07-02-2013 10:24 AM
I have a few Winsch postcards and they all have initials on the front of the postcard that looks like H.P.S. Does anyone know what these initials are for?
07-02-2013 12:25 PM
Can you post a photo or two?
07-02-2013 01:49 PM
07-02-2013 02:03 PM
You could host the picture on an external site such as
And then post a link for us to click on.
07-02-2013 02:28 PM
07-02-2013 02:29 PM
07-02-2013 03:24 PM
The Initials H.P.C. most likely are a Post Card Publishers initials
In This case I believe it's Harry P Cann and Bros Baltimore Maryland
John O Winsch owner and publisher of Winsch Post Cards produced and printed the majority of his cards in Germany and his cards produced there identified Winsch as the Co. producing them but at times some were produced in the U.S.A. using other Post Card Publishers to do the work
A firm in Philadelphia was often subcontracted to do this for Winsch other firms would be used from time to time
Winsch would be identified prominently on the card since it was his design etc but if other firms were subcontracted their company name or initials would appear on the card
weavers
07-02-2013 03:34 PM
Thank you for this information. I thought they were all Winsch cards because of the mark on the back, but there was no Winsch name anywhere. All that I could see was the HPC initials and could not find any information on that at all. You sound like you are very knowledgeable in postcards. Again, thank you for your help.
Judy
07-02-2013 03:40 PM
07-02-2013 03:50 PM
this also could be a Publisher in the U.S. but I am not familiar with those initials
Now with that (above) said H.P.S. could also be the artists initials
hows this for being confusing?
Identifying initials etc on post cards is not an exact science
There were literally thousands of post card publishers and thousands of artists producing and creating art work for post cards
There are 2 reasons why signatures would or would not appear on cards
When an artisit produced a card their signature would usually only appear on a card if they were well known and recognized
If signatures appeared the company producing them had to pay a premium for their art work and often a certain percentage was paid to the artist depending on how many cards were produced
If not as well known artists were paid an agreed upon price and no extra fees were paid (They would not be ided on the card)
Initials could appear also if the artist did not want to be identified directly. Some also refused to have their names on the card
Many artists of the time (even well known ones found that they could not make a living at the time creating artwork etc) Those who were doing well usually allowed their names to appear
Post Card art work allowed for needed income and was considered Starvation Work by many
Some artists did not want their names out there cause it was usually associated with their income level and they did not want others knowing their financial situation
weavers
07-02-2013 03:57 PM
07-02-2013 04:04 PM
This is the fun and challenges of collecting and dealing with post cards
Often it takes alot of research to get close to a proper understanding of them
I have been collecting cards for 33 years and dealing in them for 30 years
It's the research that keeps them interesting
please keep me informed as to what you find out
I'll see if I can find out anything else
weavers
07-02-2013 06:53 PM
07-02-2013 08:50 PM
there was a very well known artist named Samuel L Schmucker (1879-1921) who did post card images for Winsch
His cards are considered some of the best of the Golden Age Of Post Cards
He studied drawing and still life at the Pennsylvania Academy of Fine Arts and then transferred to the Howard Pyle Institute at Drexel at the turn of the 20th century
It is possible the initials could be H.P. (Howard Pyle (Institute) ) for art he produced there and his last name S. ( Schmucker) on the card
again not sure but may be worth looking into
weavers
07-02-2013 08:57 PM
07-02-2013 09:35 PM
Hi
I actually had a thread about Post Cards (History Types etc) on the Canadian Boards for about 8 or 9 years This thread was actually pinned by ebay so it would be avaliable for those interested and many contributed to it. I also had a thread about Vintage Toys but when ebay improved the boards in 2011 they cancelled the Collectable Board and deleted it along with other informational threads others created about other collectibles
A shame alot of info on a number of collectibles besides the Post Card and Toy Threads disappeared
but such is improvement
I have often thought about doing one again
It will take awhile but I will start one again
weavers
07-02-2013 09:57 PM
Thank you, Weavers.
Most of my postcards are European and appear to be from the 1970s. Some have stamps and writing, most are blank and unstamped. I have a leather (engraved?) one, and one with a flamenco-style dancer with real cloth used for her clothing. I have some black and white ones of English buildings. I would love to get rid of them, but have no clue what to list them for.
Any information would be very welcome.
07-02-2013 11:23 PM
I dabbled in vintage postcards for a while and I found that the cards that brought the most money were cards with real black and white photos of villages, towns or cities. If the village had disappeared, so much the better. The more interesting the photo the more money it brought.......for instance a building that has been long gone, or a photo of someone riding a vintage bicycle etc. The subject matter had a lot to do with it. I once had a postcard with a photographer on the front wearing a top hat and his old wooden camera on a tripod. I got 490.00 for that one. Other postcards of course bring good money if they have been sent by someone prominent (eg: Mark Twain, or JFK, or a well known movie star etc etc etc). Weavers might like to add to what I have said.
07-03-2013 12:00 AM
Thank you very much, Prior. That's an excellent place for me to start.
07-03-2013 01:48 AM
A brief history of Post Cards
Deltiology: The Study Of Post Cards
Deltiologist: One who studies Post Cards
The first commercial use of post cards was begun in 1869. The Post Office in Austria produced a Postal Card The card had the Logo Austria Postal Card on the front and a printed stamp near the top right corner. The other side was blank. The message could be written on the back and the address on the front
If one could obtain one of the original cards they would have a very valuable item There are only a handful known to exist today
Up until 10 yrs ago these cards were considered the first Post Card Around that time a handmade card was found that dated from 1849. While not marked as a Postal Card it is know considered to be the first actual Postal Card
After the Austian P.O. produced their cards other European Countries began producing the same type of cards and became a popular way to correspond with others. In North America the U.S. started using these cards in1870 and Canada produced their first one in 1871 or 2
As time progressed Commercial outlets saw these as being away to communicate with their cliental and began using them. At first they were blank besides the Govt Post Office Marking and stamp but in the late 1870's early 1880's pictures or drawings began to appear on the side of the card advertising their wares In the mid 1880's a Summer Resort in Europe produced a card showing a handdrawn representation of their Hotel. This was the first known Picture Postal Card
In the late 1880's Germany started producing cards views or drawings on them and these are known as Graus Aus Cards These were popular til the late 1890's
In 1898 by an act of congress the U.S. Post Office produced cards with scenes on them The scene was on the front and the address could be put on the back. By Law only the address could be written on the back If one wrote a message it had to be on the front of the card. If cards were sent any other way the card could be sent back or destroyed
At first the Term Postal Card was used but by 1899 the Term Post Card appeared
The Post Offices allowed production of cards to commercial companies and picture cards became more common
The practice of writing on the front the address on the back continued til 1904
At that point Companies that produced cards and the general public petitioned the Post Offices of the different countries to allow a message to be written on the back of the card as welll as the address
by the middle of 1904 a line started appearing on the middle of the back of the card seperationg the message from the address. By 1908 the line was down the length of the card A practice still used today
RPPC's or real picture post cards began in 1898. At first one could take a photo they had taken and have thenm produced post card size. Taking them to be developed they could purchase a Post Card backing attach it to the photo and send it for 1 cent
RPPC's have remained consistent in production over the years
These cards allowed one to send pics of themselves to others record personal events etc and added to the written word Something a letter could not do
Cards could also sent cheaper than letter rate so often 2 or 3 Post Cards or RPPC's would be sent then maybe once a month or so a full letter would be mailed
1900 to approx 1912 was considered the Golden Age of Post Cards The workmanship and quality of the cards were outstanding and cards gained popularity by leaps and bounds
Upper Middle Class Women were the first to appreciate the uniqueness of these little pieces of paper and began saving and trading these with their friends. Soon Their Husbands Sons daughters other friends etc saw what was going on and The Post Card collecting Craze began in earnest
Post Card collecting in the Golden Age was huge
Post Cards became one of the largest collectibles ever during that time
Commercial Companies began expanding their production of them as print cards and started contracting Photographers to take photos that could be used on cards.
Post Card Clubs were formed Magazines and journals appeared Special albums were produced and special pencils pens stamps etc were produced to write on cards. Post Card Stores appeared providing equipment needed & selling cards Post Card Machines also appeared that could be placed any where Stocked with cards one could deposit a penny and receive a card from a vast array in stock
By 1913 peoples attention around the world was diverted by the tensions mounting in Europe and collecting cards lessened
By the beginning of WW1 the collecting of cards was for the most part forgotten with other grave and pressing matters in their thoughts
Cards were still produced and most cards that were produced during the war were Patriotic or depicting scenes of the conflicts occuring in Nature
Cards that could be sent by the various countries troops were also produced but not alot of thought or imagination went into these Often these cards had messages with multiple writings on them that could pass the censoring of correspondence by the countries war depts
After the War cards once again were produced but by that time the collecting fad had faded and Post Cards were seen as mostly just a means of correspondence
Scenes still appeared on the cards comic cards etc were prevalent but the spark of collecting was gone
Manufacturers also cut back on how they produced cards To save money cheaper materials were used to produce the The colors and inks used were dulller
Most of these cards had a white border around them. These were used until the mid 1920's
In the mid 20's a card known as A Linen Post Card was produced and these ran til the early 1970's
A process developed allowed a cheaper grade of paper to be used to produce cards. This process produced cardbord that had cross hatching on them When one felt the card it felt like linen
In 1939 an American Oil Company produced a series of 52 cards depicting scenes across the U.S that were glossy. These were known as chrome cards These are todays modern cards and are still referred to that now
In 1969 The 100th Anniversay of The Commercial Post Card People once again got bitten by the allure of collecting Post Cards
While not as popular there were a core group of collectors over the years that collected cards Some clubs existed and people purchased and traded cards
For the 100th Annversary Clubs produced reproductions of cards to commemorate the100 years and also to see if they could stimulate interest in these little pieces of paper again
To their amazement people looked at the repros but shunned them in favor of older cards and the collecting of Old Post Cards in earnest began again
Today we have a new form of Post Card that is generated and sent by electronic means The Computer Generated Post Card
There are alot of reasons why one collects Post Cards and how some become more popular and valuable but to understand why one needs a background hence why I have started this way
I will be back but it's getting late
so write if you can but if not
send me an old post card
I love them
weavers