11-12-2013 12:36 PM
Whats really weird is that I can send a small package to Australia for under $9 using Canada Post Small Package but I cant send one from BC to Nova Scotia using that or a similar service for that price.
Wake up Canada Post!
11-12-2013 12:40 PM
Wake up Canada Post!
You want them to raise the price of Small Packets?
11-12-2013 01:15 PM
Small Packet International Air for 250 grams to Australia is $10.23.
Small Packet International Surface 250 grams to Australia is $7.59.
Are you actually going to ship surface to Australia with minimum 4-6 week delivery time?
To be fair in comparing services, Expedited Parcel within Canada from BC to NS for a 250 gram package is $11.06 using PayPal shipping labels. Very close in rates to SP Air to Australia at $10.23.
11-12-2013 05:46 PM
Yes, Small/Light Packet has been the best thing going for us sellers, with or without the insurance. Let's not complain about a great service!
I imagine volume has everything to do with the price differential between parcel services in Canada and small parcel services to the U.S. and elsewhere.
To the OP: I'm just wondering -- aren't you able to ship your jewellery in bubble envelopes by lettermail within Canada? I realize there's no insurance, but you could incorporate a small amount into your asking price to cover self-insurance and save a lot on shipping costs. Or do you ship the items in gift boxes, etc.?
11-12-2013 06:39 PM
Canada post is much expensive comparing to that in the United States. However, most of our customers are come from the US, which most of them did not realize this difference. It is very hard to run a business in Canada. We have several items that can not sell online due to high expensive in shipping fee.
11-13-2013 09:18 AM
There seems to be some misunderstanding of the OP's post, particularly on the part of Recped and Poco.
The OP has come to the realization that , in some instances, it's cheaper to mail something out of Canada than within Canada; Poco gives an example. This absurdity results, of course, from Canada Post's overly restrictive first-class (lettermail) category (max thickness 2 cm and max weight 500 g) and their refusal to offer a Small Packet service domestically. Just one of the ways Canada Post shafts the Canadian public for the sake of increased revenue generation.
The vast majority of the Canadian populace has no clue as to any of this. All they might possibly care about is the price of a domestic stamp. They don't even realize it when, on a Monday morning in mid-January, Canada Post marches them to the woodshed for their annual thrashing.
Instead of Wake up, Canada Post, the OP should have written Wake up, Canada!
Tom
11-13-2013 12:24 PM
Canada Post does not deliver to Australia, never has, does not now, never will. The Australian Post Office does. Your question should be directed to them.
My parcels to Australia. I drop them off in a bin to go to the sorting plant in town, down to Mississauga, then out of the country the next morning. How much does that cost?
My parcel to Whale Slap NL, dropped off, has to be scanned, goes to the in town plant, sorted to the next plant, transferred a couple times, driven across the country, put on a ferry, driven to another sorting plant, sorted, sent to another PO, sorted to the mail carrier, mail carrier delivers, takes about a week. How much does that cost?
11-13-2013 12:41 PM
@toff3 wrote:There seems to be some misunderstanding of the OP's post, particularly on the part of Recped and Poco.
Tom
Tom, your sarcasm detector needs adjustments!
Seriously though, if Canada Post keeps raising the price of Small Packets eventually the OP's rant will be moot as it will no longer be true.
It's interesting that the exact same situation (to a lesser degree) was true in the USA as well. That is until they raised their International rates for First Class packages thereby eliminating that particular price anomaly.
11-13-2013 12:42 PM
I'm glad SOMEONE was discerning enough to understand a pretty clear post.
Canada post does not provide a service where I can ship a 2"x2" box from BC to Nova Scotia as cheaply as say from Canada to Australia using Canada Post Small Package..
11-13-2013 12:50 PM
11-13-2013 12:55 PM
11-13-2013 01:12 PM
"but the rates for service via Canada Post small packages are set here in Canada."
That is quite true.
With the exception of domestic lettermail where the rates are legislated by the federal government, Canada Post is free to charge for parcel delivery whatever the competition will allow. For example, if Canada Post charges $15 to deliver a small parcel from somewhere in Ontario to NL or BC, that is because nobody else will do it cheaper. That is the reality of our small marketplace in such huge territory. It cannot be compared to any other country in the world where population density is much greater.
Once competitors (UPS, Canpar, Fed-Ex, DHL, buslines, railwoads, trucking outfits, whoever) start offering competing services at lower prices, Canada Post will lower its rates to meet competition. In the meantime.... they take whatever they can get, wherever they can get it.
11-13-2013 01:15 PM
I should have added that Canada Post is not offering a public service when accepting parcels for delivery. It is a commercial operation, competing with others, in expectations of making a profit. Canada Post has a mandate not to lose money.
Canadian taxpayers will not allow their tax money to go to Canada Post to allow the Crown Corporation to compete with commercial carriers. That would not make any sense.
11-13-2013 01:16 PM
11-13-2013 03:27 PM
@mr.elmwood wrote:My parcels to Australia. I drop them off in a bin to go to the sorting plant in town, down to Mississauga, then out of the country the next morning. How much does that cost?
My parcel to Whale Slap NL, dropped off, has to be scanned, goes to the in town plant, sorted to the next plant, transferred a couple times, driven across the country, put on a ferry, driven to another sorting plant, sorted, sent to another PO, sorted to the mail carrier, mail carrier delivers, takes about a week. How much does that cost?
This seems logical on the surface of things, and I understand that the cost just to get an item to the airport within Canada would be cheaper than across the country.
But surely Canada Post must have some sort of arrangement with the Australian postal service to cover the cost of the portion of the shipment from the Canadian airport to the Australian doorstep? In other words, who pays for that majority of distance the item travels? Or maybe CP subsidizes its overseas rates to encourage more shipments to those areas? I've never understood how inter-continental postal arrangements work.
So when an Australian purchases pays me $10 to get a small parcel from Nova Scotia to Sydney, but the cost is really only paying to get it from Annapolis Royal (where I am) to Halifax Airport (or Montreal, as sometimes seems to be the case), who is paying the rest of the cost?
Someone who knows the inner workings of CP might be able to answer these queries. It would be interesting information.
11-13-2013 04:48 PM
Canada Population 35 million 9,984,000 sq Ks
California population 38 million 424,000 sq Ks
Same rough population in 4% of the space. Hum? I wonder how much easier it is to move goods around in 1/25th of teh space.
Europe area 10,100,000 sq Ks
Europe population 739 million
Same area and 21 times the population. I wonder how much easier it is to move goods around with a densely packed population.
Economies of scale. OP wants California prices with 4% of the resources. OP wants European prices with 4.7% of the resources.
11-13-2013 05:01 PM
@mr.elmwood wrote:
Economies of scale. OP wants California prices with 4% of the resources. OP wants European prices with 4.7% of the resources.
Yes, exactly, I agree that more customers/shipments = lower prices.
But that still doesn't really answer the question of the mechanism behind Canada Post charging less for a small parcel to Australia than from Halifax to Vancouver.
Are they shifting the gains in the busier areas to cover the losses in the less economical ones? Or do foreign countries have some reciprocal agreement with Canada on shipping/postal rates -- I have a feeling this is the explanation, but I can't put my finger on where I've seen that information. Does anyone here know?
11-13-2013 10:04 PM
Ammo, read post #7. There will be a quiz.
And the answer is the Universal Postal Union!
Very basically, all the signators to the UPU agree to accept and process foreign mail as if it were their own.
So while it is true that Canada Post handles each piece of domestic mail more than it does a piece of mail addressed overseas, it is conversely true that Canada Post handles foreign mail that arrives on our shores.
Since there are always going to be differences in the number of pieces coming in and going out for every one of the 178 countries who are signators to the tready, there is some very very complicated bookkeeping going on at all times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_Postal_Union
And then there is China Post. Eventually the UPU will catch up with them.
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