Taxpayers on the hook for Trudeaus childcare expensives

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Makes perfect sense since his election platform pledged to take away family income splitting as well as child care UCCB payments.

And replace it with what, hasn't said.

 

 

In these times, Mr. Harper's top priority is to give wealthy families like his and mine $2,000," Trudeau said in reference to the Conservatives' income-splitting tax credit. "Let me tell you something: We don't need it. And Canada can't afford it."

Trudeau is also entitled to collect annual UCCB payments of about $3,400 for his three children.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/justin-trudeau-nannies-taxpayers-1.3344533

 

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"but he chastised Harper for doing something similar."

 

No he did not.  This is another total fabrication.

 

His comments towards Harper had to do with tax breaks and monthly allowances for high income earners.  Nothing to do with staffing at the PM residence.

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Technically perhaps however similar is the operative word. It's all connected abusing taxpayers money. 

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I see a bit of confusion over tax laws and the special assistants to the PM household. Which is technically what they're called under subsection 7(1) of the Official Residences Act. Harper had 6 special assistants. Each PM is allowed them to help out with whatever duties they require. In Trudeau's case, he has 3 young children so they help out with that along with other household duties. I'm not sure who attached the label "Nannies". Among Harper's assistants was a meatloaf specialist. I guess he was a big fan of meatloaf. He is now working for Rona Ambrose ( yes she is entitled to domestic help too ). Trudeau has promised that his number of domestic help will not exceed the number Harper had so it won't be a further drain on taxpayers.

 

I do understand why people feel the way they do but it's just a label that has been assigned to the help. I don't think he should be required to pay for his domestic help ( special assistants ) any more than any other PM has. Whether it's to help with the children or cook Meatloaf. I also feel that his children are more important than Rona's new chef, which the taxpayer's are paying for. Trudeau replaced the chef with a special assistant that could help the children instead.

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It's the same old same old Liberal entitlement mentality Les. And what's with Justin's promised gender equality. Two female nannies?

Where's mom in attending to their child care that they have a need for two nannies? 

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Applies in Canada also.

 

The Liberal Left's Dirty Little Secret: The Middle Class and Poor Pay For the Entitlement State

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/paulroderickgregory/2012/12/05/the-liberal-lefts-dirty-little-secret-the...

 

 

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A reduction of 1½% on federal tax is a pittance. And worse is those with taxable income below $43,953.00 who get zero nadda nothing, no reduction.

And that eliminates a large percentage of taxpayers from benefiting from the Trudeau tax the rich scheme. Single women for example who may have a child. Or many families who have one paycheck. 

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"A reduction of 1½% on federal tax is a pittance. "

 

???

 

I am looking at a guy like Valve, earning nearly $90,000 in retirement.  The new program will SAVE him almost $600.00 in income tax.

 

Is that fair?  Is it too little?  Is it too much?

 

 

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What a miscalculation by the Liberals Pierre! The revenue neutral on their tax the rich to lower tax on the middle class has turned into a 1.2 billion dollar deficit boondoggle.

 

A boondoggle is a project that is considered a useless waste of both time and money, yet is often continued due to extraneous policy or political motivations.

 

Oh well thanks anyways.Smiley Very Happy

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" tax the rich to lower tax on the middle class has turned into a 1.2 billion dollar deficit "

 

OK - so lowering income tax on a large percentage of Canadians while adding tax on the top 1% earners costs $1.2 billion

 

What is wrong with that? Back in 2006/2007 the Harper government cut the GST from 7% to 5% (in two steps) at a cost of more than $6 billion for each percentage point - over $12 billion in total - with the largest portion of the cut going to high spenders. Those two cuts were largely responsible for most annual federal deficits in the following years.

 

One saves a lot more tax GST/HST buying a Cadillac than a second hand Ford. Who really benefited the most from the GST tax cut?

 

What is best?  Spending $12 billion or $1.2 billion with the benefits going mostly to the "middle class"?

 

Background information on the Harper GST cuts from a source generally favourable to the Conservatives: 

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/canada-lost-when-ottawa-cut-the-gst/articl...

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It's pretty obvious Pierre that Gauge/Valve doesn't really care about anything other than who is introducing the tax cut. If the Conservatives introduced it, it's good. If the Liberals did it's bad.

That family income splitting he was so supportive of was going to cost the Feds 2.2 Billion and benefit fewer people but he didn't care.

 

http://business.financialpost.com/news/economy/income-splitting-to-cost-canada-2-2-billion-and-have-...

 

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I realize it hurts (obvious from your reply as you are usually kinder) that your poster boy is going to exceed his 10 billion a year deficit promise to dear knows what. I think his refugee and  native promises will put a strain on keeping the deficit reasonable, especially with the dismal resource based economy outlook. Those are more important than the infrastructure promise which can wait.

 

The question is do you care?  

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About you?

Not for a second. 





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The difference in the 2 percent GST drop by Harper is it applied to every segment of the population unlike the pick and choose by Trudeau. I think it was in early question period yesterday a MP from down east said 85% of the provinces wage earners make less than $45000 taxable income a year so I guess they got left out. That applies to two thirds of Canadians. Do you care?

 

 http://www.pressprogress.ca/3_reasons_why_the_middle_class_tax_cut_does_not_truly_benefit_the_middle...

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"going to exceed his 10 billion a year deficit "

 

There is no doubt in my mind that the deficit will be in the area of $15 billion (give or take a few billion either way).

 

$10 billion from the promises made during the election campaign and an extra $5 billion to account for the structural deficit left by the Harper government (as per independent budget office). Harper knowingly lied about the size of the deficit while in office and during the campaign and it would be unfair to blame the new government for that repeated lie.

 

Conservative supporters are always quick to use the word "promise" when dealing with other parties.  In my book, when dealing with large numbers, governments are dealing with "targets" or "goals".

 

The word "promise" is grossly over-used.

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"every segment of the population"

 

Another distortion of facts.

 

Every independent study made at the time clearly stated that the drop in GST favoured high income earners as they are the ones spending the most on taxable products and services.

 

Most economists (not associated with the Conservative Party) concluded that the 2% GST drop and loss of over $12 billion to the federal coffers was bad economic policy.

 

It is much more efficient and fairer to tax spending than income. 

 

Harper should have done what the Liberals are doing : lower income taxes on earnings instead of lowering GST on spending.

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The point is it benefited all equally no matter what they spent.

 

Nice Xmas card from Rona!

 

 

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I just hope this middle-income tax break doesn't have conditions that apply to get it. I'm middle-income but never qualified for any of Harper's tax breaks. The GST of course but it seemed that all the others were targeted to special interest groups.

 

The Business tax rate went from 22% to 15%. You probably know Pierre - were there any conditions attached to that like you had to be a certain size ( financially ) or had to have so many employee's, etc.

 

It seems a bit hypocritical to me for someone that never complained about year over year deficits and the added 150 Billion to Canada's debt over the last 10 years to suddenly find a big problem with that. I don't like deficits or the accumulative debt any more than the next guy.

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"tax break doesn't have conditions that apply to get it"

 

No.  It is a straight forward reduction of 1.5% to the tax rate.

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"Nice Xmas card from Rona!"

 

I do not get any Christmas card from any political party at any level.  I like to remain independent.

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It seems a bit hypocritical to me for someone that never complained about year over year deficits and the added 150 Billion to Canada's debt over the last 10 years to suddenly find a big problem with that. I don't like deficits or the accumulative debt any more than the next guy.

 

I don't either Les but do you not recall the 2008 world wide recession? It required serious deficit financing lasting many years. We were nearly free of deficit and now ......................................

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