Confused about tariffs and de minimis at this point

Hey folks,

I sell Canadian made items, and most of my buyers are in the USA. At this point I’m unclear if and how much tariff they might get hit with if they buy from me.

If I understood the de minimis news, it was eliminated for Chinese goods - does that mean made in Canada items still have an 800 de minimis?

If not, how much tariff would be payable by the buyer? And if I do a sale higher than $800 USD, how much tariff kicks in at that point?

Sorry - I know I should be able to google this but I’m failing at it and I know y’all are smarter so I thought I’d ask here 🙂
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It looks like the "de minimus" / duty free allowance has been completely eliminated for US residents.

So any item imported to the USA will have duty charged, with the duty depending on the type of item.

In addition, the Trump Tax (tariff) depends on the country of manufacture.

 

So if you sell a bag of Roger's Maple Sugar*, a Canadian product, for $10USD + shipping, the US buyer will pay

0% duty but a 10% tariff (federal sales tax).
So the buyer would pay $11.00 USD for the bag of sugar.

https://vermontmaple.org/update-on-maple-and-tariffs-04-17-25

 

Gee. I picked maple sugar because it was such a Canadian product and used to be scarce. Finding the rates was difficult, but I guessed the Vermont sugarmakers would be a good resource.



*$5.99Cdn at my locak SaveOn Foods.

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Over $800 "normal" tarrif rates will apply.  Which could be 25% under Trump's current whim for Canadian made stuff (unless exempted under free trade rules)...

 

Under $800, as long as it is not from China (and assuming you have declared everything properly) it should have no tarrif.  

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LOL... Yep, this is also my read as of 6pm Pacific on May 3. Could change in 5 minutes. 

 

   It's not a seller's responsibility to predict or make false claims about border costs. 

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  Good question. Here's current guidance from eBay Canada

 

Informing international buyers about import charges

When you sell to buyers outside of Canada, import charges (including taxes and customs fees) may apply for the country you're sending the item to. These charges are determined by the country you're sending the item to, and are usually based on the item's price, postage weight, dimensions and country of origin.

Some countries and jurisdictions require eBay to collect import tax from the buyer when they pay for their order. Consignments where eBay does not collect taxes may require buyers to pay additional import fees (e.g. VAT and duties) as part of clearing their parcel through customs, or when they receive their order.

Buyers are responsible for paying import charges. If you offer international shipping, you can't include these costs in the item's purchase and shipping price. Make sure to let international buyers know this in your listings."

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Yeah I’m just unclear what the guidelines and amounts are. The thing that’s tripping me up is the de minimis exec order this week specifically talks about goods of Chinese origin.
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I too am a Canadian seller. Many if my items are second hand or vintage primarily jewelry but do sell other items as well. Some jewelry is marked but much of it is not. It would all have been purchased in Canada but have no idea where made. I had a Canada post employee tell me one time that if it is being shipped from Canada that is the country you should put on the form. I have used Canada if it was not marked where made.

What should we be doing where we simply do not know?  Wish it was new items only, sure would make life easier.

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I also sell vintage items and when there is no box, some items you just don't know. Canada Post labels automatically have Canada defaulted as origin, I've always just left it that way (but I have not sent anything out since May 2nd). It's impossible that customs could open and inspect items looking for a country marking, there is nowhere near enough man power. Like you I wish it was new items only.

Sigh, missing the good old days (wasn't that long ago!)

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"Sigh, missing the good old days (wasn't that long ago!)"

 

As in the wild west times of eBay in the late 90s, early 2000's

 

No Taxes

A Free for all Seller and Buyers

$4.00 shipping to the USA

No Customs

Paypal...

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@minijunkie 

@katlover1952 

 

  Most Shipping Companies are emphasizing two relevant changes. 

 

1.  @katlover1952  Filling in the accurate Country Of Origin is mandatory.  The "Point of Origin" or location of  the shipping centre isn't acceptable regardless of the advice of the Canada Post employee who misinformed you. Most items used to make it thru customs if you put "Unknown" for the COO provided you had an accurate descriptionbut I wouldn't do that right now. 

   In the 80's I sent a rental drumset from Vancouver to Seatle. I got a call from the US Border Patrol. They detained the band set to play in Seatle.  They wanted to know the COO of the muffliing blanket I had put in the bass drum (just a wool blanket).  They were probably just looking for a reason to search them. 

     One thing you could do is group all your items that have no COO into a category for "Domestic Sales Only" where a COO isn't required. If you use business policies this is very easy to do. You will just lose the US market for those items.  

 

2. Accurately Identifying the contents of the package. 

To avoid theft in transit most of us put generic descriptions on the items.    Today I checked with SHIPPO USA for updates. This is what they have to say about Descriptions.

Warning:

When declaring items, it is critical that you are not vague in describing your item.


If the Custom Agency cannot determine what is in your package, they reserve the right to hold it for clarification, return the package, and/or discard the package.

 

Examples of vagueness include descriptions such as: "gift," "bottle," "box", and "supplies."

 

To ensure your package successfully makes its way through customs, please be descriptive as possible and do not leave your description open to interpretation.

 

I still wouldn't put "Jimi Hendrix Autograph" or "Taylor Swift's Tambourine" on the customs form.  Sellers may want to revisit their own policies.  Maybe put "Entertainment Autograph" or " Tambourine" instead as not to ask for it to go missing. Something that is an accurate description but not an attention getter. I would definately go to the trouble to find the full HS code if it is beyond the typical 6 digits. 

 

@minijunkie 


@minijunkie wrote:
Yeah I’m just unclear what the guidelines and amounts are. The thing that’s tripping me up is the de minimis exec order this week specifically talks about goods of Chinese origin.

Your not the only one who is confused... LOL
I think the De Minimis will be in negotiation for awhile. Goods under $800 going into the USA from Canada have been exempt and the change on specific countries is what you mention. 

 

There is also the de minimis for goods coming FROM the USA into Canada which is CAD $150 for customs duties and CAD $40 for taxes.  When Trump says things are unfair he's not totally wrong. Canada has yet to say if we are changing our incoming de minimis. 

 

It's out of my control. It's out of eBay's control. All eBay is saying so far is  "you can't include these costs in the item's purchase and shipping price. Make sure to let international buyers know this in your listings." 

 

 It's between US Customs and  the buyer.  

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Thanks! Yeah I’m mostly worried about my customers getting hit with big unexpected charges. Thanks for your reply though, great info!
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FWIW

Not only are the tariffs the Buyer's responsibility, but if the shipment is Refused, eBay does not require the Seller to refund anything at all.

 

I mean, most would, but eBay does not require it.

And most would only refund the purchase price, not the taxes we never see, nor the shipping which went to the carrier.

 

A bit of boilerplate eBay supplied to sellers many years ago.

Import duties, taxes and charges are not included in the item price or shipping charges. These charges are the buyer's responsibility. Please check with your country's customs office to determine what these additional costs will be prior to bidding/buying

 

https://www.ebay.com/help/policies/ebay-money-back-guarantee-policy/ebay-money-back-guarantee-policy...

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I felt that way in February too but its been explained over and over in the American news for 3 months. The only genuinely surprised buyers would be those living under a rock. That said there will always be a few complaints. As long as the documents are accurate, there's tracking and also eBays recommended customs statement in the listing eBay should remove any negative feedback. As well @reallynicestamps makes a very good point about refused shipments. Of course we want our buyers to be really happy but this IS a trade war between counties. I expect collateral damage at some point.

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I am currently investigating where my signed jewelry is made (if no country on marking) & revising listings accordingly as well as removing shipping to US in made in China items. The unmarked ones will have to deal with as soon as possible too. 
If the Posties  go on strike will have more time to deal with this. Hope this tariff **bleep** settles down soon. Selling on eBay is challenging enough without all this extra **bleep**. Thanks for your input.

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Unfortunately, to my knowledge, the COO requirements for unidentified products hasnt been addressed by the various platforms. There is a provision to provide customs with a letter of proof from the maker if you can get that. Im not sure if the manufacture needs to be registered somehow. I would expect so. Someone else may have some input. I would think Etsy might have sellers in this situation. I have jewelry to sell that is store bought gold with gemstones and no makers mark. Its not a priority so my choice is wait until the details are hashed out. Im sure many Canadian sellers rely on the category. Ebay needs to step up to the plate on these gray areas else sellers will drift to platforms or 3rd party jewelry brokers that take out the guesswork.
Factoring in postal problems and competing with US courier prices and now tarrifs I fully agree with you when you say eBay selling is challenging. "Challenging" is an understatement.
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