11-18-2024 10:51 PM
I have a Canada Post Strike dilemma. I sold a item last Thursday, Nov.14/24. I messaged the buyer to hold off paying until I knew what kind of strike action CUPW was going to take on Friday morning.
On Friday morning I messaged the buyer to hold off on paying until I messaged him back. I let him know that it could be 7 to 10 days before any resolution was found. The buyer agreed and all was well until he paid on Sunday, Nov.17/24. Now I have to ship by Nov.22/24 (I have 5 days handling time).
I messaged him back on Sunday and asked why he paid when I asked him to hold off until he heard back from me. He said eBay keep sending him reminders to pay and he was getting nervous about it.
My dilemma is what if the strike is still going still on Friday, Nov.22/24? I don't want to use a different shipping method as I have solely used Canada Post for 18 years.
Can I just mark the item as shipped on Friday then mail it out at a future date? If I don't ship until Canada Post is up and running and I get a late shipping defect, will I be able to have it removed because of the strike?
If the buyer just waited to pay when I messaged him all would be well.
11-30-2024 04:37 PM
As I recall from the previous strikes, I'm again at the point where I don't believe either side. I suspect the real truth is somewhere between what CUPW and CP Management are presenting.
I do think that this time around though both will suffer at the end. As my family continues to purchase online purchases from retail sites, they've almost all found other ways to ship (with a very small % that haven't). I strongly suspect a good percentage will not come back to CP especially since I read or saw or heard somewhere that there's the potential for another strike from the other union months from now.
So with lettermail dropping and poor handling of the parcel business opportunity, less work means less "profits" for the corp and less "staff" needed to handle it.
I'm actually more worried about what happens when the strike is over, I seem to remember delivery problems post strike(s) in the past as a result of disgruntled folks. The more nasty the end to this one the worse that will be too.
I'm going to have a tough reopening decision to make depending on how long the strike lasts. Christmas is always a high worry time with slow deliveries in a normal year. This year it'll be recovery time, although I think there's a lot of stuff that's been diverted from CP. It will be interesting to see how that turns out. I've got several folks now awaiting the reopening of my store, I don't want to make them wait too long, but if its mid December before the strike is done, I might just wait till January to reopen.
Sigh.....
11-30-2024 04:47 PM
11-30-2024 05:25 PM
It has nothing to do with eBay tools or promos. You can add whatever shipping discounts you like in your descriptions/settings but you will still have to pay to move your product.
Couriers simply don't provide good enough service to all.
Lots of us do not have the options of UPS/FedEx/purulator/chitchats/stalion etc.. and need a lettermail option.
Couriers are not the solution to the problem unless you could force them all to do what Canada Post does in all the regions of Canada for a reasonable cost.
I am very rural with only Canada Post to pickup and to deliver. Courieres are very unreliable and do not wish to service us becasue they can't make any profit doing so. That is nothing that an eBay tool will fix.
11-30-2024 05:45 PM
@tuckhouse2021 wrote:
It has nothing to do with eBay tools or promos. You can add whatever shipping discounts you like in your descriptions/settings but you will still have to pay to move your product.
Couriers simply don't provide good enough service to all.
Lots of us do not have the options of UPS/FedEx/purulator/chitchats/stalion etc.. and need a lettermail option.
Couriers are not the solution to the problem unless you could force them all to do what Canada Post does in all the regions of Canada for a reasonable cost.
I am very rural with only Canada Post to pickup and to deliver. Courieres are very unreliable and do not wish to service us becasue they can't make any profit doing so. That is nothing that an eBay tool will fix.
Secondary alternate shipping options for ALL sellers would be nice but that is not going to happen. What is a bigger problem is the fact that Canadian do NOT have access to ALL the features US sellers have. Like offering coupons. It's suggested it is there from the dropdown on ca but when you test we only have access to creating a sale. There are others. The complete list just gives me a major headache when it runs through my mind. If we had access to the same features we would have a chance at being somewhat competitive to US sellers but that appears to be incredibly low on ebay's to do list.
-Lotz
11-30-2024 05:49 PM
That's true for regions not having good lalternative carriers in place.
eBay cannot do much about it, tho. We are 100% dependent on Canada Post for those regions.
11-30-2024 05:51 PM
It would even help sales for canadian customers at this moment.
At least, they would have options... Right now, as a buyer.... it's ugly on eBay.
They have to browse items separately. Check the Carrier... And it's not clear at all (lettermail, economy shipping, etc)... They have to contact the sellers. Right at this point, we lost a lot of customers that don't want to have to write to sellers each time.
It's so complicated at the moment buying on eBay that people just stopped, waiting. When there's solutions possible.
11-30-2024 06:28 PM
@mrdutch1001 wrote:fortunately all Christmas gift items I have ordered from Amazon will be hand delivered for Christmas, so no forward mailing required. Others though may get $ e-transfers ...No it's not same as an acutal gift but sometimes you gotta change things and do what you gotta do...
I bought a DVD gift set for my exHusband who lives around 500 km away. So I have to ship it if I'm not driving up there. I'd like to give it to him for Christmas.
I don't have many plans to give other gifts, so it's not a big crisis. I don't give cash as gifts.
C.
11-30-2024 09:34 PM - edited 11-30-2024 09:35 PM
@sin-n-dex wrote:I work in the private sector and we get 2-3% raise per year (if our performance is within tolerance). I think some of the demands being made are a little bit greedy.
Given that Canada's annual inflation rate has ranged from 3.40% to 6.80% in the years 2021 to 2023, you'd be effectively getting a pay cut, not a raise, for those years.
And let's not forget that we have those greedy unions to thank for employment provisions we now take for granted, such as sick leave, vacation pay, a defined work week and overtime.
What unions ask for and what employers request in contract talks are supposed to be their ideals. You don't negotiate from the minimum you're willing to accept.
11-30-2024 09:50 PM
@marnotom! wrote:
@sin-n-dex wrote:I work in the private sector and we get 2-3% raise per year (if our performance is within tolerance). I think some of the demands being made are a little bit greedy.
Given that Canada's annual inflation rate has ranged from 3.40% to 6.80% in the years 2021 to 2023, you'd be effectively getting a pay cut, not a raise, for those years.
And let's not forget that we have those greedy unions to thank for employment provisions we now take for granted, such as sick leave, vacation pay, a defined work week and overtime.
What unions ask for and what employers request in contract talks are supposed to be their ideals. You don't negotiate from the minimum you're willing to accept.
Most people I work with are switching jobs within the company or other companies to get an increase in pay.
I know lots of people who do not get sick days or paid for being home sick. I also know people who get their vacation in pay as a percentage (as required by law) and not allowed to take time off. I also worked in a job where I stood for 8 hours a day and didn't get a single break all day. I tried complaining to the Labour Board (in Canada/Ontario), and was told if I want breaks I have to enforce that myself. They responded by shortening my shifts so that no break was required and I ended up quitting.
People sometimes ask me why I stay in a job with a 2-3% pay increase every year when inflation is higher than that and I could get more money going elsewhere. Since I have a disability and my employer is accomodating that, I'm not motivated to go some place where they won't accomodate that, and there's lots of jobs I can't do as a result of the disability (not being able to stand for more than 10-15 minutes at a time, puts all retail jobs out of reach).
So the things the unions are getting are not making their way into the private sector... My roommate works for a private machine shop who pays him very well in dollars, but he's not allowed time off. He gets his 4% as required by law as money at the end of the year (in lieu of vacation) which is actually legal here. I on the other hand do not get such a great pay where I work, but seniority has earned me more vacation time than the law requires and a flexible work schedule to accomodate medical appointments and such (with my roommate has been unable to do requiring physio relating to a workplace injury, he was told to do that "outside of work hours").
I'm not suggesting that what Canada Post management is offering is entirely fair, and that the workers don't deserve more, but their strike has caused a lot of people I know (customers at my work for instance, friends who run mail order businesses to pay their mortage and feed their families), a whole lot of grief. So I have little sympathy that they decided to do this right now.
If we didn't have EFT set up for our client's benefits needs, it would be a pretty awful situation. Right now it's only vendors who aren't getting paid. Our clients depend on their disability benefits to keep a roof over their head and eat, and not everyone who is a client of ours is able to accept an EFT transfer.
C.
11-30-2024 11:45 PM - edited 11-30-2024 11:46 PM
I'm going to assume you're familiar with the "duty to accommodate," @sin-n-dex, so I won't mansplain to you with a bunch of links. Basically, an employer shouldn't hire you if they're not willing and able to accommodate your disability. Yes, I'm sure it happens, but that's one of the benefits of being covered under a collective agreement: it's spelt out or can be clarified if one needs to file a grievance.
As far as your roommate's employment issues go, that 4% pay bump in lieu of time off wouldn't likely have become law without some collective agreements setting a precident.
And, yes, it's unfortunate that users of Canada Post are caught in the crossfire between the union and management. It's the awkward part when public service workers take job action and what makes collective agreement negotiations and strikes in the public service so different than those in, say, the manufacturing sector. The employer doesn't "suffer" the same way in a public service strike as it does in a area where goods are produced.
12-01-2024 02:27 AM
I don't understand why they don't go back and at least deliver any outstanding mail or packages with a soft strike where they do not take new mail but only deliver what is left in the system.
It seems like that would be a win for everybody. It would get the employees paid for a short period of time. It would relieve the system of the current backup of parcels so that when the strike is over, it's an easier transition.
12-01-2024 04:10 AM - edited 12-01-2024 04:12 AM
@ilikehockeyjerseys wrote:I don't understand why they don't go back and at least deliver any outstanding mail or packages with a soft strike where they do not take new mail but only deliver what is left in the system.
Seeing as Canada Post has been laying off striking workers, that could be one possible reason why.
12-01-2024 08:56 AM
no, the reason why is that CUPW is trying to put the screws on as tight as possible while they can. If they wanted to be helpful to Canadians they could have called a temporary pause to the strike, for the Christmas season. But they didn't. They just upped their defiant rhetoric.
In the 2018 Christmas strike, CUPW at least pretended to be concerned about Canadians....that was the rationelle for their rotating strikes, so as not to disrupt service to the public or at least minimize it. This time, they dropped the pretense all together and just went on full blown strike from day one.
CUPW is probably on a bit of a time limit. Their strike fund is not bottomless and they know the workers have been going without pay for over 2 weeks now and will be getting antsy. They have Chrstimas coming for them too and they were probably looking forward to all the juicy extra money they can make with over time during the Christmas season. Each day that passes, more money is lost. Tick, tick tick..
12-01-2024 12:38 PM
12-01-2024 01:44 PM - edited 12-01-2024 02:04 PM
@marnotom! wrote:
It’s hard to go back to work when you’re laid off, and even if you’re not laid off, your workload may increase or become more difficult if your co-workers aren’t able to work.
There’s a lot of head-scratching over why Canada Post management has chosen to layoff workers when the workers aren’t getting paid right now in the first place. My hypothesis is that this is as close to a lockout as Canada Post management can get without calling their actions a lockout.
Negotiations must have been getting very challenging if the union felt it had to launch a full-out strike right away. From its perspective, Canada Post has been pouring money into improving systems and infrastructure but is unwilling to work with the union on making the HR adjustments that these improvements necessitate. Sounds a bit to me like the conflict Royal Mail Canada had with workers in the 1970s when automation was becoming more of a thing.
At one point in recorded history workers that were laid off were "supposed" to be the first ones rehired. (Not mandatory but good recommended practice if its within 6 months). In Alberta laying off employees has turned into a creative way of getting rid of employees for an assortment of reasons. So employees can claim EI in some cases but not all.
From a quick search regarding the CP situation:
12-01-2024 02:04 PM
every strike i've followed closely involving CUPW has been the same. They don't budge at all on any of their demands. Ever. That's not negotiating. CP would come up a bit on what they offered and CUPW would say 'nope' and not come down at all on anything they were demanding. Last strike was really bad for that......the union boss at the time was proud of the fact that the union's position did not budge at all. So in the end the workers lost a good chunk of a month's pay, binding arbitration happened and they got a teeny bit more than what CP's best offer was, minus the $1000 signing bonus per worker CP offered. The workers have still not recovered the pay they lost from that strike from the arbitrated deal.
Seems, under new leadership, CUPW is using the same playbook, without the rotating strikes this time. And the end will be the same.....it will take many years for the workers to recover the pay they've lost, if they ever do, from the deal they eventually get.
And this time they may have sunk their own ship. I have a very strong feeling that privatization is in the cards within 4-5 years, if not less...
12-01-2024 03:08 PM
Here's an interesting news report on what Canada Post's future operations are going to look like.....
This is going to be a long strike unless the government intervenes.
https://globalnews.ca/video/10896423/canada-post-strike-continues-cupw-response/
12-01-2024 03:42 PM
Well if the expert's theory is correct (that the strike goes into the new year), it saves me the challenge of determining if I will reopen my store before the holidays.....
12-01-2024 03:46 PM
I'm sure that's not what you want to do... I know I don't!
12-01-2024 04:21 PM - edited 12-01-2024 04:22 PM
Yep, I'm raring to go again when it is safe. I've been madly picturing stuff here, estimating over 500 lots pictured and ready to list, but I estimate there's a couple thousand awaiting picturing still, the "pile" is dauntingly large.
I've had an opportunity to sell another non-postal dependant venue that I never thought I'd have time to try, so with time available now, I'm working away at that as well, I should have an experimental batch ready for that venue in the next week or two.... if it works out another example of how business migrates away from postal dependant platforms.... I'll still be here of course whenever the strike is done, but my time will be split. I doubt that the experiment will do well enough to warrant too much time long term, but one never knows, I've had big surprises in the past!