02-07-2013 05:42 PM
“Legalizing and taxing and regulating not only does a better job of keeping it out of the hands of criminal gangs…but it actually does a better job of keeping it out of the hands of our kids.”
A line from Justin Trudeau at Western in London.
How does legalizing pot keep it out of the hands of kids?
They have no trouble buying it now when it is illegal.
It will be easier for them to get when it is legal.
Kids get booze because older kids or even from parents.
Kids steal prescription drugs from their parents.
Now, mom and dad will be able to leave thier stash around the house rather than hide it.
Kids will always find a way to get what they want, whether legally or illegally.
Legalizing pot will not help keep it "out of the hands of our kids".
02-07-2013 05:48 PM
Will they want to do it if it is legal?
Some of the appeal is the fact that it is illegal.
02-07-2013 06:43 PM
agree with Lurk on that point
Just thinking though... say some kids are no longer as attracted to pot if it became legal and lost some of the thrill factor... then would there be a significant number of youth who would turn to other, quite possibly more dangerous adventures, for their thrills?
Another factor may be that prices would likely be reduced - also opening the door to more usage...
But there may also be other ways that legalizing would reduce usage by young people - someone may bring up links to some studies...
02-07-2013 06:52 PM
Some of the appeal is the fact that it is illegal.
Yeah, but people are basically good, so they naturally avoid illegal activities.
02-07-2013 07:11 PM
Well better to have someone smoking pot then drinking or taking tylonal or advil...
Pot it the most harmless thing out there and hemp is a miracle plant that is grow3n quicker then anything else out there...
Kids will be kids this should not be an issaue or a factor when debating the legalization of the Miracle plant because it does not matter what you do with it kids will smoke it if they decide to ... There is nothing god or bad of overbearing parents can do ...
I never want my kid to smoke pot or drink but will they ..Most likely they will regardless of what I do or the goverment does..
The amount of money the goverment can make is well worth it so much so tyhat maybe by dfoing this we can avoid a future tax hike ....
really if you are trulky educated on pot you would be all over legalizing it ..
I mean really do you know how many of our tax dollarts go towards locking up teenager who were probably on there way home to eat a big bag of chips and way too much candy ... MILLIONS of Wasted tax dollars
02-07-2013 07:16 PM
really if you are trulky educated on pot you would be all over legalizing it
That statement reminds me of what someone else on the forum often says.(not necessarily about pot though) :^O
02-07-2013 07:36 PM
02-07-2013 07:49 PM
just a guess pj but that comment was for prior ...
it is true though from the stem to the bud everything can be used with hemp being one of the best high quality fibres available and growing it is quick and easy which means we can save some trees too....
Save tax dollars
make more in taxes
help save the forest
Educated the uneducated and be rid of all thje myths about pot ...
For me most important as an ex pot smoker is to have the education of what it really does and reallyy affects will be right there in everybodies face ...
If people knew all the crap that lead to the so called scientific proof all the supposed side effects they would think these people were on crack seriously messed up stuff..
02-07-2013 07:53 PM
I'll be back but not for a few hrs everything is happening so slowly right nowwwwwwww
02-07-2013 07:56 PM
02-07-2013 08:16 PM
damn the government sells it....they call it medical................
02-07-2013 08:23 PM
ya This is about selling it like booze or smokes which pot should not really even be mentioned in the same sentence as those 2 killer habits but were not talking about selling it medically just selling it over the counter with and age limit..
02-08-2013 02:19 AM
pot, booze, cigarettes
Which is worse for children?
Which is worse for adults?
Which is worse for you?
02-08-2013 02:44 AM
The only thing bad about pot is that fact that your smoking plant matter ,Maybe eat a little too afterwards so Cigarettes then booze then about 1000 over the counter medications then about 1000 different foods and then pot ...
Myths
Smoking pot at a young age Messes with your brain
Can cause physcosis
Causes Cancer POSSIBLE but anything you smoke can do that
The only Thing I would say not to do is if your not a pot head don't smoke up and go for a drive because if your not use to it so you will get high as kite but for a true pot head it does not effect much when used responsibly but like anything too much will impair anyone ...
I was a pot head from the ages 11-23 years old ..
I passed grade school,highschool and college high
I passed all my drivers test high
I have never been overweight
I never slept past 7 am unless I got drunk never even used an alarm in highschool
I was the top in track in field in my highschool
I have had a job sense I was like 10 and 2 jobs sense I was like 15
Pot used responsibly is just like yoga TIME TO RELAX AND ENJOY AND LOSING UP A LITTLE LMAO
02-08-2013 08:42 PM
Marijuana Linked to Increased Stroke Risk
Two new studies add to the confusion over the health effects of marijuana.
In one presentation to the American Stroke Association’s International Stroke Conference, researchers from the University of Auckland in New Zealand found an increased risk of stroke among those smoking marijuana compared to those who did not, while research published in the American Heart Journal said marijuana users who had heart attacks were no more likely to die than those those hadn’t smoked cannabis.
The stroke study, which incorporated preliminary data, is the first trial of its kind to study a possible connection between marijuana use and stroke. It included 160 patients aged 18 to 55 who had suffered a stroke connected to a blood clot in the brain, and who agreed to have their urine tested for marijuana within 72 hours of the stroke. These results were compared to those from 160 controls who had not had a stroke but came to the hospital for other reasons. They were matched on age, gender and ethnic background, all of which can also affect the risk for this type of stroke. About 16% of the stroke patients showed traces of marijuana in their urine, compared to 8% of those in the control group, suggesting a doubling of the risk of stroke.
“This is the first case-controlled study to show a possible link to the increased risk of stroke from cannabis,” lead author Dr. Alan Barber of the University of Auckland in New Zealand said in a statement.
The study, however, could not separate tobacco smokers from marijuana smokers, because all but one of those testing positive for marijuana in the urine also showed signs of nicotine. Still, Barber said to Everyday Health “We know cannabis can cause changes in blood pressure and heart rate that are associated with increased stroke risk. Importantly, it can also cause heart palpitations, [a sign of atrial fibrillation]. And atrial fibrillation is very strongly associated with stroke.”
The heart attack study, led by Dr. Murray Mittleman of Harvard Medical School, followed nearly 4,000 heart attack survivors for up to 18 years to investigate any patterns between marijuana use and heart attack patterns. Among the participants, 109 had smoked marijuana at least once in the year before they were hospitalized. Most were in their 40s and 50s; none of those over age 63 had used marijuana.
During the study period, 519 patients died, including 22 marijuana users. But while there was an apparent 29% increase in mortality among those who used marijuana, the result was not statistically significant, meaning that it could have occurred by chance alone.
The study also did not find a relationship between the amount of cannabis used and the risk of death. While the researchers documented that any use was associated with more risk than no use, those who smoked more than once a week paradoxically seemed to be at less risk than those who smoked less than weekly.
Earlier research, however, found that the hour after smoking marijuana is associated with a two-fold to five-fold increase in the risk of heart attack, roughly the same risk seen within an hour of sexual activity. The authors conclude, “t seems prudent to caution patients with coronary heart disease and those at high risk for cardiovascular disease to abstain from smoking marijuana.”
Taken together, the findings highlight the still-confusing state of marijuana
research. While some studies have attempted to connect cannabis use with either
short or long term health effects, it has proved extremely difficult to pinpoint
the specific effects of marijuana because the heaviest marijuana users so often
use multiple drugs. That’s in contrast to the research on tobacco, which is far
more consistent. Cigarette smoking, for example, increases
the risk of lung cancer by a factor of 23 for men and 13 for women, boosts
stroke risk by up to four-fold and coronary heart disease by the same amount.
More research using sophisticated controls is necessary to truly understand the
risks, whatever they may be.
http://healthland.time.com/2013/02/08/marijuana-linked-to-increased-stroke-risk/?xid=rss-topstories
02-08-2013 08:46 PM
A New Marijuana Plant Without the High? It Could Be Good Medicine
The Internet is buzzing about a new breed of marijuana that apparently causes no buzz of its own. Israeli researchers have bred cannabis plants that look, smell and taste like ordinary marijuana — but lack THC, the active ingredient responsible for the spacy, giddy and sometimes hallucinatory part of pot’s high.
What’s the point of weed that doesn’t get you high, you ask? The new product could potentially fight conditions ranging from schizophrenia to Alzheimer’s disease.
The new marijuana isn’t just low-THC ditch weed or hemp by a different name. Tzahi Klein of the Israeli company Tikkun Olam and his colleagues have created a strain of pot that lacks THC but is abundant in cannabidiol (CBD), typically the second most common active compound in cannabis.
“It has the same scent, shape and taste as the original plant — it’s all the same — but the numbing sensation that users are accustomed to has disappeared,” Klein told the Israeli paper Maariv. He said that many patients in his studies felt “tricked” because they thought they’d been given a placebo when they smoked it.
But while CBD doesn’t lead to the “munchies,” hallucinations or other effects commonly felt by marijuana users, it’s far from inert. As I reported last week, a preliminary trial of CBD for the treatment of people with schizophrenia found that it was as effective as a standard antipsychotic drug — with none of the movement disorders, mood issues or weight gain linked to that class of medications.
CBD also seems to protect brain cells from damage, so much so that it is currently being
studied as a way to stop the progression of the movement disorder Huntington’s disease, which is caused by degeneration of nerve cells in certain parts of the brain. CBD’s neuroprotective property has also been shown to fight Alzheimer’s disease progression in animal models — though human research has yet to be done — and to reduce seizures.
Further, the compound has
anxiety-reducing effects, which may be responsible for making some types of marijuana seem mellower than others. Shorn of THC, marijuana containing CBD might be useful as an anti-anxiety medication or antidepressant. And because it doesn’t produce a noticeable high or impairment, it wouldn’t carry the risks associated with current anti-anxiety drugs like Xanax.
All of this means that the new plant could have huge potential — if its development isn’t stymied by the fact that its ingredients can’t be patented (that means less profit for drug companies) or by the politics of the drug war. Two big ifs.
Here’s hoping that this type of medical marijuana is made available to researchers for further study and then to countries and states where it is legal for compassionate access. Patenting and political roadblocks mean it may be a long time before a synthetic version of CBD hits the market, but many questions about its safety and efficacy could be answered far more quickly.
Until now, it hasn’t been possible to get CBD from smoking marijuana without the simultaneous and possibly counterproductive exposure to THC. The new plant could change that — and perhaps shift the medical marijuana debate as well. While THC will remain essential for some medical marijuana patients — to increase appetite, for example — the non-impairing version of marijuana with CBD could help many others, without inducing the pleasure-producing properties that cause so much unending controversy.