Selling someone else's stuff

I know all the usual answers. I know all the pitfalls. Not my point. My wife's boss has become a personal friend. She has a collection of Inuit carvings from years of working in the north. One piece on display, signed and dated, I am WAG $1500. She is into it for $80.

 

Selling her stuff would be a hobby for me. She has no desire to sell herself, donate, give as gifts. Tell her to set up her own account that I would manage, I would get the "Pound sand" response.

 

I want the challenge more than the money.

 

I'm thinking 30% off the top and I pay expenses. She is a senior level hospital administrator who does not want a complicated answer.

 

Thoughts?

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A few things

 

(1) Look for names and numbers on the bottom... and then do a search on the internet.

 

(2) Ask the owner to indicate where the item was original purchased...  provenance... source and perhaps where the artist lives....  and how long ago the item was carved, as indicated by date of purchase....

 

(3) The Winnipeg Art Gallery has a very extensive collection...  check for information on their website.

 

(4) Also be aware that not all soapstone carvings may not be carved by Inuit.

 

It was about 15 years I found a rather interesting soapstone carving... could not find anything in relation to Inuit.

 

The Winnipeg Art Gallery had an exhibition, with published catalogue...  and found out the carver was from the Garden Hill Indian Reserve in Northern Manitoba.......The intent was to set up a cooperative similar to those established in relation to the Inuit....  Things did not catch on at the Garden Hill location, and there was only one exhibition....

 

(5) Pricing depends on the artist , and the age, the style  as well as condition....

 

(6) If needed --- Lots of good books available....  I had found and sold many catalogues from the Winnipeg Art Gallery.... and lots of collectors have contributed their collections  to the Winnipeg Art Gallery

 

 

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This is a very dull reply but I would check very carefully tax ramifications:

 

1) GST and PST in Manitoba as they apply to you as agent earning a commission and to her as the owner of the goods being sold.  I suspect only the gross commission earned on those sales would be taxable to you from GST perspective but that should be checked carefully. The PST angle on commission is more complex.

 

2) Income tax as it relates to her. Sales of personal property are generally not taxable except when the profit exceeds $1,000 where they may become taxable as capital gain on disposal of personal property.

 

A competent local accountant specializing in taxation should be able to help you.  This is a very tricky area and a DIY answer may not be appropriate.

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Before agreeing to ruin your friendship act as her agent, I would have her get a written appraisal from a gallery specializing in First Nations art.

I love the stuff, but frankly there are a lot of excellent craftsmen in the field and only a few artists.  Witness the number of 'Dancing Bear' sculptures out there. Not exactly copies but not exactly originals either.

With an appraisal based on value at auction, she and you will have a better idea of what she can get.

She may even decide to go for a specialist auction house, perhaps recommended by the appraiser (who would get a finder's fee from the auctioneer) rather than take chances on eBay.

 

I'm not convinced that Inuit art has a great following outside of Canada, so eBay may not be a good venue.

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@mr.elmwood wrote:

 


I know nothing about the tax, GST, PST implications of this proposal in your particular situation, but my impression off the top is that three things raised eyebrows: 

 

1)  "...My wife's boss"  (Actually these are 3 potential issues in 1 -- you/your wife;  you/your wife's boss; and your wife/her boss.  Try to imagine a scenario, any scenario, where there might be some disagreement over the price obtained, issues with the buyer, shipping problems (breakage, loss), issues over provenance and true value.  OMG.  Who would be most upset with you -- your wife, or her boss, or both?  This could be a very generous activity on your part to "help out" your wife's boss, or it could end in a rather unpleasant scene, with fallout for your wife's job.  I'm usually quite an optimist, but I think you might be storm-chasing here without a weather report. 

 

2)  "Selling her stuff would be a hobby for me"  You are generous, but is your wife's boss really just as generous if something does go wrong?  It might end up not only not being a hobby, but occupying 90% of your personal time (see #1) above). 

 

3)  Provenance & value -- As 'cumos' says, where artwork, and especially native artwork is concerned, a lot of homework and research is in order before beginning to sell.  If you don't have provenance (preferably directly from the artist him/herself) for each piece, you should attempt to get at least some background.  

 

Regarding value, I'm a bit confused by what you mean by your estimate that one item is worth ca. $1500, but she is "into it" for $80.  Did you mean she bought it for $80, or only wants $80 for it?  The latter seems (sorry to say) a bit suspicious, or at least a little odd.  

 

If she has a bona fide collection of native art, she could bring in a gallery or museum specialist -- or even a local auction house that specializes in art -- and get the whole lot appraised and possibly sold in one fell swoop. Galleries are often dying to get their hands on this kind of stuff if it's authentic.  Why go through the process of selling them off, through you, piece by piece?  These sorts of collections, if truly authentic, are worth a lot today!  Something (sorry again) just doesn't seem quite right with this.  This won't be doing you a favour, in the end.  You'll be spending a lot of your time doing her a favour, as long as everything goes as expected.  

 

OK, I've said my piece, not knowing the full details of course.  However, given what you've described, if this were my husband's boss, and these were (purportedly) pieces of true native art, I think I'd decline.  At the very least, I'd do some considerable homework, and also (yes, despite this being your wife's boss -- or maybe because of that fact) I'd probably do up a brief consignment agreement in friendly letter-form, for the items, setting out your terms.  Just so that it isn't all done on a handshake.  In other words, not a hobby. Woman Frustrated

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Wow, we were just about to say the same thing at just about the same time.  You beat me to it (and more succinctly, too!).  Woman Happy

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Everything you guys are saying is spot-on. The dynamics of the inter-personal relationships, I cannot even begin to explain.

 

The owner of the pieces has zero interest in doing any leg-work. They are a senior hospital executive bent on retirement, down sizing, other dynamic issues of a highly personal nature.  I "think" this person's goal, when the day comes in the next year or so, is to leave town with a suitcase, and not much more.

 

Getting together with WAG is a good idea. I will be in Winnipeg mid September.

 

The pieces were all acquired in the NWT. The, my guess, $1500 piece, she bought for $80 back in 1995.

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I have sold some Inuit soapstone carvings that I collected, although not here. If you unscrew the carving from the base there should be a signature. If the signature is not that of a well known artist they will be a hard sell - just like selling paintings from unknown artists.

Also, I think 30% is loo low a commission to charge. The usual charge here seems to be at least 40% of the selling price plus payment of ebay/PayPal fees. The seller/owner should also agree to you holding back their profit for 60 days after the sale due to returns/chargebacks.
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VN, excellent. I have not seen the sculptures, but, this person is no-one's fool.

 

I suggested they give these away as gifts. I got that look that froze me like a deer in the headlights.

 

40% plus fees almost struck me as high until I considered what a B&M would have to charge for the same thing. Probably at least that and probably more. As a senior person where I used to work said "We have to protect our profit".

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