12-30-2015 01:09 PM
A few weeks ago, I decided to open a third selling account, just for books. Over the years, I have always given boxes of books to Goodwill, Children's Hospital, etc., but there were a few dozen that I thought I might be able to sell. While I know a lot "about" books, "selling" books is a whole new ballgame.
I did a lot of research online to learn about the edition of the book, the condition, the value and so on. Because I am so green, I found that with taking the pictures and including all the appropriate information, it was taking me a whole evening to list two books. I finally got 10 books listed, 6 of which have now ended. I stopped devoting time to that account over the last month due to family illness and Christmas.
One basic thing I am not clear about is when a book is "new" or "like new". If a book has been sitting on a shelf for several years but has never even been opened, is it considered "new"? What if it has some yellowing on the top edge from dust, is it then "like new". It doesn't really follow the specifications for "like new" as outlined by eBay:
Like New
A book that looks new but has been read. Cover has no visible wear, and the dust jacket (if applicable) is included for hard covers. No missing or damaged pages, no creases or tears, and no underlining/highlighting of text or writing in the margins. May be very minimal identifying marks on the inside cover. Very minimal wear and tear. See the seller’s listing for full details and description of any imperfections.
I inherited some books from a person who was more of a collector than a reader, so I know these books were never even opened, as are some of mine.
Once I gain some expertise, my goal is to focus on one or two genres of book .... spirituality, religion.
It's quite possible that this account will not be successful, and that's alright. But let's say I stopped listing, or closed the account, and I had made 3 or 4 sales. These payments would have been held back since I had not reached the minimum number of sales required, so how would I be able to retrieve this money. eBay can't hold it forever. I've never seen this question posted before.
I have a lot of questions about the sale of books, but these are the two primary ones right now.
Thanks for any input you have.
12-30-2015 01:45 PM
Payment holds on new accounts are for 21 days.
I would not consider a book to be "new" unless it's absolutely pristine and has never had the spine "cracked". By that definition most books sitting on a store shelf for 6 months wouldn't be considered new.
I also have lots of books but I've not yet started to sell them, from the research I did I doubt I would use anything other than "like new" and even that only for books in pristine condition.
Of course it depends on the type of books, 99% of what I have it hardcover non-fiction, I suspect buyers of these books are a lot pickier than buyers of paperback fiction.
@jt-libra wrote:A few weeks ago, I decided to open a third selling account, just for books. Over the years, I have always given boxes of books to Goodwill, Children's Hospital, etc., but there were a few dozen that I thought I might be able to sell. While I know a lot "about" books, "selling" books is a whole new ballgame.
I did a lot of research online to learn about the edition of the book, the condition, the value and so on. Because I am so green, I found that with taking the pictures and including all the appropriate information, it was taking me a whole evening to list two books. I finally got 10 books listed, 6 of which have now ended. I stopped devoting time to that account over the last month due to family illness and Christmas.
One basic thing I am not clear about is when a book is "new" or "like new". If a book has been sitting on a shelf for several years but has never even been opened, is it considered "new"? What if it has some yellowing on the top edge from dust, is it then "like new". It doesn't really follow the specifications for "like new" as outlined by eBay:
Like New
A book that looks new but has been read. Cover has no visible wear, and the dust jacket (if applicable) is included for hard covers. No missing or damaged pages, no creases or tears, and no underlining/highlighting of text or writing in the margins. May be very minimal identifying marks on the inside cover. Very minimal wear and tear. See the seller’s listing for full details and description of any imperfections.
I inherited some books from a person who was more of a collector than a reader, so I know these books were never even opened, as are some of mine.
Once I gain some expertise, my goal is to focus on one or two genres of book .... spirituality, religion.
It's quite possible that this account will not be successful, and that's alright. But let's say I stopped listing, or closed the account, and I had made 3 or 4 sales. These payments would have been held back since I had not reached the minimum number of sales required, so how would I be able to retrieve this money. eBay can't hold it forever. I've never seen this question posted before.
I have a lot of questions about the sale of books, but these are the two primary ones right now.
Thanks for any input you have.
12-30-2015 02:18 PM
@recped wrote:Payment holds on new accounts are for 21 days.
I would not consider a book to be "new" unless it's absolutely pristine and has never had the spine "cracked". By that definition most books sitting on a store shelf for 6 months wouldn't be considered new.
I also have lots of books but I've not yet started to sell them, from the research I did I doubt I would use anything other than "like new" and even that only for books in pristine condition.
Of course it depends on the type of books, 99% of what I have it hardcover non-fiction, I suspect buyers of these books are a lot pickier than buyers of paperback fiction.
Thanks for reminding me about the 21 day hold. What I was thinking about was that being reduced if you sell a certain dollar value and have a specific number of feedback.
It surprised me at first that you indicated that books sitting on a store shelf for months would not be considered "new". But then, I realized that most people are not like me; I go into a bookstore for a specific book, take it off the shelf and buy it. I don't open and peruse several books like many people do. So your comment makes sense.
I have a mix of hard cover and trade paperback, some fiction, more non-fiction and not really any that were mass produced fiction. Like I said I would like to eventually focus on one genre.
I just felt that most of my books were in better condition than "like new" because they had never even been opened and read, but if they have dust on the top edge, then of course, I can't list them as "new". I do have a few shrink wrapped ones as well.
Thanks very much for your comments.
12-30-2015 02:35 PM
Thanks for reminding me about the 21 day hold. What I was thinking about was that being reduced if you sell a certain dollar value and have a specific number of feedback.
http://pages.ebay.ca/help/pay/payment_hold.html#avoid
New seller status ends once you've met all the following criteria:
It's been more than 90 days since your first successful sale.
You've completed more than 25 US sales transactions.
You have more than US$250 in total sales.
12-30-2015 03:18 PM
In my opinion , if anyone ever owned it before, it is not "New".
In any case, I believe in diminishing expectations.
All my first editions are listed with Bumped Corners, because I figure there is a good chance that by the time it gets to the buyer , the corners will be bumped.
Have you discovered Addall yet? A very useful source for identifying books.
Also, best sellers aren't. Donate them.
12-30-2015 03:31 PM - edited 12-30-2015 03:32 PM
I have never overstated the condition of a book.
Why?
Buyers have their own view of condition, and I would rather have a buyer state, ..." Condition was better than expected" as feedback
I rarely state anything better than very good....
I rarely state ... Like New.... unless they are better than perfect could ever be.
Even a book that is in its original shrink wrap can be quite damaged... specifically bumped corners, dented edges to the cover. and perhaps more...
All books weighing more than 500 grams are shipped in their own box.... boxes are cut to fit each book individually..
Books less than 500 grams are shipped lettermail ... but even then I have a special way of packing the book for lettermail shipping...
If the condition of a book has been described ... fully described without question .... then the condition cannot be questioned when the buyer has received the book.
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Too.... Too....Many booksellers have a habit of skimping and being non-specific about a book..
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Classic first editions and other books in super condition require special treatment... in their description
Look up Easton Press and Franklin Library on eBay.
Reader's Digest Classics have virtually no value...
Folio Society.... bought from the original publisher are very expensive..... but almost worthless on the secondary market.
12-30-2015 05:15 PM
@femmefan1946 wrote:In my opinion , if anyone ever owned it before, it is not "New".
In any case, I believe in diminishing expectations.
All my first editions are listed with Bumped Corners, because I figure there is a good chance that by the time it gets to the buyer , the corners will be bumped.
Have you discovered Addall yet? A very useful source for identifying books.
Also, best sellers aren't. Donate them.
Thanks. Yes, Addall was one of the first sites I studied online.
And I had no intention of selling best sellers. I know they're a dime a dozen.
12-30-2015 05:20 PM
@cumos55 wrote:I have never overstated the condition of a book.
Why?
Buyers have their own view of condition, and I would rather have a buyer state, ..." Condition was better than expected" as feedback
I rarely state anything better than very good....
I rarely state ... Like New.... unless they are better than perfect could ever be.
Even a book that is in its original shrink wrap can be quite damaged... specifically bumped corners, dented edges to the cover. and perhaps more...
All books weighing more than 500 grams are shipped in their own box.... boxes are cut to fit each book individually..
Books less than 500 grams are shipped lettermail ... but even then I have a special way of packing the book for lettermail shipping...
If the condition of a book has been described ... fully described without question .... then the condition cannot be questioned when the buyer has received the book.
---------
Too.... Too....Many booksellers have a habit of skimping and being non-specific about a book..
-------------------------
Classic first editions and other books in super condition require special treatment... in their description
Look up Easton Press and Franklin Library on eBay.
Reader's Digest Classics have virtually no value...
Folio Society.... bought from the original publisher are very expensive..... but almost worthless on the secondary market.
Thanks for your comments, cumos. I've often looked at your listings, even before I began to think of selling books, because you have such wonderful historical books. I've even sent friends and acquaintances to your site who are particularly interested in Manitoba history.
I chuckled about your Reader's Digest comment. Even the Children's Hospital book drive has stated that they don't want these.
As I slowly progress and learn more about the listing of books, no doubt I'll have more questions.
Happy New Year to all of you!!
12-30-2015 05:32 PM
12-30-2015 05:33 PM
One of the most embarrassing pictures I have ever seen in a decorating magazine was of the new home of a famous Canadian designer.
If you buy at the Bay, you would know his name.
He was posed on his library mezzanine with shelves and shelves, filled with Reader's Digest books.
Bought by the yard for the look, not the contents.
12-30-2015 06:54 PM
I was not referring to the condensed volumes of Reader's Digest
I was referring to the classics... They come in hardcover, beautifully bound
For an example link to
They do sell at the Children's Hospital sale... but as a last choice... a good read, a good looker... but not too valuable.
12-30-2015 07:05 PM
@femmefan1946 wrote:One of the most embarrassing pictures I have ever seen in a decorating magazine was of the new home of a famous Canadian designer.
If you buy at the Bay, you would know his name.
He was posed on his library mezzanine with shelves and shelves, filled with Reader's Digest books.
Bought by the yard for the look, not the contents.
LOL I know who you mean. He's a lot like Trump .... proving that money can't buy class.
12-30-2015 07:19 PM
@cumos55 wrote:I was not referring to the condensed volumes of Reader's Digest
I was referring to the classics... They come in hardcover, beautifully bound
For an example link to
They do sell at the Children's Hospital sale... but as a last choice... a good read, a good looker... but not too valuable.
Right after I sent my post, I realized that I had been thinking of the condensed volumes. You're right .... the classics are beautiful. I have about 10 or 12 that I received as gifts years ago. They aren't Reader's Digest, though. They're from the International Collector's Library. They're not worth anything either but I've read them all more than once and whenever I look at them on the shelf, I'm reminded of the wonderful stories inside.
12-30-2015 07:48 PM
I know a book collector...
--- Who collects Reader's Digest condensed books... because of the artwork if the artist was indicated....
--- Who collects First Editions.... The books follow him like a magnet... right now he is a collector... but may sell some day..
--- There is a person that collects local histories... Manitoba specifically... Does not like it when he is bid up to $25 each.... I have seen local histories go as high as $35 and one at $65... that $65 book was Beausejour.... at a local auction...
A rare Riverton/Icelandic River local history has sold for about $300 US on eBay...
I find my inventory of local histories throughout Winnipeg and southern Manitoba.... ... Out of my collection of 100 local histories I will sell about 12 to 15 each year....$75 to $100 Canadian dollars each...
Local histories....
Person in England bought Kamsack Saskatchewan and had me mail it to Dominion Street in Winnipeg.
Person in Alberta bought Ellice Manitoba,,, and had me ship it to an address just across the Red River from me...
Local Histories are few and far between... with perhaps 400, 600 or even as many as 1000 books published... and once purchased they stay with the family... mostly...
12-30-2015 08:58 PM - edited 12-30-2015 09:00 PM
12-31-2015 11:03 AM
12-31-2015 11:21 AM - edited 12-31-2015 11:24 AM
I don't specifically sell books (although I have listed a few now and then), but I was a book collector -- and reader (yes, one of those, LOL) -- for decades, and I agree with 'femmefan' and 'cumos', that it's much better to under-sell and over-deliver than to risk creating expectations in buyers' minds that they feel haven't been met.
So I think you're far safer with "Like New". Another factor to consider with books is that I think they are more likely to sustain some sort of damage in transit, however minimal, than is the case with many items. That is, unless you're prepared to send them in boxes cradled with yards of bubble wrap.
By the way, have you solved the problem of shipping cost? I stopped selling hardcover books because the individual value didn't justify the cost of shipping, and there was no way I could offer free shipping with the heavy hardcover books I wanted to sell. It's a shame, because I think there are still interested collectors out there. As Canada Post rates climb though, unless (like 'cumos') you can carve out a specialized niche market with rare and unusual books, shipping books will continue to be a tough problem.
There is another consideration around books. The advent of e-readers and digital books has been hard on the book publishing and book selling industry. I recall hearing an interview with the CEO of Chapters who said that their business is now nearing 50% digital products -- and that was at least a year ago.
As mature collectors hit retirement age and onward, I think there will be a lot of private collections becoming available, yet younger generations may not be interested in having paper books. It's tempting not to be hauling around (or displaying or storing) large, heavy physical objects when you could put an entire library into a digital device or two. I've also noticed that Google is now developing a library of digital books -- some of which are even free! The entire world of the written page is changing in a way it hasn't for 500 years since the invention of the printing press.
Still, these are just general musings. In terms of selling a few dozen books on eBay, I think if you have books that will appeal to a particular reader segment (as you've mentioned), if you keep condition expectations in check, and you can work around the shipping issues, you should be able to at least make a little money on them.
Best of luck to you! Let us know how it goes.
P.S. I had to laugh at the story of "wallpaper books". This used to be -- until it was found out -- a favourite tactic of interior designers, i.e. to decorate a room with nicely-matched and prettily coloured spines, while at the same time making their clients feel erudite. Clearly the Bay designer in question didn't get the memo with the "tackiness alert".
12-31-2015 12:05 PM
You have identified the biggest problem in book selling-shipping costs. As with any item, international shipping costs make selling difficult. A book weighing only .5 kilo costs $20 small package air and $50 tracked if shipped to UK. A slightly heavier read (say .59 kilo) is $38 air and $60 tracked. No need to give details for books over 1 kilo. Unless the book is a special, more costly one that might interest a collector, the chances of selling a low priced more general book are slim to none. Perhaps US/Canada buyers might be willing to pay about $20 shipping for a light read, but very likely the shipping costs will be greater than price of book.
My guess is successful book selling will happen only with hard to find, specialized titles.
12-31-2015 12:06 PM
@rose-dee wrote:I don't specifically sell books (although I have listed a few now and then), but I was a book collector -- and reader (yes, one of those, LOL) -- for decades, and I agree with 'femmefan' and 'cumos', that it's much better to under-sell and over-deliver than to risk creating expectations in buyers' minds that they feel haven't been met.
So I think you're far safer with "Like New". Another factor to consider with books is that I think they are more likely to sustain some sort of damage in transit, however minimal, than is the case with many items. That is, unless you're prepared to send them in boxes cradled with yards of bubble wrap.
By the way, have you solved the problem of shipping cost? I stopped selling hardcover books because the individual value didn't justify the cost of shipping, and there was no way I could offer free shipping with the heavy hardcover books I wanted to sell. It's a shame, because I think there are still interested collectors out there. As Canada Post rates climb though, unless (like 'cumos') you can carve out a specialized niche market with rare and unusual books, shipping books will continue to be a tough problem.
There is another consideration around books. The advent of e-readers and digital books has been hard on the book publishing and book selling industry. I recall hearing an interview with the CEO of Chapters who said that their business is now nearing 50% digital products -- and that was at least a year ago.
As mature collectors hit retirement age and onward, I think there will be a lot of private collections becoming available, yet younger generations may not be interested in having paper books. It's tempting not to be hauling around (or displaying or storing) large, heavy physical objects when you could put an entire library into a digital device or two. I've also noticed that Google is now developing a library of digital books -- some of which are even free! The entire world of the written page is changing in a way it hasn't for 500 years since the invention of the printing press.
Still, these are just general musings. In terms of selling a few dozen books on eBay, I think if you have books that will appeal to a particular reader segment (as you've mentioned), if you keep condition expectations in check, and you can work around the shipping issues, you should be able to at least make a little money on them.
Best of luck to you! Let us know how it goes.
P.S. I had to laugh at the story of "wallpaper books". This used to be -- until it was found out -- a favourite tactic of interior designers, i.e. to decorate a room with nicely-matched and prettily coloured spines, while at the same time making their clients feel erudite. Clearly the Bay designer in question didn't get the memo with the "tackiness alert".
rose-dee, you make some very good points. With respect to the shipping costs, I considered this several years ago when I contemplated selling books, but felt they were too prohibitive and still are, in many cases. So my intent was to list a few so-so books at first, with a reasonable shipping cost, which may or may not draw attention, but it was more for practice. And I didn`t expect, nor did I get, any sales, but I did get quite a few views. I haven`t relisted the ones which have ended because I really need to devote more time than I have right now. (As an aside, a few weeks ago, I posted that my brother suffered a massive stroke shortly after arriving in Thailand where he spends the winters. He`s still in Intensive Care in their hospital and there has been little improvement. This has been worrisome, as you can imagine, and it`s a bad time to begin a new venture).
My goal is to focus on the spiritual, meditative, religious genre of books and I have spotted a couple of likely sources. I`m hoping that I will be able to find enough interesting books that would warrant a higher shipping cost.
I agree that the number of actual hands-on book readers is declining. As a matter of interest, though, when I opened my media account four years ago, I thought I would have difficulty selling Blu-rays, DVD`s and CD`s in this day and age, since they are available digitally at every turn .... and there are thousands of sellers of these items. Surprisingly, sales continue to grow and have now far surpassed my health and beauty account. This past year, my sales are triple that of my cosmetics and skin care and the last two months have been fabulous. Among many lesser-priced sales, I sold three DVD`s, single disc, older TV movies, for $75 - $90 US.
I guess you could say I doubled my potential customer base, now consisting of men and women, and, over time, I`ve learned what people are looking for. While I have a few new releases, I`m always looking for the older, out of print DVD`s and CD`s, the hard to find ones, and the imported ones. I know of a seller in Quebec who sells only new release TV series and movies, ships within Canada only, and sells several thousand items a year. So there still is a market. For how much longer, we can only guess.
By the way, how many centimeters did you get in the last storm?
12-31-2015 12:13 PM
@realjazz-123 wrote:You have identified the biggest problem in book selling-shipping costs. As with any item, international shipping costs make selling difficult. A book weighing only .5 kilo costs $20 small package air and $50 tracked if shipped to UK. A slightly heavier read (say .59 kilo) is $38 air and $60 tracked. No need to give details for books over 1 kilo. Unless the book is a special, more costly one that might interest a collector, the chances of selling a low priced more general book are slim to none. Perhaps US/Canada buyers might be willing to pay about $20 shipping for a light read, but very likely the shipping costs will be greater than price of book.
My guess is successful book selling will happen only with hard to find, specialized titles.
I have never sold internationally and I probably would have been much more successful, financially, if I had. I only sell to Canada and the U.S., because I feel I have more control. I just don't want to be worried about lengthy travel times to Europe or Asia, or deal with the "where is my item" questions. There are too many other factors in my life that cause me stress.
Most sellers do sell internationally and have done very well. I just don't have the constitution for the potential aggravation.