and no Canadian tire is not the biggest retail chain in Canada.
Since when?
Monique
Since when?
Monique
You do realize Dave, that you (with your massive 183 FB and one item up for sale) are arguing ebay with the man who was recently commissioned to write..."eBay for Dummies, Canadian Edition" right?
Monique
Monique
Yes well you too monique have proven you can behave like the treasurepot.
What exactly is that supposed to mean?
All I did was provide you with a friendly warning about the fact that you are belittling the ebay experience and knowledge of someone who probably knows 10x the amount you do about the subject. Just thought you might want to know what everyone else does about Bill's expertise on the subject before you make a complete fool of yourself...
Monique
What exactly is that supposed to mean?
All I did was provide you with a friendly warning about the fact that you are belittling the ebay experience and knowledge of someone who probably knows 10x the amount you do about the subject. Just thought you might want to know what everyone else does about Bill's expertise on the subject before you make a complete fool of yourself...
Monique
Getting back to your OP, how exactly to you propose that eBay police this "one id - per person" structure? Should we all have to provide our SIN numbers and have them verified upon enrollment?
Monique
Monique
While I understand your concerns, I certainly don't want to hand out my SIN, DL or BC numbers to anyone these days. Have you heard of identity theft? It's rampant in the U.S., particularly on-line.
At the risk of being slapped, here is an example of why your proposal just won't work...
There has been a seller of Himalayan Salt Lamps on ebay for a few years now. They build up their id by selling lamps with zero mark-up, then they stop shipping for months and just cash in on unsuspecting customers. Once an id gets NARU or overly saturated with negs...they move on to a new id. It's pretty easy to recognize them as they use the same listings and pictures with all their id's and they are always located in the same city.
Finally, ebay decided to ban them for good and PayPal closed down their account...yet, lo and behold, they have shown up again! When I pointed this out to the powers that be at ebay, they verified the facts of the case and shut them down.....for two days. Imagine my surprise when they were up and running again. Ebay has told me they can not touch them. Why? They simply had a spouse or friend or family member open up an account under their name. Same product, same scam, same location but as far as ebay is concerned it's not the same scammer.
My point is that if someone wants to rip people off they are going to do it. Targeting those who operate under different id's is obviously not the answer to problem of fraud on ebay. It is entirely to difficult for ebay to restrict members to one id and it won't solve anything. Heck, look at all the people who work under another person's SIN number. Even the Canadian/U.S. governments can't keep that crap straight. How exactly do you propose ebay do so?
I, for one, don't want customers to have to jump through a million hoops to join ebay and purchase my product. The extensive vetting you propose would result in the large majority of potential customers calling it quits long before they finished the process. While I agree that something needs to be done about the fraud problem on-line, I don't think that your proposal is the solution.
JMHO
Monique
At the risk of being slapped, here is an example of why your proposal just won't work...
There has been a seller of Himalayan Salt Lamps on ebay for a few years now. They build up their id by selling lamps with zero mark-up, then they stop shipping for months and just cash in on unsuspecting customers. Once an id gets NARU or overly saturated with negs...they move on to a new id. It's pretty easy to recognize them as they use the same listings and pictures with all their id's and they are always located in the same city.
Finally, ebay decided to ban them for good and PayPal closed down their account...yet, lo and behold, they have shown up again! When I pointed this out to the powers that be at ebay, they verified the facts of the case and shut them down.....for two days. Imagine my surprise when they were up and running again. Ebay has told me they can not touch them. Why? They simply had a spouse or friend or family member open up an account under their name. Same product, same scam, same location but as far as ebay is concerned it's not the same scammer.
My point is that if someone wants to rip people off they are going to do it. Targeting those who operate under different id's is obviously not the answer to problem of fraud on ebay. It is entirely to difficult for ebay to restrict members to one id and it won't solve anything. Heck, look at all the people who work under another person's SIN number. Even the Canadian/U.S. governments can't keep that crap straight. How exactly do you propose ebay do so?
I, for one, don't want customers to have to jump through a million hoops to join ebay and purchase my product. The extensive vetting you propose would result in the large majority of potential customers calling it quits long before they finished the process. While I agree that something needs to be done about the fraud problem on-line, I don't think that your proposal is the solution.
JMHO
Monique
I'm not saying that I want multiple ids (although I have to admit I have several). I'm just saying that...
a) it is a VERY difficult thing to impose and police,
b) it will not come close to solving fraud on ebay,
c) requiring extensive proof if identity (such as SIN upon sign up) will turn off a lot of potential new members/customers.
I think you are barking up the wrong tree. IF there is a solution to the rampant fraud on ebay (and elsewhere on-line), this isn't it.
Monique
a) it is a VERY difficult thing to impose and police,
b) it will not come close to solving fraud on ebay,
c) requiring extensive proof if identity (such as SIN upon sign up) will turn off a lot of potential new members/customers.
I think you are barking up the wrong tree. IF there is a solution to the rampant fraud on ebay (and elsewhere on-line), this isn't it.
Monique
And just whom would you be referring to there miss Toby? 😉 A Mrknowitall-blowhard-copyright-legal-fraud-writer-etc etc etc self-proclaimed expert on everything by chance? ]:) 😛
He's funny and infuriating at times. I'm surprised nobody really challenged him on one of his more outlandish posts. He claimed that PayPal takes feedback as proof of receipt of goods. Uh huh! Nice try dude. I've never heard of that, ever.
I do know a lot but never in a million years would I even think to proclaim I'm an expert or know everything there is to know about eBay. That would be stupid and totally false on anybody's part. eBay changes all the time. Heck even people that work for eBay sometimes can't keep up. That guy's too much. sheesh
He's funny and infuriating at times. I'm surprised nobody really challenged him on one of his more outlandish posts. He claimed that PayPal takes feedback as proof of receipt of goods. Uh huh! Nice try dude. I've never heard of that, ever.
I do know a lot but never in a million years would I even think to proclaim I'm an expert or know everything there is to know about eBay. That would be stupid and totally false on anybody's part. eBay changes all the time. Heck even people that work for eBay sometimes can't keep up. That guy's too much. sheesh
Sorry, I've been away from my desk for the last day but let me try to catch up.
First, regarding post 14, delivering pizzas to colleges and universities does not qualify for education. Never has... never will. Like Monique, I am also mystified as to who is a larger retailer in Canada than Canadian Tire. They have held that position in Canada for many years. Perhaps you would care to share that little tidbit.
If you still can't see where you made the whitewash, I can't help you anymore than I have. I directly quoted you twice but apparently you think they are someone else's words.
Re post 15... please respond to the posts as they are made and avoid fabrication. At no point did I laugh at anyone who has been a victim of fraud nor did I judge anyone's character as poor. I reserve that judgement for people that twist what is said to suit their purposes.
Re post 21... Now you really show your ignorance. As I already pointed out, I have more than one selling ID. Further, when did the value of a transaction increase or decrease the experience? The motions are the same whether it is for a $1 pen or a $200 iPod. Your few transactions pale in comparison to many who frequent this board. It doesn't make your contribution less important but don't tell others that they don't know what they are talking about or suggest that they are fraudsters because they don't agree with your ideas. I and many other buyers and sellers have multiple IDs. You also have multiple IDs. I challenged your idea that "People engaged in less than enjoyable activity, are the main people that use many multiple ids". I maintain that the people who consistently come back to eBay to run their scams are doing so because of a loosened registration process that requires a mere "because I said so" to verify their identity. Reducing the number of IDs that a person can have would do nothing, squat, diddley, zippo, etc., to dissuade a person bent on doing fraud on eBay. Only a registration process that catches people that have been previously kicked off can begin to accomplish that. Even then, there would be ways around it.
Re post 23... where do you get off? How are your posts any more productive than anyone else's? Why are your opinions more important than anyone else's? I see no evidence that Monique put down anyone. You suffer from a persecution complex "my friend". Time to get some help.
Re post 25... now you are getting a little stupid. It seems that too many who can't substantiate their opinions or who make outrageous statements and get challenged by others resort to name calling and put downs. I would continue a battle of wits with you but it seems unfair to do so with an unarmed person.
Re post 29... you have hit on the crux of the problem, Monique. The real deterrent to fraud on eBay is the community. eBay, with all its technology, simply can not match the ability of the general community to catch and report fraud on the site. They provide us with tools (including the feedback system, as flawed as it might be) that allow us to thoroughly investigate sellers or buyers. Complaints that the feedback system is overloaded with fake feedback are unfounded. That there is an amount of fraudulent feedback, there is no doubt. The fact that we know it is there tells us that the feedback system is working! We can research activity to determine the validity of someones feedback score. There are so many things that we can see from feedback that will either provide us with the confidence to conduct business with a person or throw us red flags to tell us to avoid a person.
Re post 31... and there you have it. A perfect example that it is the registration process that is flawed and not an issue of multiple IDs. Thanks for making my case for me so eloquently.
Re post 33... back to the beginning... sigh! If I have one ID I can be either a bad buyer or bad seller. There is one particular instance that comes to mind. I obviously can't mention any names but there is a particular seller in Toronto of vintage audio equipment that is well known on eBay for the scam he runs. In fact, an entire website is devoted to trying to expose him. Regardless, he only has one ID... he doesn't need many to play his con. The reason that he is still on eBay is that buyers refuse to pay any attention to all the red flags that go up when they view his listings. Buyers don't even look at his poor feedback. The guy has been doing it for years and will continue to do so because people don't use the tools that eBay already provides. Anyone who wants to email me can have his user ID. He doesn't need multiple ID's to be a fraudster.
Re post 34... jeeez, for a minute there I could have sworn that the OP and the poster were the same person using different IDs.:-) I used the smiley face so it's ok to take a cheap shot at people. That said, having feedback of, lets say, 1000 or less could mean that you have an over-inflated view of your own knowledge. "Those of us" sounds rather elitist to me.
Bill treasure-pot
First, regarding post 14, delivering pizzas to colleges and universities does not qualify for education. Never has... never will. Like Monique, I am also mystified as to who is a larger retailer in Canada than Canadian Tire. They have held that position in Canada for many years. Perhaps you would care to share that little tidbit.
If you still can't see where you made the whitewash, I can't help you anymore than I have. I directly quoted you twice but apparently you think they are someone else's words.
Re post 15... please respond to the posts as they are made and avoid fabrication. At no point did I laugh at anyone who has been a victim of fraud nor did I judge anyone's character as poor. I reserve that judgement for people that twist what is said to suit their purposes.
Re post 21... Now you really show your ignorance. As I already pointed out, I have more than one selling ID. Further, when did the value of a transaction increase or decrease the experience? The motions are the same whether it is for a $1 pen or a $200 iPod. Your few transactions pale in comparison to many who frequent this board. It doesn't make your contribution less important but don't tell others that they don't know what they are talking about or suggest that they are fraudsters because they don't agree with your ideas. I and many other buyers and sellers have multiple IDs. You also have multiple IDs. I challenged your idea that "People engaged in less than enjoyable activity, are the main people that use many multiple ids". I maintain that the people who consistently come back to eBay to run their scams are doing so because of a loosened registration process that requires a mere "because I said so" to verify their identity. Reducing the number of IDs that a person can have would do nothing, squat, diddley, zippo, etc., to dissuade a person bent on doing fraud on eBay. Only a registration process that catches people that have been previously kicked off can begin to accomplish that. Even then, there would be ways around it.
Re post 23... where do you get off? How are your posts any more productive than anyone else's? Why are your opinions more important than anyone else's? I see no evidence that Monique put down anyone. You suffer from a persecution complex "my friend". Time to get some help.
Re post 25... now you are getting a little stupid. It seems that too many who can't substantiate their opinions or who make outrageous statements and get challenged by others resort to name calling and put downs. I would continue a battle of wits with you but it seems unfair to do so with an unarmed person.
Re post 29... you have hit on the crux of the problem, Monique. The real deterrent to fraud on eBay is the community. eBay, with all its technology, simply can not match the ability of the general community to catch and report fraud on the site. They provide us with tools (including the feedback system, as flawed as it might be) that allow us to thoroughly investigate sellers or buyers. Complaints that the feedback system is overloaded with fake feedback are unfounded. That there is an amount of fraudulent feedback, there is no doubt. The fact that we know it is there tells us that the feedback system is working! We can research activity to determine the validity of someones feedback score. There are so many things that we can see from feedback that will either provide us with the confidence to conduct business with a person or throw us red flags to tell us to avoid a person.
Re post 31... and there you have it. A perfect example that it is the registration process that is flawed and not an issue of multiple IDs. Thanks for making my case for me so eloquently.
Re post 33... back to the beginning... sigh! If I have one ID I can be either a bad buyer or bad seller. There is one particular instance that comes to mind. I obviously can't mention any names but there is a particular seller in Toronto of vintage audio equipment that is well known on eBay for the scam he runs. In fact, an entire website is devoted to trying to expose him. Regardless, he only has one ID... he doesn't need many to play his con. The reason that he is still on eBay is that buyers refuse to pay any attention to all the red flags that go up when they view his listings. Buyers don't even look at his poor feedback. The guy has been doing it for years and will continue to do so because people don't use the tools that eBay already provides. Anyone who wants to email me can have his user ID. He doesn't need multiple ID's to be a fraudster.
Re post 34... jeeez, for a minute there I could have sworn that the OP and the poster were the same person using different IDs.:-) I used the smiley face so it's ok to take a cheap shot at people. That said, having feedback of, lets say, 1000 or less could mean that you have an over-inflated view of your own knowledge. "Those of us" sounds rather elitist to me.
Bill treasure-pot
