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04-10-2005 08:04 PM
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04-10-2005 11:31 PM
You are not permitted to charge extra in Canada for the buyer to use paypal.


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04-11-2005 01:27 AM
I receive Canadian Dollar Payments and withdraw the funds directly to my Canadian bank account.
And what's with the ATM how does that enter the picture?
Please explain.
Ben

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04-11-2005 09:48 AM
I've seen this in other places (not allowing to charge to cover paypal fees), and although I don't personally do this, I would like to know WHERE in the law it says you can't charge more depending on method of payment? Do the stores up here who charge an extra $0.25 to use Interact know this law? 🙂
Or is it a PayPal "rule"?
John
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04-11-2005 10:01 AM
thanks
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04-11-2005 03:34 PM
http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-surcharges.html
Sellers may not charge eBay buyers an additional fee for their use of ordinary forms of payment, including acceptance of checks, money orders, electronic transfers or credit cards. Such costs should be built into the price of the item-this policy reduces the potential for confusion among bidders about the true cost of an item. Further, some forms of payment surcharges, such as credit card surcharges, are forbidden under the laws of many states, including California.
Can a seller add a surcharge to the final price of an eBay item? Yes, in three instances:
* Sellers may charge a reasonable shipping and handling fee to the final price of their item, providing that this fee is disclosed in the listing. A shipping and handling fee can cover the seller's reasonable costs for mailing, packaging and handling the item. Shipping and handling fees cannot be listed as a percentage of the final sale price.
* Sellers may pass along the costs associated with using escrow, if the buyer chooses to use escrow. Use caution when considering escrow. To avoid being deceived by fraudulent escrow services, use www.escrow.com, eBay's approved escrow service.
* Sellers may choose to accept payment in a different currency than the currency listed on eBay. If the buyer chooses to take advantage of this optional payment method, the seller may pass along to the buyer any costs associated with the currency exchange, provided that the costs are disclosed and agreed to in advance by the buyer.
Note: Some types of payment surcharges are permitted on some of eBay's international sites.

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04-11-2005 06:04 PM
All paypal debit cards are only in USD, that's a service for the US paypal users that was extended to the Canadian ones. If you already have the money in Canadian, don't convert it to US. Just do a bank transfer to your Canadian account. Otherwise (you are right) you are loosing twice but that's because of your own fault. Exchanging currencies is added cost and should only be done when strictly needed. The reason why many of us have USD accounts in the US is so that we can move our USD there and then choose when to convert to Canadian
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04-11-2005 06:57 PM
As a result we are gaining anywhere from 2% to 4% in exchange over what would have been had we allowed payment to be received in US$'s and then transferred to our Cdn$ bank account.
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04-11-2005 07:40 PM
Now if I convert my US$ sale to Canadian at the XE quoted exchange rate currently 1.23355 I have made 2.9% just by having my clients pay in Cdn funds directly....
Paypal fees mechant fees are already high enough without taking it on the chin on exchange as well.
Jeff
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04-11-2005 09:39 PM
Just add your Canadian Dollar bank account to your PyaPal profile. You can then transfer Canadian Dollars directly, it takes 2 - 4 days depending on your bank and is treated just like any other direct deposit.
For the US Dollars you either accept PayPal poorer exchange rate, spend the money in US Dollars using the debit card or paying your eBay fees (If your fees are charged in US Dollars) or best, set up an actual US based account (not a Canadian account in USD), transfer the funds from PayPal and use a third party exchange service (xe.com etc.) to convert to Canadian and deposit in your Canadian bank account.
Ben

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04-11-2005 11:12 PM
If you don't convert at the outset of the transaction and accept US$'s at some point you are going to run into a discounted exchange on selling the greenbacks, be it Paypal or another bank.
So Ben, go ahead accept US$'s and eat the exchange transfer at some point if you think it is wise. I want to be paid in Cdn $'s with the buyer paying the highest exchange possible for my benefit, not for some bank to make the spread.
Jeff
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04-12-2005 01:48 AM
Well I list on .com and over 95% of my sales are outside Canada so It's impossible not to collect a lot of US Dollars. Most of my Canadian buyers, the few that I have, pay in US Dollars even though I offer a Canadian Dollar equivalent with a favourable (for the buyer) conversion rate. Of course I prefer to receive credit card payments (via my own merchant accounts) that way I can convert to Canadian (I use the Bank of Canada Noon rates)at the best possible rate.
It would be great to sell only in Canadian Dollars but I think it's better to use US Dollars which is the standard currency for most of my buyers and my product catagory.
Ben

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04-12-2005 11:41 AM
Crap I spill more than that at lunch. I used to deal in futures in currency dealing with $10 - $30 million US at a time.
Even my own personal accounts when I lived in the US I was transferring $40,000 here and $80,000 there.
I dont know what anyone's eBay monthly sales are and their amount of US business but I would be surprised if many are loosing much more that $20 or $30 a month at worst in coversion but to save that may end up costing you a heck of a lot more in inconvenience.
Malcolm
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04-12-2005 12:41 PM
Of course it's small, perhaps between 2 and 3 points, don't know about you but I feel it's worth making a little effort to save a couple of thousand dollars a year.
Must be a nice lunch if you're spending that much.
Ben

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04-14-2005 02:04 AM
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04-15-2005 12:23 AM
Do the math again.... it works....
Jeff
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04-15-2005 12:35 AM
I just sold an item and converted to Cdn $'s and sent a request for money in Cdn$'s instead of invoicing in US$'s....
Cdn value was $71.56 ... Paypal fees = $2.68 or 3.675%
Earlier I did a US$ transaction for $61.49 US and the Paypal fee was $2.08 or 3.38%
Now tonight, if I transfer US$'s via Paypal I get an exchange of 1.2107, however by converting using the XE quoted rate I get 1.24344 or a premium of 3.274%
When I transfer more than $149.99 Cdn from Paypal to my Cdn bank account, I suffer no service charge...
So, as I do the math, I see that I suffer a small Paypal premium of about 1/3 of 1% by dealing in Cdn, however even after taking this into effect my net gain is between 2.9 and 3% exchange. Seems good to me? Where do I loose?
Jeff
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04-15-2005 01:29 AM
I find the best approach being to keep everything in USD. Listing in .com in USD, billed by eBay in USD, getting paid by buyers in USD, purchasing products in USD, etc. But to do that, you have to be able to withdraw PayPal funds in USD.
I did the math, and figured about $5,000 savings over a year period by not losing in currency exchange (your mileage will vary depending on your purchase/sales volume). This is just from not having to convert PayPal payments from USD to CAD, then buy products in CAD from suppliers that also accept payment in USD. If I was to do it in Canadian dollars, I'd get an exchange of 1.20 (today) from PayPal and pay to suppliers the equivalent of 1.24 exchange over their USD price. By keeping it all in USD, I save about 6 points (2 from PayPal, 4 from the suppliers).
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04-15-2005 02:53 PM
All the banks have these types of services. They are generally kept for their "Special" customers but you can ask and perhaps demand the Special package related to foreign exchange in order for your bank to keep your business and help your business grow, in turn meaning more business for your bank.
Sometimes the terms may require you to keep a $5,000 deposit in the account or pay a fee for the privelage however, like everything else, all is negotiable.
Malcolm
