help identify initials on antique winsch postcard

jawc2
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I have a few Winsch postcards and they all have initials on the front of the postcard that looks like H.P.S.  Does anyone know what these initials are for?

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Can you post a photo or two?

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I tried to post a picture and evidentally, I don't know how to do this on here. Do I post the actual picture or an url or do I have to make the picture smaller?
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You could host the picture on an external site such as

 

http://www.iforce.co.nz/

 

And then post a link for us to click on.






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It is just the first 3. It looks like gave you the link to all of my pictures, so just ignore them.
Thanks,
Judy
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The Initials H.P.C. most likely are a  Post Card  Publishers initials

 

In This case I believe it's Harry P Cann and Bros Baltimore Maryland

 

John O Winsch  owner and publisher of Winsch Post Cards produced and printed the majority of his cards in Germany and  his cards produced there identified Winsch as the Co. producing them  but at times some were produced in the U.S.A. using other  Post Card Publishers to do the work

 

A firm in Philadelphia was often subcontracted to do this for Winsch  other firms would be used from time to time

 

Winsch would be identified prominently on the card since it was his design etc but if other firms were subcontracted  their company name or initials would appear on the card 

 

 

weavers

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Thank you for this information.  I thought they were all Winsch cards because of the mark on the back, but there was no Winsch name anywhere.   All that I could see was the HPC initials and could not find any information on that at all.  You sound like you are very knowledgeable in postcards.  Again, thank you for your help.

Judy

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I just have one more question. After I replied to your post, I looked at the postcard again and it is H P S, not H P C.
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this also could be a Publisher in the U.S. but I am not familiar with those initials

 

Now with that (above) said H.P.S. could also be the artists initials

 

hows this for being confusing?Smiley Tongue

 

Identifying initials etc on post cards is not an exact science

 

There were literally thousands  of post card publishers and thousands of artists producing and creating art work for post cards

 

There are 2 reasons why signatures would or would not appear on cards

 

When an artisit produced a card their signature would usually only appear on a card if they were  well known and recognized

 

If signatures appeared the company producing them had to pay a premium for their art work and often a certain percentage was paid to the artist depending on how many cards were produced

 

If not as well known artists were paid an agreed upon price and no extra fees were paid (They would not be ided on the card)

 

Initials could appear also if the artist did not want to be identified directly. Some also  refused to have their names on the card

 

 

Many artists of the time (even well known ones found that they could not make a living at the time creating artwork etc)  Those who were doing well usually allowed their names to appear

 

Post Card art work allowed for needed income  and was considered Starvation Work by many

 

Some artists did not want their names out there cause it was usually associated with their income level and they did not want others knowing their financial situation

 

weavers

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Thank you again for this information.
I had posted this on my ebay and was getting no response, except for someone suggested that I go to ebay Canada.
But, now I just received a post from someone on my ebay and their answer was that it POSSIBLY could be for Howard Pyle School, which is where Samuel Schmucker studied art.
So, this just adds to my research.
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This is the fun and challenges of collecting and dealing with post cards

 

Often it takes alot of research  to get close to a proper understanding of them

 

I have been collecting cards for 33 years and dealing in them for 30 years

 

It's the research that keeps them interesting

 

please keep me informed as to what you find out

 

I'll see if I can find out anything else

 

weavers 

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I did a quick search and there is a SCHMUCKER who did art work for Winsch Publishing on their postcards. HP might be his first initials. If that helps at all.





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there was a very well known  artist named Samuel L Schmucker (1879-1921)  who did post card images for Winsch

 

His cards are considered some of the best of the Golden Age Of Post Cards

 

 

He studied drawing and still life at the Pennsylvania  Academy of Fine Arts and then transferred  to the Howard Pyle Institute at Drexel at the turn of the 20th century

 

It is possible the initials could be  H.P.  (Howard Pyle (Institute) )  for art he produced there  and his last name S. ( Schmucker) on the card

 

again not sure but may be worth looking into

 

weavers

 

 

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Excuse me butting in, but Weavers, could you start a thread on postcards and selling them on ebay? I have loads, but don't know which ones are more likely to sell. MTIA 🙂
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Hi

 

I actually had a thread about Post Cards (History Types etc)  on the Canadian Boards for about 8 or 9 years  This thread was actually pinned by ebay so it would be avaliable for those interested  and many contributed to it.  I also had a thread about Vintage Toys  but when ebay improved the boards in 2011 they cancelled the Collectable Board  and deleted it along with other informational threads others created about other collectibles

 

A shame alot of info on a number of collectibles besides the Post Card and Toy Threads  disappeared

 

but such is improvementSmiley Tongue

 

I have often thought about doing one again

 

It will take awhile but I will start one again

 

weavers

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Thank you, Weavers.  

 

Most of my postcards are European and appear to be from the 1970s.  Some have stamps and writing, most are blank and unstamped.  I have a leather (engraved?) one, and one with a flamenco-style dancer with real cloth used for her clothing.  I have some black and white ones of English buildings.  I would love to get rid of them, but have no clue what to list them for.  

 

Any information would be very welcome.  

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I dabbled in vintage postcards for a while and I found that the cards that brought the most money were cards with real black and white photos of villages, towns or cities. If the village had disappeared, so much the better. The more interesting the photo the more money it brought.......for instance a building that has been long gone, or a photo of someone riding a vintage bicycle etc. The subject matter had a lot to do with it. I once had a postcard with a photographer on the front wearing a top hat and his old wooden camera on a tripod. I got 490.00 for that one. Other postcards of course bring good money if they have been sent by someone prominent (eg: Mark Twain, or JFK, or a well known movie star etc etc etc). Weavers might like to add to what I have said.





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Thank you very much, Prior.  That's an excellent place for me to start.  

 

 

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A brief history of Post Cards

 

Deltiology: The Study Of Post Cards

 

Deltiologist: One who studies Post Cards

 

The first  commercial use of  post cards was begun  in 1869. The Post Office in Austria produced a Postal Card  The card had the Logo Austria Postal Card  on the front and a  printed stamp near the top  right corner. The other side was blank. The message could be written on the back and the address on the front

 

If one could obtain one of the original cards they would have a very valuable item  There are only a handful known to exist today

 

 

Up until 10 yrs ago these cards were considered the first Post Card  Around that time  a handmade card was found that dated from 1849. While not marked as a Postal Card  it is know considered to be the first actual  Postal Card

 

After the Austian P.O.  produced their cards other European Countries began producing the same type of cards and became a popular way to correspond with others. In North America  the U.S. started using these cards in1870 and Canada produced their first one in 1871 or 2

 

As time progressed Commercial outlets saw these as being away to communicate with their cliental  and began using them.  At first they were blank besides the Govt Post Office Marking and stamp but in the late 1870's early 1880's pictures or drawings began to appear on the side of the card advertising their wares   In the mid 1880's a Summer Resort  in Europe produced a card showing a handdrawn representation of their Hotel. This was the first known Picture Postal Card

 

In the late 1880's Germany started producing cards views or drawings on them and these are known as Graus Aus Cards  These were popular til the late 1890's

 

In 1898 by an act of congress the U.S. Post Office produced cards with scenes on them  The scene was on the front and the address could be put on the back. By Law only the address could be written on the back If one wrote a message it had to be on the front of the card. If cards were sent any other way the card could be sent back or destroyed

 

At first the Term Postal Card  was used but by 1899 the Term Post Card appeared 

 

The Post Offices allowed production of cards to commercial companies and  picture cards became more common

 

The practice of writing on the front the address on the back continued til 1904

 

At that point Companies that produced cards and the general public petitioned the Post Offices of the different countries to allow a message to be written on the back of the card as welll as the address

 

by the middle of 1904 a line started appearing on the middle of the back of the card  seperationg the message from the address. By 1908  the line was down the length of the card A practice still used today

 

RPPC's  or real picture post cards began in 1898.  At first one could take a photo they had taken and have thenm produced post card size. Taking them to be developed they could purchase a Post Card backing attach it to the photo and send it for 1 cent

 

RPPC's have remained consistent in production over the years

 

These cards allowed one to send pics of themselves to others record personal events etc  and added to the written word Something a letter could not do

 

 

 

Cards could also sent  cheaper than letter rate so often 2  or 3 Post Cards or RPPC's would be sent then maybe once a month or so a full letter would be mailed

 

1900 to approx 1912 was considered the Golden Age of Post Cards  The workmanship and quality of the cards were outstanding  and cards gained popularity by leaps and bounds

 

Upper Middle Class Women  were the first to appreciate the uniqueness of these little pieces of paper and began saving and trading these with their friends. Soon Their Husbands Sons daughters other friends etc saw what was going on and The Post Card collecting Craze began in earnest

 

Post Card collecting in the Golden Age was huge

 

Post Cards became one of the largest collectibles ever during that time 

 

Commercial Companies began expanding their production of them as print cards  and started contracting Photographers to take photos that could be  used on cards.

 

Post Card Clubs were formed Magazines and journals appeared  Special albums were produced and special pencils pens stamps etc were produced to write on cards. Post Card  Stores appeared providing equipment needed & selling cards Post Card Machines also appeared that could be placed any where Stocked with cards one could deposit a penny and receive a card from a vast array in stock

 

By 1913 peoples attention  around the world was diverted by the tensions mounting in Europe and collecting cards lessened

 

By the beginning of WW1 the collecting of cards was  for the most part forgotten with other grave and pressing matters in their thoughts

 

Cards were still produced and most cards that were produced during the war  were Patriotic or depicting scenes of the conflicts occuring  in Nature

 

Cards that could be sent by the various countries troops were also produced but not alot of thought or imagination went into these Often these cards had messages with multiple writings on them that could pass the  censoring of correspondence by the countries war depts

 

After the War cards once again were produced but by that time the collecting fad had faded and Post Cards were seen as mostly just a means of correspondence

 

Scenes still appeared on the cards comic cards etc were prevalent but the spark of collecting  was gone

 

Manufacturers also cut back on how they produced cards  To save money cheaper materials were used to produce the  The colors and inks used were dulller

 

Most of these cards had a white border around them. These were used until the mid 1920's

 

In the mid 20's a card known as A Linen Post Card was produced  and these ran til the early 1970's

 

A process developed allowed a cheaper grade of paper to be used to produce cards. This process produced cardbord that had cross hatching on them When one felt the card it felt like linen

 

In 1939 an American Oil Company produced a series of 52 cards depicting scenes across the U.S that were glossy. These were known as chrome cards  These are todays modern cards and are still referred to that now

 

In 1969 The 100th Anniversay of The Commercial Post Card People once again  got bitten by the allure of collecting Post Cards

 

While not as popular there were a core group of collectors over the years that collected cards Some clubs existed and people purchased and traded cards

 

For the 100th Annversary Clubs produced reproductions of cards to commemorate the100 years and also to see if they could stimulate interest in these little pieces of paper again

 

To their amazement people looked at the repros but shunned them in favor of older cards  and the  collecting of Old Post Cards in earnest began again 

 

 

Today we have a new form of Post Card that is generated and sent by electronic means  The Computer Generated  Post Card

 

 

There are alot of reasons why one collects Post Cards and how some become more popular and valuable   but to understand why one needs a background hence why I have started this way

 

I will be back but it's getting late

 

 

 

so write if you can but if not

 

send me an old post card

 

I love them

 

weavers

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