A CHRISTIAN THREAD

[tom_no.1]

Welcome to a place where Christ should be exalted and "Self" should be abased!!

Welcome to a place where the BIBLE can be discussed rationally, intelligently, and positively without unnecessary argument!!

Welcome to a place where prayer can be requested and encouraged!!

Welcome to a place where positive and encouraging thoughts from scripture can be shared in a caring and loving way!!

Welcome to a place away from all the arguments, recriminations, and negativity of the outside world!!

Welcome to a place of rest and safety!!

Welcome to a place where Philippians 2:3 is practiced: "Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves."

Welcome to this Christian thread.



(Please leave all aggression, bitterness, and philosophy outside the door and please wipe your feet before coming inside!!)


  

I live in my own little world. But it's OK... They know me Here!

[midlife*mom]

Darn new keyboard! Grr! Sorry for the typos!

[midlife*mom]

Elaborating here....

One should not confuse obedience (to God's will for one's life and God's word) with submission. Another thread is having a mockery heyday with this confusion, poor souls.

[tough_old_bird]

;-):^O

[6767spirit]

Thanks, mlm. I really was just curious about the nature of the class. Good luck with it!

[survivornikki]

Thanks for clearing that up MLM--as you know, I don't have any grounding in this, and I confess when I saw your post I confused obedience with submission--and I was even more confused than that--I thought it was obedience to a husband and although my DH makes the major decisions in my home, I like to think it is because I choose to allow that.:-) As for obedience to God--any time I do what He asks I am a much happier person. Any problems I have ever had are when I am not right with Him.

Hugs to all honestly searching.

[o*pillar]

Thanks Julie. I understood what you meant (and there is a huge difference) but it is good you explained.

Mocking?? Nahhhhhh 😉

[squiddley_diddley]

I've heard from some more "progressive" Pastors that the way they interpret that verse from the Bible is that the man is meant to be the "spiritual" leader in the home, i.e., that he is to give the example of a good Christian life to his wife & children, encourage them to read regularly from the Bible, pray with them and for them every day, attend church with them, counsel them spiritually when they need it and so on. They say that God didn't intend for the man to be the absolute maker of all decisions in the home without any input from his wife. Our Creator did, in fact, give women intelligence too and I guess he meant for them to use it.

What do you think about that interpretation of the reading?

[survivornikki]

Lucy--I think you are asking MLM, but if you were asking me--DH does not follow any religion, so he wouldn't be counseling anyone. I do notice however, in any times of trouble he asks me to pray for him and knows who I pray to--he felt the peace, love and warmth given to me in the cancer ward. When he walked down those 103 flights of stairs on 9/11 he felt his Mother, who definitely was a Christian, was with him, and guided him down through the smoke and could feel her prayers. He is a very good man, and I know God loves him, so I will let the two of them work it out.

[survivornikki]

Oh and Yikes!! there is input on all decisions. As in most marriages, we have a "shorthand". When either of us are doing something that the other one would not necessarily have decided to do, we will say, "You do what you think is best, Ned." Anyone who saw True Grit will know the speaker means "I don't think that is wise and if you do that, let the chips fall where they may".

[squiddley_diddley]

Very wise words Nikki and I appreciate your input. I wasn't asking just MLM but anybody who happened to stop by to read my post. It's interesting for me to hear how different people put these things into practise in their everyday lives, as opposed to just what their church teaches, which sometimes isn't as clear to me as I'd like it to be.

[prior-of-verity*shake-hands-with-your-devil]

Since you went into the other thread (interesting that you’re checking up on us)....I'll come into this thread.

You said the quote was taken out of context?

It is NOT taken out of context! Read the words *****....


"Let your husband know that you will submit to his authority in leading the home freely and willingly. Give him the power he wants and deserves (on the authority of God's Word) as the leader of your home."


>>YOU WILL SUBMIT TO HIS AUTHORITY<< >>Freely and Willingly<<


The discussion regarding force, is secondary. The quote refers to the fact that a wife should submit to her husband's AUTHORITY ….without force. The above quote from the Christian site states plainly that the husband is to be the leader of the home. A leader is one person. It says nothing about the woman. Why does a woman have to submit to his final authority? A home, a family, should be a ‘shared’ leadership....not one person, based on the words of some book. And don't tell me this lesson of a husband's dominance over the wife is not taught. I've met Christian women who submit to their husband's authority in the home and they live their lives that way....poor souls. Reminds me of someone whose wife didn’t want another child….but he TOLD her they were going to have one. He is the authority and leader!


Now I rarely come into this thread and I prefer it that way, but when you come into another one and make a comment that is incorrect….I’ll come to your door and correct it.

[tough_old_bird]

Welcome prior....

Anyone is welcome to post on this thread.

If we all thought alike it would be a very boring world.

Hope everyone has a blessed Thursday. (It is Thursday isn't it? I have worked so much overtime lately that my days are getting muddled 😉 )

[tough_old_bird]

P.S.......

MLM, I am in Barkyville from Aug 31st- Sept 14th. I am not available to get together Sept 2nd, 4th, 8th and 9th but other than that I'll just go with the flow. You tell me where, when and what time and I'll get there (somehow). I can hear Barky and his 'yes dear' already 😉

[survivornikki]

Oh I envy you two, MLM & TOB--bet there will be lots and lots of laughs!

[midlife*mom]

Now I rarely come into this thread and I prefer it that way, but when you come into another one and make a comment that is incorrect….I’ll come to your door and correct it.

I wasn't imcorrect. You posted in the Pagan thread a paragraph from a website out of context, without giving creedence to the link/author of the paragraph you misinterpreted. That's plagiarism at best, at worst, it is misleading.

[midlife*mom]

Hi Lucie! :-x Good to "read" you again here! 🙂 Yes, I would have to agree with the "progressive" pastors' interpretation.

Nikki...lol. I think we are on the same page re: husbands. 😉

[midlife*mom]

TOB...thank you for posting your itinerary for your Ontario visit! Of course you KNOW that Barky would be welcome to join us!! I will ask around and see when the other gals would be available and post it here. 🙂

[prescilaschina]

Regarding submission and biblical teachings relating to the "head" of the household etcetera, Jesus Christ is supposed to be the true head of the home.

In order to interpret biblical teachings correctly in this regard, an understanding of family roles and relationships in the first century world is absolutely essential.

For those who care to read on the subject, here is an excellent article on domestic relationships in the Christian home:

http://www.christianethicstoday.com/Issue/009/Is%20the%20Head%20of%20the%20House%20at%20Home%20(Ephesians%205_21-6_9)%20By%20Joe%20E.%20Trull_009_3_.htm

Sarah in the old testament called her husband Abraham, "Lord", but nowhere in the new testament are women told to do this. Men are commanded to love their wives, and women are commanded to respect their husbands. Men are to take the lead, as squiddley said, in certain areas, just as the model of a good wife is illustrated in Proverbs 31: 10-31, "A good wife who can find? She is far more precious than jewels. The heart of her husband trusts in her, and he will have no lack of gain. She does him good, and not harm, all the days of her life... Her husband is known in the gates, when he sits among the elders of the land... Her children rise up and call her blessed; her husband also, and he praises her... Charm is deceitful, and beauty is vain, but a woman who fears the LORD is to be praised."

She does him good and not harm, and he sits proud at the gates of the city. He praises her, and he loves her, and is proud of her, and she respects him and does not speak evil of him. This is a good marriage.

[prescilaschina]

http://www.christianethicstoday.com/Issue/009/Is%20the%20Head%20of%20the%20House%20at%20Home%20(Ephesians%205_21-6_9)%20By%20Joe%20E.%20Trull_009_3_.htm

[prescilaschina]

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