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Some people like Dorner get pushed too far. They are created by the lies and cruelty and dishonesty of others. Dorner was punished because he reported the cruelty of another police officer. He as also punished for speaking out against racism in the police department. He was punished for speaking out about the destruction of people’s civil rights when arrested. The rest is explained in his concise and precise manifesto. Anyone read it?….it’s easy to find, just make sure you get the ‘uncensored’ version.
He was punished for being honest….and inevitably punished for going against the ‘blue line’ especially in a department with a long bad record.
He is not unusual, he is a symptom of something much darker in the shadows. Kids do it when they have had enough of being bullied at school. Some wives have done it when they can no longer take the abuse at home. Even countries do it when they have had enough of being attacked by another. The list is endless. Dorner is just a microcosm of what is really wrong with society.
Dorner, is just another human being. He is like anyone else. In his case from childhood to entering the police he did everything right. But because he is a human being it is imperative that we look at not only what he did.....but 'why' he did it. From that, we learn.
You don't know if the statements he made about his own actions or about how he was treated in 2008/09 are 100% true or 1% true. You are making assumptions.
Well to begin with I have said “if they are proven”. Did you miss those words?
Perhaps society would be better if people stopped making excuses for those like him who have no regard for others.
Perhaps society would be better if people did not lie, cheat, manipulate, or poke and prod people like him to the point that he goes off the deep end. Who is really to blame?………his reactions...... or the people who instigated his reactions? When a dog is beaten and becomes viscious ...is it the dog's fault?.....or those who made him what he became?
The comparison to Hitler was totally way off base.
People who are sane find ways to deal with their problems. Oh do they? I know many people personally and many others I have read of who tried and cannot fight the ‘system’. Even though they were right….they lost ….and lost everything, or have spent their lives as victims. We only hear about the success stories….no one wants to hear, or care about, those who lost to those with money and power.
They just happen to be wearing a uniform.
They joined the club, they are now part of everything that club represents unless they stand up to be counted. That’s how one side treats those who are in groups of clubs they want to persecute….but they don’t seem to want to have the same applied to them.
My guess is that it will be quietly forgotten.
Certainly it will be.
Why didn't Dorner write a book based on his grievances?
LOL Probably because he would be first of all targeted by those in power….the Blue Line. Secondly he would probably be sued and have to pay for a lawyer with money he did not have while the government uses the money of taxpayers to keep him in court for years.
I believe that was intentional
Certainly it was. Neither will we ever hear how a cabin suddenly went up in flames. The Blue Line will be held and all those people who you said were ‘innocent’ will be guilty again .......through their silence. When an organized crime figure finally decides to tell the truth....what happens to him if the members of his gang catch him? Same truth....same gang mentality....same outcome.
The innocents I referred to were two people in a car who did not deserve to die - for revenge or any other reason.
True, they were innocent. Dorner has to take responsibility for that. However…..who else does? Do the people who drove Dorner to go off the deep end get off scott free?
Here’s how it goes. People read about something like this and they want a ‘simple’ convenient answer. Real life isn’t simple. They also feel that ‘they’ would never do something like that!!! And it is true, they may not. But just because they wouldn’t doesn’t mean that everyone else should be like them. There are people out there who get enraged when they have to deal with government people and then there are people out there who just say “oh well that’s the way it is”. There are people out there who will see two people fighting at a corner and they will step in to stop it……and then there are people who will just ignore it and walk away and feel nothing or make excuses when the next day in the newspaper they read that one of the people died. There are all types of people and no one can judge until they are in the other person’s shoes in situations like this.
As I said before….if it is proven that the allegations Dorner put forth about the police department are true and that he was unjustly persecuted …..a decision made by an unbiased panel of people……then those who did all this to Dorner are as guilty for what happened as he may be. The people who beat the dog and made it go off are the real guilty ones. In the US if there is a robbery in a variety store and the clerk is shot and killed ….the guy sitting the getaway car is also charged with murder. So the bottom line is, or should be, if someone is part of the cause of something, they are equally guilty for the act that occurred.
Yeah I know….something like this would mean people would finally have to take responsibility for what group they belong to and what they do to others that create the anger in individuals like Dorner.
It is human nature.
That depends what type of ‘human’ one is. To say “oh that’s just human nature, and that’s just the way it is”….is what keeps it going.
“A king may move a man, but that man can also move himself, and only then does that man truly begin his own game.
Remember that howsoever you are played or by whom, your soul is in your keeping alone, even though those who presume to play you be kings or men of power. When you stand before God, you cannot say, "But I was told by others to do thus," or that virtue was not convenient at the time. This will not suffice. Remember that.”
King Balwin of Jerusalem 1174
The officers killed - you are then assuming…..
No I did not say any of that. I said when you join a club, when you follow their rules, when you support them, when you stay silent, you are part of everything they do…..especially if you do not stand up to the injustices within the club. Please don’t say that I used the word ‘deserved’ when I did Not! Did you ever hear of the RICO law? Well it shouldn’t just apply to criminals, it should also apply to the criminals in good suits and uniforms.
Not all cops buy into the blue line.
You don’t know many cops. When it comes down to the nut crunching….they have to go along to get along. In certain areas it’s worse than others. There’s a lot on the line….careers, pensions, friends, prestige, associates and if you will be sitting in a cruiser or walking a beat in the worst part of town.
Sure, they may catch another cop speeding and look the other way.
That’s very minor. There are much larger law breaking things they do and they just know it’s not something you talk about. The average person has no idea of half of what goes on…..or don’t care to know.
I am sure that you know people who have committed illegal acts - some of them probably serious - yet, I am sure you have remained silent. The kind of guys that you hung with don't take kindly to "rats".
In some instances they did what they did because it was right under the circumstances. In others it was not. You know very, very little about me and I am certainly not going to discuss those years in public. I will say that I did what was right.
A pair of Petrolia OPP officers won’t be charged after a 39-year-old woman was injured during an arrest in January.
Ontario’s Special Investigation Unit said Wednesday there are no reasonable grounds to charge the officers who were responding to a domestic dispute call in Plympton-Wyoming Jan. 2.
The woman started to complain of sore ribs at the station, according to the SIU. She was later diagnosed with two rib fractures on her left side at Petrolia hospital.
Both officers involved in the incident declined to be interviewed or submit their duty notes, according to the SIU.
Full: http://www.lfpress.com/2013/02/13/special-investigations-unit-clears-petrolia-opp-officers
It happens all the time and most of the time the victim knows there is no point in complaining.
Not sure the general public would agree.
Civilians live in their own world.
We all have a skeleton or two in the closet.
And some of us have a cemetery.
The thing about cops, well for that matter most any group, is that people on the outside are for the most part will always be on the outside. Even when some leave the police force, they are still part of it because of friends or loyalty or in their own minds.
I think I expressed how I felt about his allegations towards the department. I didn't know I had to keep repeating the same thing.
We each have our point of view.
Typical Blue Line mentality. YouTube....> Miami Police Shot Protester, then laugh about it.
