Public servants’ number of sick days are ‘unsustainable’: Clement

The Conservative government is taking aim at sick leave in the public service, where it says the absenteeism rate of 18.2 days a year is more than 2 1/2 times the the private-sector average.


Treasury Board President Tony Clement outlined the new policies Monday in the foyer of the House of Commons, releasing the first details on plans that were hinted at in the March, 2013, budget.


Mr. Clement wants to replace the existing rules, which haven’t been changed since 1970, with two new programs. A short-term disability system will be put in place for workers with temporary illnesses.


The long-term disability program will be reformed with an aim to improve reintegration into the workplace.


Mr. Clement points out that the current system of banked sick days leads to an absenteeism rate that is well above the average of 6.7 days in the private sector.


“That is simply unsustainable for any employer that intends to run a modern, high-performing and effective work force,” said Mr. Clement.


The minister argues that not only is the current system a problem for taxpayers, it is not fair to employees.


Relying on banked sick days is an “inefficient and haphazard” way of managing human resources, according to the minister, because it does not involve case management and rehabilitation support.


“It’s also unfair to employees. If you are stricken with a sudden illness and you need an operation that will force you to be off work for three or four months, but you don’t have enough sick days, you are simply out of luck,” he said.


According to the minister, 11 per cent of public servants do not have any banked sick days and nearly 60 per cent don’t have enough sick days to cover them until the 13-week mark, when long-term disability insurance kicks in. This is seen by the government as discriminatory toward newer and younger employees.


It is not clear exactly what the change in policy will mean for sick days and whether there will be an annual amount set aside.


This latest government proposal will become part of the bargaining mix when negotiations get seriously under way in 2014. Changing the rules surrounding sick leave and disability will require changes to collective agreements, many of which expire in 2015.


Monday’s announcement is the latest tranche in a series of reforms and proposed reforms aimed at saving money and improving productivity.


Previous changes included requiring workers to foot half the cost of pension programs, eliminating voluntary severance for workers who quit their jobs and implementing mandatory performance management reviews.


The changes – combined with consecutive years of budget cuts in federal departments – have led to a sometimes hostile relationship between the government and public sector unions. The largest federal union – the Public Service Alliance of Canada – has run several versions of a campaign called “Harper Hates Me” that criticizes Prime Minister Stephen Harper.


Mr. Clement notes that at annual cost of $43-billion, spending on public sector pay and benefits is the most significant federal expenditure.


 


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Can't you take responsibilities for the actions and inactions of the current government in power for seven years?


 


 


when are YOU going to admit it was the PAST LIBERAL Government that created the mess the current government is TRYING to fix?


 


it is ALWAYS "what is this government doing to fix it" but NEVER "I admit the previous government made a MESS!"


 


it was the previous LIBERAL government that started with the "golden handshakes" called severance packages ever when they quit or retired that this government did away with and it was the previous LIBERAL government that started with the banked "sick" days that you can take 6 months to a year off before you retire on FULL pay using up your "banked sick days" even though you are NOT sick!!


 


be a MAN and stand up and admit it was the PREVIOUS government that left this mess to start with!

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Do not trust Tony Clement or anything he says.  He is serving the delights of his leader.


He has lied to the citizens and sick children of London only a few years ago.

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I have not taken a sick day in over 22 years.


 

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Do not trust Tony Clement or anything he says.  He is serving the delights of his leader.


 


Clement is a left over from Mike Harris. That alone says a lot. He and Stevie boy figure that if they go after the public service they will get accolades from their supporters, mostly angry disenfranchised people.


The sick days or personal days is something negotiated long ago with unions. It's sort of along the same lines as before unions people worked 6 days a week and often over 40 hours without being paid for it. Holidays.....were for the most part unheard of. Harper is feeling desperate because of his new contender and the polls......not to mention all his party's problems, resignations and Harper's own sad personality which people have not only got tired of but that new contender in the next election actually has a personality. The attacking of the public service will keep Harper's base supporters in line but it won't be enough, not now.


Personally I don't agree with sick days when someone isn't sick, but I also realize that it was an agreement and the only real way to change it is 'negotiation'. If you use a big stick.....the people you are beating with it will just find a bigger one. Harper isn't a statesman, he's a divider.


I also wonder why women and men get months off after having a child? I know a woman who works for the government and after 4 children she is half the time at home and being paid for it. I'm sure she is not the only one. Her and her husband (he has an average job) have a fine fairly new home and they also have two properties they rent out rooms to students. I figure that if you're going to have a child......save for it.......prepare for it....and then take the time off on your dime.


I also wonder how much actual 'work' politicians put into their day. They're paid good money and golden handshake pensions few other see and yet......we really have no idea what they do on a daily basis, or if it's worth what he is getting paid. There's a politician near me who spends most of his morning in a coffee shop and the rest on his farm. He got such a hassle from others about not working doing his political work that he moved to a new coffee shop to avoid the criticism.


My point is........too many people seem to believe they have entitlement......while others work to make ends meet and can't afford a day off.  





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I have not taken a sick day in over 22 years. 


 


But did you ever go to work sick (i.e. with a cold or flu?). 


 


I would much rather people took a sick day -- if truly sick -- and get past the contagious stage than infect people around them by feeling compelled to go to work for financial reasons. 


 


Some people are extremely fortunate to have robust health and strong immunity, others are not.  Some may need 2 or 3 weeks a year to get over viruses, others may rarely need a day off.  Surely there must be a fair medium, say 8 to 10 days a year, beyond which you don't get paid or have short term disability coverage for which you pay the premiums.  This is about the usual in private sector office positions in my experience.


 


Although 18.2 sick days does seem excessive, there was no explanation as to how that figure was arrived at. 


 


By the way, I had to wonder -- is there a possibility this sudden "initiative" could be a ploy to divert the public's attention away from all the current troubles the Conservatives have?   

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"is there a possibility this sudden "initiative" could be a ploy to divert the public's attention away from all the current troubles the Conservatives have?   "


 


No, no, no.


 


No way.  These guys are much too honest to play such games.

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These guys are much too honest to play such games.


 


I just choked on my coffee!!!!!!!!!!!  Gheesh!!!!!!!





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Rose. I haven't had the flu for years.


I was lucky enough that when I got a cold that it coincided with my days off.


You don't that you are sick when you are the most infectious.


 

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in case you MISSED it this has been in the works for about 4 years. They have already taken care of the Military and some Federal bureaus.


nice that you are finally catching on!!!


 


Wonder why it was OK when the Provincial LIBERALS did it to the Teachers and Nurses but not OK when the Federal conservatives do it??

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"but not OK when the Federal conservatives do it??"


 


I think you are missing the point.  Most Canadians - from all political parties - want public servants to be paid fairly with fair benefits including "sick days".  Abuse should be stopped.


 


The problem is that Harper has been in power for seven years and NOTHING had been done about it but talk... talk... talk.  Look at the long list of negotiated agreements in the last four years with public servants.  Where do you see the government doing anything to solve the "sick days" problem?  Where?


 


Don't waste your time looking.  It is not there.  Talk, talk, talk... but no balls to solve the problem!

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If Harper had brought these issues forward prior to getting a majority it would have been defeated by the other parties.


What the point in wasting time when it will get defeated?

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it has been in the works for a while AND he knows it!!


 


they have already done the severance end of it with the military and some Federal departments. Sick days are the next step!

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"it would have been defeated by the other parties."


 


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Do you have any idea how the system works?


 


Contract negotiations between the Treasury Board and the civil servants represented by their unions have nothing to do with Parliament and the opposition parties.


 


The only time it goes to Parliament is when a law is presented by the government to prevent or end a strike (Postal workers, Air Canada for example)


 


The point some conservative partisan supporters are missing is that most Canadians from all political orientation agree with the Minister that abuse must be contained.  He stated the problem has been growing (it was not there before, now it is there and needs to be solved).


 


The question raised had nothing to do with taking action against offenders.  It was: why did it take the Harper government so long to recognize that growing problem and act on it.


 


The next question is: will they in fact act on it or just talk, talk, talk, and drag their feet until just before the next election when they will force a strike for government workers on the issue with their "get tough against unions" attitude trying to buy votes?

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Contract negotiations between the Treasury Board and the civil servants represented by their unions have nothing to do with Parliament and the opposition parties.


 


I see your point Pierre. Harper dragged his feet on this one.


On the other hand. Would the liberals ever do anything about this?


Chretien had three terms and chose to ignore it.

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"Would the liberals ever do anything about this?:"


 


Actually, you should ask that question to Mr Clement.  According to his statement, and assuming his numbers are accurate, this is a relatively new problem when was not there before but has been growing in recent years.


 


I went back to the Mulroney years and could not find anything anywhere about the problem.

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Pierre. Clement is wrong about how long it has being going on.


Your hatred for Harper is clouding your perspective on this issue.


 

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"Clement is wrong"


 


???


 


It would be nice if he could come up with actual numbers to back up his statements.


 


At this time, people seem to support the initiative without having too many facts to back it up.


 


It should not be that difficult to tell Canadians (for example): in 2012, absenteeism in the public sector was 18.2 days a year (compared to 6.7 in the private sector).


In 2011 it was ...


In 2010 it was ...


in 2009 it was ...


in 2008 it was ...


in 2007 it was ...


in 2006 it was ...


in 2005 (under the last Liberal government) it was ...


 


Knowing the facts we help all Canadians (regardless of political orientation) to better understand what he meant when he referred to the problem as "growing".


 


Why speculate?

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Why speculate?


 


Because it allows people's 'imaginations' to run wild and then that creates anger and that is the foundation for Harper followers.


Harper or his handlers who coach his minions, know how to psychologically handle the masses. It's nothing new, politicians and dictators have been doing it since the days of the Romans....Hitler was a master at it. Just this week Harper was at the EU and talking about the 'terrorist' countries of Iran and Palestine and propping up Israel. He definitely has several agendas and he's going to pound away at them and manipulate it at home and across the pond, but the one thing they will be missing is .......the truth.





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Worth listening to:


http://www.cbc.ca/player/News/Canada/Ottawa/Audio/ID/2390712066/

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Clement:  "absenteeism rate of 18.2 days a year"


 


Does that include unpaid sick days?  long term disability?

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