Canada Post offer "Ceasefire" until January 31st

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Canada Post offer "Ceasefire" until January 31st

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Canada Post offer "Ceasefire" until January 31st

CUPW has added new locations to their rotation strike.

 

CUPW chose not to agree to end negotiations in relation to the the November 17 deadline.

 

CUPW knows they have Canada Post in big trouble,  and they are not going to stop strike action.

 

This current situation is CUPW acting like the tail that wags the dog.  The only way to control CUPW is to cut the tail off...  and the dog will survive.

 

Canada Post must be allowed to control its own destiny, without anyone interfering with anything Canada Post wants to do.

 

The Government must shut down the strike... without question... and then find a way to put Canada Post  in a position of control,  where CUPW...  MUST ... work with Canada Post to make things right.

 

Canada Post provides an essential service for on-line sellers and buyers.  This must be recognized  by CUPW and the Government.

 

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Write the Prime Minister’s Office:

https://pm.gc.ca/eng/connect
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When things are running on schedule the normal procedure is first in...first out. Has anyone spotted anything in the news updates this is still the case or is everything being processed in some variation, random order? Possibly wayyy too many wrenches throwing things off right now. There should be procedures in place for this kind of abnormal occurrence. All I know is I wouldn't want a job at a Canadapost call centre dealing with frustrated customers!!! You can only say "You'll get it when you get it" so many times before it drains the life out of you!!! I had one parcel sit somewhere in Montreal for delivery, to just outside of Montreal for 6 days. Fortunately, the customer was awesome and understanding. relieved but not all customers are that patient!!!

 

-CM

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Canada Post offer "Ceasefire" until January 31st

Four points on this offer of a "cooling off" period: 

 

1)  This is only a proposal -- by Canada Post, not the union -- the deadline for acceptance being 5:00 p.m. today.  My sense is that CUPW knows it has totally disrupted Canada Post (and Canadians, judging from its recent despicable comment about that "accomplishment") and are probably feeling that they're in a control position, with the whole country over a barrel.  I'd be quite surprised to see them get off their high horse now (pardon the mixed metaphors). 

 

2)  Didn't we go through a "cooling off" period last time?  The result was that the parties just took up their former positions afterward.  It didn't seem to help in making the parties reflect on the situation, if that's part of the hope. 

 

3)  A ceasefire until January 31st won't help online sellers one jot with respect to holiday deliveries.  How long do we imagine it will take postal workers to clear a nearly one-month backlog?   By the time they get it all up to speed again, it will be January 31st.  Nobody is going to receive their Christmas purchases in time.  

 

4)  Unlike the last dispute, CUPW chose the perfect season (from their perspective) to grind the postal system to a halt, to create the maximum pain for everybody.  My guess is that they're not going to give up that destructive momentum now.  I hope I'm wrong in this.  But I expect their calculation might be -- let the government legislate us back to work, and then we can really  complain, and (by the way) plan another strike next year. 

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@momcqueen wrote:
Write the Prime Minister’s Office:
https://pm.gc.ca/eng/connect

Aside from being unable to send a letter through the mails just now (more useful than an electronic message), FWIW you can also send a tweet to the PM:  https://twitter.com/CanadianPM 

 

But be aware that as an individual citizen writing or tweeting, your missive, along with the thousands of others received each day, will be handled and sorted en masse by topic, by lower-level staff members (or perhaps even bots these days).  It will likely never receive a response or ever come to the Prime Minister's attention, except as a data summary.   If you do get a reply (but only if you mail your letter -- impossible at the moment!) it will be a form letter produced by a machine, with a machine-facsimile of the PM's signature, if at all.  

 

Nonetheless, sometimes the sheer volume on one subject or one opinion can influence policy and action by the government.   This happened during the seal hunt issue many years ago, when the PMO ended up with an entire room of boxes filled with letters which nobody read through.  As soon as the word "seal hunt" appeared in a letter, into the boxes it went.  All this correspondence was processed via form letters and facsimile signatures over succeeding months.   

 

The far more effective way of being heard and taken into account is to be a member of a larger organization writing or contacting the Prime Minister.  I see eBay has already done that, via a public statement, as I would expect other big online venues and retailers will have done. 

 

Another effective way to have your voice heard on a subject is to contact your own MP.  A deluge of phone calls, emails or visits to an MP by the citizenry of her or his constituency will most certainly be passed along in some manner, in a more direct way than any individual letter to the Prime Minister would be.  If you're really lucky, maybe your MP will happen to be the Minister of Labour. 

 

I have some insight into these matters as I worked in the PMO as a correspondence officer many years ago.   Aside from the factor of electronic mail, I doubt the management of incoming correspondence has changed much.   Correspondence I was responsible for had already been through triage to remove mass issues and true VIP correspondence.  But even the mid-level organizations and groups I was tasked to reply to (which got mostly boilerplate replies with facsimile signatures) never came directly to the PM's attention, except by way of a weekly summary. 

 

So I think we're still better off being represented to the Prime Minister by a big organization with some clout (i.e. eBay) that will have an impact and be noticed.  That is, as long as they keep it up.  But tweeting or emailing a personal note to the PM will add to the data pile on the subject. 

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Yep. I know. I worked for the governing political party here too. (After I left journalism.) That’s why I recommend ccing local media as well. Those folks never stop sniffing for stories.
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CUPW has already rejected the cooling off period offer.

 

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Canada Post offer "Ceasefire" until January 31st

From the CBC piece:

More than 200,000 Canadian businesses rely on Canada Post to ship goods to customers, and many of the smaller ones will be left in a lurch, says Andrea Stairs, general manager for online selling marketplace eBay Canada.

"The big guys can figure out alternative shipping arrangements, and they can afford them," Stairs said. "The little guys are the ones that have real difficulty with that."

Strike prompts Canada Post to ask foreign services to stop sending mail
Small shops that sell goods across the country on eBay rely on Canada Post to ship between 80 to 90 per cent of everything they sell, Stairs said.

"If the postal system breaks, businesses have real consequences," Stairs said.
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Totally agree with you Rose so it comes as no surprise to see that the union rejected the cooling off period offer. It is really too late for the Christmas season now anyway. I still can't believe that the union did not take that last offer to the workers. Seems to me that it is the tail wagging the dog. This union always has been like this - I would not want to be a member of it as I am not sure that they are always doing what is best for the workers.

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With rotating strikes, CUPW is happy to keep the mail moving, and they cannot be blamed for a total stoppage of mail.

 

In contrast, if Canada Post orders a total lockdown,  then everyone would blame Canada Post for stopping all of the mail.

 

and... The union would not be given blame for a lockdown....

 

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@cumos55 wrote:

With rotating strikes, CUPW is happy to keep the mail moving, and they cannot be blamed for a total stoppage of mail.

 

In contrast, if Canada Post orders a total lockdown,  then everyone would blame Canada Post for stopping all of the mail.

 

and... The union would not be given blame for a lockdown....

 


Hmmm....I think that many would still blame the union if Canada Post locked them out.

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Black Friday is a few days away...

 

and then, shortly thereafter  it will be a Black Christmas....

 

The Government MUST take control of the situation.... with options...

(1) Legislate the workers back to work

(2) Declare Canada Post an essential service

(3) Privatize Canada Post..... no longer a Crown Corporation... but with a few guidelines, perhaps

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Blame the union..... Because they keep saying "NO"..... to anything Canada Post says...

 

Right now the problem appears to be totally in 2018...

 

But it is important to recognize everything started in January 2016, with the possibility of a strike in July-August of 2016.

 

 

Then came the Canada Post Review....  

 

The pension situation was legislated in 2017, and is not a problem in 2018. 

 

..... and now we have rotating strikes... and a union that keeps saying "NO"

 

Those who know about and understand the current situation will blame the union 100 %

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