09-07-2013 12:14 PM
An incredible amount of ink has been spent on the reaction to the proposed Charter of Quebec Values, considering that the document itself remains veiled to the wider public.
For those wishing to brush up on laïcité, John Bowen’s Why the French Don’t Like Headscarves provides an excellent analysis of the distinctively French view of the separation between church and state. According to Mr. Bowen, laïcité is a French tradition that began in 1905 when the Roman Catholic church was officially removed from France’s educational system and a greater part of public life.
The distinction between laïcité and secularism is partly due to the different philosophies of Jean-Jacques Rousseau and John Locke. According to Rousseau, the individual gains freedom through the state, which has the right to regulate the public sphere of religion. On the other hand, Locke placed freedom of conscience as the cornerstone of individual rights, which guarantees freedom from the state. These opposing views have permeated societies with French and British roots.
After having undergone a revolution far more quiet than that of their French counterparts, Quebeckers have embarked on a long overdue debate on their own definition of laïcité. It will be shaped by cultural heritage, linguistic identity and the contemporary reality of living in a fully anglicized North American milieu shaped by Lockean roots.
The past decade witnessed a similar vigorous debate in France. “Conspicuous” religious symbols were prohibited in public schools in 2004; face coverings were banned in public spaces in 2010. Many French Muslim leaders came out in favour of discouraging the face veil, citing the incompatibility of a non-obligatory practice with the French tradition of laïcité. It also marked a maturation of Europe’s largest Muslim minority by adapting to the historical and social realities of France – rather than importing those of the Middle East or North Africa. Such an approach provides a valuable paradigm for Muslim communities that seek to integrate into the wider Western fabric, while remaining true to overarching Islamic principles.
Often, Muslims chafe at monolithic characterizations of their faith. Yet they sometimes do the very same by insisting that Islam should be practised in a uniform manner, regardless of place and time. For example, some will insist that there is only one way to dress modestly. Yet Islamic civilization always took into account local culture and changing circumstances, resulting in cultural tones and variations that are readily apparent in diverse Muslim populations throughout the world.
Some argue that Islamic radicalization is culturally predatory since it seeks to undercut indigenous culture by imposing an exogenous practice, as evidenced in Somalia and Mali. While Muslim communities do not have such a narrow agenda, they have often failed to examine local history and culture in a meaningful way.
As a result, some have inadvertently harmed community development by importing foreign cultural practices that have little relevance to local context. Take, for example, the influx during the 1970s and ’80s of foreign preachers and imams into Canada who told Muslims not to vote, since Western governments were un-Islamic. This strategy only served to marginalize Muslims from civic engagement, and delayed the development of civic and political leadership.
Muslim communities must realize that their home is here, and that it will take great effort to develop Islamic practice that has a Canadian tone, with regional variations. This implies ceasing blind importation of overseas cultural practices, or consultation of overseas imams who have no desire to understand Western cultural context.
Institutions should reflect local best practices, where discourse, debate and inclusion of stakeholders set the tone. Currently, most Muslim institutions are replicas of their foreign counterparts, with a top-down approach in which the voices of women and youth are often absent.
We need intelligent, dispassionate discussions of how Western principles, such as gender equality, freedom of conscience, freedom of expression and critical inquiry, meld with overarching Islamic principles.
Civic engagement will also be paramount for future integration, as Muslims participate in wider policy issues, such as the environment, energy security, aboriginal self-assertion and, yes, Quebec identity.
In classical Islamic thought, the overriding principle of the faith was understood to be mercy. It was manifest by the intent to do good to others, to bring benefit to the wider society and to prevent harm. It is a principle worth resurrecting as Muslims establish roots here.
09-07-2013 04:39 PM
We need intelligent, dispassionate discussions of how Western principles, such as gender equality, freedom of conscience, freedom of expression and critical inquiry, meld with overarching Islamic principles.
First ..........we have to find and practice all those qualities in ourselves.
And as far as Islam is concerned......if more people actually knew more Muslim people in Canada......they would find a massive percentage of them are as open and free and liberal thinking as many of us are.
09-08-2013 08:48 AM
As stated by radical Choydary:
As stated by Imam Anjen Choudary, the following statements accurately describe the true beliefs of Islam.
"They may say one thing to you in front of CNN but I can assure you behind your backs they are standing with their Muslim brother and sisters... It is an Islamic obligation."
-- Imam Anjem Choudary"The Shariah is the divine law sent by Allah... It is justice for mankind... It is a noble thing to invite someone to a superior way of life."
-- Imam Anjem Choudary
All debunk I suppose. (debunk: A word used by people unable to see reality from a point of view other than the one they were indoctrinated into from childhood.)
09-08-2013 10:31 PM
As stated by Imam Anjen Choudary...
You pick a totally radical individual to support your premise but that is not representative off all Muslim people or Islam. The vain attempt only shows how weak your view is. I've said to you countless times......'go to the London Mosque and talk to them'.........but you refuse. That tells a lot.
09-09-2013 03:17 PM
As ususal Prior you overlooked my first line where I referred to him as a radical Muslim - "As stated by radical Choydary:"
As well I referred to his statements as "debunk", but you missed that one too.
Why do you do that?
09-09-2013 03:38 PM
Why do you do that?
Because you don't explain your personal view clearly. You state what some radical says. We all know there are radicals or fanatics in all religions, political parties, and many other groups but ............you never state openly that you as in individual do not believe all Muslim people follow the radical views and a majority of them are not fanatics.
Neither did I miss anything. I've known you for a long time.
Doors Open in London is in Oct of this year. You can find a link to it on the Internet. The London Mosque is one of the sites open to the public.
09-09-2013 04:12 PM
Well let's hope that islam doesn't succumb to radicalism here in the future as is taking place now in Syria and Egypt where radical is fighting radical in a civil religious war. As far as we know London has only produced two who attended mosques here and subsequently lost their lives attacking a gas plant in Africa.
09-09-2013 05:54 PM
09-09-2013 07:56 PM
"Two Canadians suspected of participating in an al-Qaeda-linked attack at an Algerian gas plant have been identified as former high school friends from London, Ont.
Xristos Katsiroubas and Ali Medlej, who were in their early 20s, both attended London South Secondary, the CBC reported.
The pair had also travelled overseas with at least two former classmates, the report said.
Although they both had relatively normal Canadian beginnings, friends quoted in the story say that Mr. Katsiroubas became more distant in later years after converting to Islam."
Nothing subliminal or suggestive, just the facts.
09-10-2013 11:29 AM - edited 09-10-2013 11:30 AM
I am very familiar with the story valve, but the way you said ''as far as we know'' suggests, subtly insinuates, that there might be more people who are the same in London. That is what I view as fear mongering and in doing that it puts innocent people, especially Mulsim people, who are often visually distinctive,......under suspicion. The same type of fear mongering was done to Japanese people, Black people and Jewish people. I thought we would have learned from the past.
'Open Doors' Sept 28 and 29 2013 ....or you can go there any day and talk to them and learn that there is nothing to fear from these people and a lot of good to say about them.