Questions regarding Return/Refund process...

Hi all,

 

I have some questions regarding the return/refund process for a recent purchase. Thankfully, most of my transactions

have been trouble free, rarely have I needed ebay to 'step in'. I am hoping someone can advise me if I am going about

this correctly and what to expect.

 

I will mention that I am in Canada and the seller is also in Canada. About a year ago I had a almost identical

return/refund situation. At that time ebay didn't issue return postage labels for Canada (Do they offer that now?) and

despite ebay's assurance that I would be covered for return shipping, I was never compensated. When I inquired about the

Return Shipping refund I was aggressively berated by the ebay customer service rep despite following the exact return

instructions provided by ebay. That was surprising and unexpected.

 

So I guess I am a little worried and want to do this right.

 

Here are the details of the transaction: I have been looking for a certain model of guitar and a used one pops up in

Canada. Seller has zero feedback. I have had many great transactions with zero feedback sellers, but I like to do a bit

of pre-purchase checking to see if anything seems obviously sketchy. The listing has a photo that does not appear to be

a stock image. I did a quick google search and did't find a similar photo. I conclude that the photo is likely legit.

Great, it's the exact model I want. The description is very brief but that isn't uncommon. I pull the trigger and in a

few days the item gets shipped, so far so good.

 

Guitar arrives, it's not the one pictured in the listing...It's similar but not the model I wanted. Different pickup

system, in fact, exactly the guitar I did not want. I go to the ebay website and click "Return Item". I provide photo's

of the guitar I received as well as the listing photo. The differences are quite obvious. Shortly thereafter I get a

message, "Seller does not accept Returns, try to work it out with seller". I contact the seller and in a friendly and

informative way explain the situation, we exchange several messages on the matter. The end result being that the seller

insisting that he has done nothing wrong, no returns but would refund the shipping amount and I can keep the guitar. I

don't want the guitar he sent. I asked for a complete refund and would happily return the guitar at his expense.

 

The ebay Return process indicates that they can be contacted to 'step in' later this week. I will certainly be

contacting them. Have I done this right? Should I have skipped the "Return" process and opened a SNAD dispute instead?


How should I expect ebay to handle this situation?

 

Any advice or thoughts appreciated. I think I am doing things right but...

 

Thank you for your time!

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Yes. You should have used Not As Described.

The Return process is for 'buyer's remorse' and in this case does not fit.

 

Since you went for Return (and I can understand why you were confused) and the seller does not offer returns, you basically lost the case.

 

Now you can go to Paypal, but the return shipping is the problem.

EBay (in NAD cases) requires the seller to provide a return shipping label. But the Dispute period is only 30 days from delivery.

 

Paypal has a much more generous Dispute period, 180 days from Payment, but they have always insisted that the Buyer pay return shipping.

 

So there's your choice.

  • Accept the shipping cost from the seller and keep (or resell) the unwanted guitar .
  • Open a PP dispute, and pay the return postage yourself.

If you do that here are some hints"

  • the PP Resolution Centre is at the top of the page under Tools
  • choose Not As Described as your reason (duh....)
  • PP encourages you to contact the seller, since you have already done that, skip that suggestion
  • escalate to a Claim
  • return the guitar using a Confirmed Delivery service
  • https://www.canadapost.ca/cpotools/apps/far/business/findARate?execution=e1s1
  • when you go to the PO with this, ask about Small Business Solutions and get a card. There are discounts on parcel shipping! (if you have been selling on eBay, you may do even better with a PP shipping label or with the new Shippo service)

 

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Oh no!

 

Thanks for the info, much appreciated.

 

Just for clarification, when I filed the return I selected "Item not as described" and submitted the pics for proof. Does that count for anything?

 

Thank you.

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The pictures don't.

 

Your word is all that eBay uses. And of course the seller's.

 

But if you did use NAD, then the seller is negotiating.

But eBay has the last word.

Refuse the seller's offer, and do it in the Dispute.

Then ask eBay to step in and escalate to a Claim.

You should be getting a return shipping label. If not the seller loses the Claim and you are refunded (whether he likes it or not, eBay has control of his money) (and yours and mine since I notice we are both sellers).

 

There is some question about whether or not eBay will require you to return the guitar.

If you are refunded, you cannot ethically keep it. Nor can you sell it and keep the money, again ethically. The legal status is not in my ken.

But that's a question for another day.

 

 

 

Oh yeah-- Return Shipping Labels don't come from eBay. They are purchased by the seller from Canada Post or a courier.

 

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Mr Brian A Foulds
Please contact me at your earliest convenience as I still have not received the guitar back . Legal action will be taken as you've blocked me on the site and eBay is looking into this case .

I suggest you reply asap so we can sort this matter.

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@jonolach5 wrote:
Mr Brian A Foulds
Please contact me at your earliest convenience as I still have not received the guitar back . Legal action will be taken as you've blocked me on the site and eBay is looking into this case .

I suggest you reply asap so we can sort this matter.


The majority of ebayers do not read the discussion boards so it is unlikely that this person will see your post.  Were you the seller? Did you refund the buyer before you received an item back?
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Please contact me at your earliest convenience as I still have not received the guitar back .

 

Are you the seller that tonewoody was dealing with earlier?

If not, please start your own thread.

 

If you are, you are entitled to demand a return before refunding.

If the item has not been returned, you are not required to refund.

 

Neither party can have both the item and the money, being the principle here.

 

 

 

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Yes I am the seller he was buyer he has blocked me and not answering any of emails or anything . Not sure what to do ... I do have his address and # I can have the police involved can I not ? This is theft ... Not sure what to do 

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I'm the seller he said he had everything ready to go and shipped so j refund the money . To my Surprise he blocked me and I never heard back or anything . I'm very very disappointed with his behavior as an adult who likes to rip people off online. How ridiculous are you. He complained to u guys and then steals my item . I'm disgusted
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This is getting interesting.

 

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Unfortunately, you may have given the buyer a gift.

He also just landed on several Blocked Buyer Lists.

 

You may have to take this one to Small Claims Court.

You don't need a lawyer. The only time I used it, filing was $25, but that was over 20 years ago.

You and the defendant (if present) present your case in front of a real judge who can either make a legal judgement or mediate a sentiment.

 

Best wishes.

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Is it really worth it to take to court I mean hell if he sends the guitar back im happy. It's not if sentimental value to me. But as he complained and wanted a refund now he's screwing me over. I'll give it a few days, if nothing then I'll take further action. Teach this scumbag a lesson as I've read some other posts of his which almost are similar to mine.
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It may catch his attention.

And it might be cheaper than a lawyer's letter.

 

Because you sent the refund before the return, you may have messed up any theft charges.

Or on the bright side, he may just be letting you stew, because he is mad at you, and will eventually (I hope sooner) return the guitar.

 

You can also ask Paypal to cancel the refund if it has not been accepted. Just in case.

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It's been accepted that's when he blocked me. Guess I'll take a loss and learn from it. Im in Ontario he's in Yukon territories so probably a pricey cost for court fees.

I do appreciate the feedback and help though
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Well, no.

It would be costly for him to travel to Ontario to appear at the hearing.

You don't have to go to the Territories.

 

Perhaps a collection agency?

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Not really sure how id go about all of it . Besides I'll let it go i suppose , not cause I don't wanna try and get it back , bit because I have a small family I'm more concerned about then dealing with this guy. Can't believe some people.
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@reallynicestamps wrote:

Yes. You should have used Not As Described.



I disagree. Totally. The first thing to do is try to work it out with the seller. Give him a chance to make things right. If he doesn't - then and only then - open a claim. Just like feedback is the last thing to do when a transaction goes wrong, communication is the FIRST thing to do!

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Sorry, didn't read the whole thread before responding. Still, my response would be the same... except maybe not open a return request, but just send a message to work things out...

 

Hope this buyer will do the right thing and return the guitar like he wanted to do in the first place.

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It's been two months now ... He's long gone
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This is certainly a, um, interesting development given the nature of this thread from a year and a half ago:

https://community.ebay.ca/t5/Buyer-Central/Canada-Not-as-Described-Return-Part-2-How-to-contact-CS-t...

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@marnotom! wrote:

This is certainly a, um, interesting development given the nature of this thread from a year and a half ago:

https://community.ebay.ca/t5/Buyer-Central/Canada-Not-as-Described-Return-Part-2-How-to-contact-CS-t...


My gosh... this buyer seems to be a professional scammer....

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