05-30-2017 08:26 AM
eBay is supposed to be a venue only, bringing buyers and sellers together. But eBay has increasingly gotten hands-on and now it can delete sellers' listings at will (and as we've previously reported, can even relist a seller's inactive listings).
A reader forwarded a copy of a letter they received from eBay.....
05-30-2017 09:13 AM
Hmmmm.. I wonder what the "formula" is for them deciding the listings are too old, it might be category specific, overall sales volume specific, lack of views specific, the same conundrum we have trying to understand cassini....
I've got GTC listings running that are up to 8 or 9 years running.
My "on sale" scheme is that the older the item is, the greater the discount applied against it. (I believe everything older than a year has a discount on it)
A couple days ago I sold an item listed since 2009..
Several 2014/2015 listed items have sold in the last couple weeks (and this is a normal volume of older stuff selling).
At least in my (stamp) world, often the challenge is waiting till someone with the correct interest arrives....and that can take time.
I'll await news in my inbox if it ends up affecting me...since I've devolved to running things via "management by exception" I'll deal with the exception if it arrives....
05-30-2017 11:12 AM
Hey if eBay does not want a solid base of inventory for Buyers to browse/ watch / purchase, no worries.
I used to have listings running 5-6 years without a single sale, then all of a sudden an item becomes "hot" and they sell thats how it works.
I will do as I have been doing for the last year, list less on ebay and move more to my own sites, it's costs me less too and I pass the savings on to my off ebay Buyers. And as for eBay's claim about being the only game in town, they lost that to direct Social Media transactions a long time ago for collectibles.
It's like the Nazi - Concentration Camp story, I also complained about those listings & got a call directly from eBay utah.
Needless to say the questionable listings are still live. Just like the issue of combined shipping discounts and the broken shopping cart.
05-30-2017 01:23 PM
You know looking at this and other recent changes, one gets the idea they are trying to strong arm sellers into reducing prices here in an effort to boost sales conversions across the board and prop up revenues. This sort of behavior is underhanded for a marketplace. Buyers have the ability to sort by price so it is not as if this is hampering the ability of a buyer to purchase an item or other sellers to sell their item. Sellers have the ability to promote or highlight their listings if they are worried about standing out. If anything listings at a higher price allow a seller to more readily sell their cheaper listing for the same item since the buyer gets some sense of a savings.
Ebay needs to stop coming up with new ways to antagonize sellers and actually fix things that are demonstrably broken and inefficient. This forum alone brings up enough examples of that on a regular basis. Any marketing exec who only has the creativity to swing a price hammer does not deserve their position. I mean come on, much of the stated policy and documentation on the site is woefully inadequate or outdated, and yet staff have the time to come up with new ways to anger the seller base?
Who in marketing approves a program where you end a listing prematurely for reasons unrelated to a policy violation and then slips in Any fees for listings that were ended early for not following policy won't be credited to your account? Someone there needs to be educated and reminded that sellers are equally valuable customers. Stop pissing them off.
05-30-2017 01:26 PM - edited 05-30-2017 01:27 PM
@ricarmic wrote:Hmmmm.. I wonder what the "formula" is for them deciding the listings are too old, it might be category specific, overall sales volume specific, lack of views specific, the same conundrum we have trying to understand cassini....
The algorithms tend to be written by intern code monkeys judging by the level of competence I have seen in the past. There is probably some arbitrary threshold on the ratio of impressions to sales. These things usually aren't based on logic but rather written backwards from a marketing target.
05-30-2017 04:54 PM
I was very rude on the dotCOM boards when the new layout (with Participation Badges!! Woo-hoo!!) came in.
The twirp who designed it mentioned that he had been with eBay for less than three months.
I was sarcastic.
And got pink-slapped.
Well , whoodeefriggindoo.
Any company that turns such an important part of their social media outreach over to someone who has not yet had his first performance review.....
I'm ..... trying not to be sarcastic again.
I mean, I have all those Participation Badges to protect.
On a slightly more serious note.
EBay does add a note to older listings at the 16 month mark. I do find that useful.
Some I have deleted and donated.
Some I have updated-- occasionally raising prices.
Some I have left alone.
Some I have taken down for a month and then relisted unchanged.
Because we closed down for a couple of months in 2014 while moving west, I don't have many listings older than that. But I sold a book last month that I had in stock since 2005, going by the inventory slip inside the cover.
05-30-2017 05:47 PM
@femmefan1946 wrote:
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On a slightly more serious note.
EBay does add a note to older listings at the 16 month mark. I do find that useful.
You've touched on the important bit here. Namely there are more productive ways for ebay to provide sellers with tools to deal with aging inventory versus deleting your listings then rubbing in your face by saying oh hey sorry not crediting any fees.
A more productive way to deal with the problem (for both parties) would be to create seller tools that actually make use of the data ebay already has. They already have the number of days an item has been listed, item specifics to link and compare to same item sales by other sellers, traffic stats, etc. Turn that into a dead stock report with quick and easy tools like setting a promo price or free shipping without having to go through painfully slow revise/edit work flow on a sku by sku basis. If I'm a seller with thousands of listings, these things occur because of a manageability issue. These are things that I directly implemented with ecommerce retailers in the past and I can tell you it yields much better results than running around trying to enforce new policies that antagonize.
You can work on front end and policies as much as you like but improving back end seller tools will yield better results.
05-30-2017 07:17 PM
All listings are ended and relisted after being on eBay for about 12-13 months...
Not too sure.... But
On the UK site....If listings are on eBay longer than 16 months ... Is there an extra listing charge each month?
A notification about the 16 month threshold was more noticeable on the site years ago than today..
But then My listings get relisted before that 16 months arrives...
The important thing on eBay is that one must constantly work and rework the listings...
Always adding new inventory and deleting "old" inventory and removing inventory that is just is not selling.
I used to list a lot of biographies of hockey players... from the 1970's and 1980's.....They were removed from eBay....
I did this... and surprise... so did everyone else
05-31-2017 07:53 PM
I don't know whether the eBay rep really answered your question (re listings being arbitrarily ended) today. He seemed to say two different things, both of which were rather ambiguous at best. His last comment was:
In the interim, since the 'stale listings' process was a one-time thing (as I understand it), your listings should not be at risk.
Whatever that means. What "one-time thing"? I thought this was happening currently, at least according to your question.
Earlier (Post #25) he had said: " the concerns have already been passed up to Senior Management at eBay and actions are underway to determine what the plan is for communication / policy on this kind of a change in the future."
Huh????
05-31-2017 07:56 PM - edited 05-31-2017 07:58 PM
@hlmacdon wrote:You can work on front end and policies as much as you like but improving back end seller tools will yield better results.
Hear, hear. Absolutely, positively.
How is it that sellers have been saying this for years, yet eBay persists in doing exactly the opposite, with the end effect of thwarting sellers' efforts, and wasting a whole lot of their time? Doesn't it make sense that if sellers do well, eBay does well? The land where black is white and down is up.
05-31-2017 08:01 PM
If listings are on eBay longer than 16 months ... Is there an extra listing charge each month?
No.
I do just leave some-- mostly dress patterns-- and haven't noticed any rise in fees.
I have a Store so most of my listings are 'free'.
06-02-2017 06:35 AM
Noticed this announcement on .COM today...
http://community.ebay.com/t5/Announcements/eBay-Listing-Spring-Cleaning/ba-p/27039412
06-02-2017 07:24 AM
06-02-2017 08:36 AM - edited 06-02-2017 08:37 AM
If I had to guess I would say that my saving grace is views, and the view counts will be probably stronger in the last year because the items are all on sale which increases their visibility and therefore views.
My oldest listings are 10 years old now.....the lowest views was 700, most are between 1000 and 2500 views.
06-02-2017 09:07 AM
That charge for listings on eBay longer than 16 months was most likely applied on eBay.UK a few years back...
Could not find any reference to this on the UK site.
When I heard about this it was my choice to end and relist all listings at about 12 months of being on eBay
06-02-2017 09:21 AM
The link in Reply 12 also refers to Duplicate listings.
The book category required a clean up with respect to duplicates.
Two major sellers have a total disregard with respect to duplicate listing...
Major sellers with listings in the millions of number of listing.
They and others who also list books have a total disregard for picture policy.
The book category needs a major ... clean up
We Shall See !
06-02-2017 09:25 AM
06-02-2017 09:32 AM
06-02-2017 10:14 AM
Stock photos are the standard for book sellers... specifically those with thousands and up to millions of books.
and then with the millions of listings...... they are short on actual photos of the books, and then with virtually no specific condition of the the book being listed
Even the rule for use of stock photos is ignored
Five listings... all with a different condition, different price and more, but with the same stock photo.... Use of the same stock photo makes these listings a duplicate listing......