if U.S. buyers who purchased goods from Canadian sellers, but weren't asked to pay state tax (which is never), would be held to the same sanctimonious high standards as you seem to apply to Canadians.
Get a grip . . .
05-29-2013 09:49 PM
05-29-2013 10:09 PM
I think you misunderstood the message. I may be wrong, but I think cumos55 was just being sarcastic, just like you were in post #255...
Yeah . . . I thought that might have been the case after I replied. Got a bit busy but was just gonna apologize if needed.
Thanks for the heads-up . . . I didn't initially read his tone as tongue-in-cheek, but if I was wrong, my sincerest apologies, cumos55.