10-05-2013 07:26 PM
Item # 160740149514
Mentions item never arrived in a message two days ago.
No choice but to refund him.
Check this guys Feedback Left for Others. Seems a lot of items shipped by sellers have never made it to him.
Should have checked his feedback previously.
What can you do.
Not a report kind of person but this buyer definitely will be reported.
10-05-2013 07:38 PM
Only went back to June, 43 Feedback left, 9 Negatives issued.
That is just over one in five.
Buyer has been reported.
Some mothers children.
10-05-2013 07:41 PM
I checked this item but it doesn't show the id username.
10-06-2013 10:38 AM
Have a little more time to check this sellers feedback this morning.
Only checked the last five negs he left & lo & behold, they are the only negs these sellers have received this year.
I guess i could safely assume this a pattern on the buyers part.
Block this one gang.
10-06-2013 01:03 PM
Ebay is tracking disputes and if buyer has too many, they loose the Buyer Protection privilege.
Professional Ebay scammers usually don't leave trail of negs, and don't open disputes without trying to bully you into refund first, so always ask the buyer to open the dispute "to document delivery problem", there is absolutely no penalty against you if you refund after dispute is open. Also there is no penalty if dispute expires after 30 days by itself, some of my buyers open dispute then inform me it arrived but don't care about the open dispute anymore, so I just leave it be and it closes peacefully.
Professional Ebay scammer will back-off if you ask them to open the dispute.
On another hand I have refunded people who said they did not receive after 2 months days, because I knew they were not working the system., their buyer protection has expired.
10-06-2013 01:27 PM
@dipmicro wrote:Ebay is tracking disputes and if buyer has too many, they loose the Buyer Protection privilege.
Professional Ebay scammer will back-off if you ask them to open the dispute.
I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but I'm wondering why you're saying these things.
What do you know that I (we?) don't know?
For example: How many are too many?
10-06-2013 01:53 PM
@dipmicro wrote:Professional Ebay scammers usually don't leave trail of negs, and don't open disputes without trying to bully you into refund first, so always ask the buyer to open the dispute "to document delivery problem", there is absolutely no penalty against you if you refund after dispute is open.
On another hand I have refunded people who said they did not receive after 2 months days, because I knew they were not working the system., their buyer protection has expired.
In inviting a buyer to open a dispute rather than refunding first, wouldn't a seller run the risk of eBay making the refund directly to the buyer before the seller did so, with consequences to the seller's account?
If you refund after 2 months, it's true that the buyer protection has expired, but so have your remedies under eBay's policies - basically you're entirely on your own if it does turn out to be a scam. I'm not sure I would do this, especially with a pricier item. My feeling is that if a buyer is truly dissatisfied with a product, or there's a serious problem with it, he's going to say so pretty quickly after the sale. I know that as a buyer I certainly would.
I suppose there are categories where risk of fraudulent purchases is higher, but I'm not sure it's so pervasive that bypassing the available eBay policy remedies is the answer for most sellers.
10-06-2013 02:43 PM - edited 10-06-2013 02:44 PM
In inviting a buyer to open a dispute rather than refunding first, wouldn't a seller run the risk of eBay making the refund directly to the buyer before the seller did so, with consequences to the seller's account?
Never happened, even after buyer escalates dispute to a claim, there is plenty time to refund.
If you refund after 2 months, it's true that the buyer protection has expired, but so have your remedies under eBay's policies - basically you're entirely on your own if it does turn out to be a scam.
Ebay mandatory remedies are minimal requirement for every seller selling on Ebay. You can increase customer goodwill by going above and beyond.
I'm not sure I would do this, especially with a pricier item. My feeling is that if a buyer is truly dissatisfied with a product, or there's a serious problem with it, he's going to say so pretty quickly after the sale. I know that as a buyer I certainly would.
I was referring to Item Not Received - the topic of this thread. If buyer is dissatisfied with a product, offer no questions asked return policy.
I suppose there are categories where risk of fraudulent purchases is higher, but I'm not sure it's so pervasive that bypassing the available eBay policy remedies is the answer for most sellers.
What kind of "bypassing" you had in mind ? You cannot really "bypass" Ebay remedies, because you agreed to let Ebay mediate disputes, so even if you disagree with particular Ebay decision, you signed carte-blanche agreement that you always accept their decision.
10-06-2013 05:52 PM - edited 10-06-2013 05:52 PM
@i*m-still-here wrote:
@dipmicro wrote:Ebay is tracking disputes and if buyer has too many, they loose the Buyer Protection privilege.
Professional Ebay scammer will back-off if you ask them to open the dispute.
I'm not saying you're right or wrong, but I'm wondering why you're saying these things.
What do you know that I (we?) don't know?
For example: How many are too many?
dipmicro.......... I'm still wondering about this.
Why did you post that eBay will take away a buyer's protection rights if he or she files too many cases?
How much is too much?
10-07-2013 11:28 AM
dipmicro wrote:
Ebay mandatory remedies are minimal requirement for every seller selling on Ebay. You can increase customer goodwill by going above and beyond.
I agree that going above and beyond for buyers is good business. I was referring to protections and remedies for sellers against fraud, scams, etc. during the usual transaction and follow-up period. I don't see how being past the 2 month mark is really an assurance that you're dealing with an honest refund request. In fact, at that point there is no way to ever know. You are on your own, and must take the buyer's word at face value.
My point was that I think most buyers who have a problem with a transaction -- either they don't receive an item within the expected timeframe, or are truly disappointed, will contact a seller fairly promptly.
I would actually be rather cautious about someone requesting a refund after 60 days -- they would have to have a very plausible explanation, and it would have to be an item of only moderate value. What would a seller do with such a request on, say, a $300 item? Refund after 60 days - why? You might never see the item returned to you, and the buyer wouldn't have to worry about any consequences to his buying record (not that I think eBay is especially diligent in weeding out scammers, but that's another story). On an item of that value, after the 60-day point, I would suggest to the buyer they should simply re-sell it on eBay.
A clever fraudster will know that if he/she can prevail upon the seller to refund after 60 days, that refund will be made entirely "outside the system" so to speak - no recourse for either party. We obviously have opposite views of what a refund request after 60 days would signify. I see it as a risk that would require careful assessment in the particular circumstances.
What kind of "bypassing" you had in mind ? You cannot really "bypass" Ebay remedies, because you agreed to let Ebay mediate disputes, so even if you disagree with particular Ebay decision, you signed carte-blanche agreement that you always accept their decision.
What I meant by "bypassing" was bypassing time limits, i.e. taking steps in a transaction beyond 60 days. EBay certainly isn't perfect in applying its policies, nor are they even consistently effective, but having some policy is better than being in a place where no policy applies at all (for either party to a transaction).
10-07-2013 11:33 AM
@bb_cool_stuff wrote:Only went back to June, 43 Feedback left, 9 Negatives issued.
That is just over one in five. Buyer has been reported.
From the sounds of it, reporting this one was the best thing to do. I hope this gets sorted out in your favour - nasty buyer who needs to learn some eBay "manners".
10-07-2013 12:33 PM
No choice but to refund him Rose.
I had no other choice.
One of his Negs mentions no tracking number for a ten dollar item.
Was probably refunded on that item also.
Two negs mention they wouldn't ship to Canada when the seller clearly states shipping to US only.
This buyer is trouble & he has been reported.
Wonder how many times this buyer has been refunded without filing a claim.
This buyer definitely knows how to work the system.
10-07-2013 02:45 PM - edited 10-07-2013 02:46 PM
@i*m-still-here wrote:dipmicro.......... I'm still wondering about this.
Why did you post that eBay will take away a buyer's protection rights if he or she files too many cases?
How much is too much?
So you opened some cases and now you worried ? It's really just Ebay protection you loose, you still get to guy here.
I don't know the details, it must vary from buyer to buyer. I seen several people complaining about their Buyer Protection revoked for opening too many cases. See couple top ones:
https://www.google.ca/search?q=buyer+protection+too+many+cases
Ebay never disclosed an actual number, I would expect it to be pretty high, if I would have to make wild guess, I would say 10-20%
What is the number of returns to Walmart before they ban people from the store? I don't think there is published number.
10-07-2013 07:26 PM
@dipmicro wrote:
So you opened some cases and now you worried ? ...........................
What is the number of returns to Walmart before they ban people from the store? I don't think there is published number.
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Well, no .............. I'm not worried. I do open cases now and then but a small percentage.
Your post just sounded like you had some information I'd never heard about before so I was wondering what that was.
I doubt that Walmart ever bans anyone for returns.
Somehow I think that would be more trouble than taking the returns and they wouldn't want the publicity.
10-07-2013 07:52 PM
@bb_cool_stuff wrote:No choice but to refund him Rose.
I had no other choice.
This buyer is trouble & he has been reported.
Wonder how many times this buyer has been refunded without filing a claim.
This buyer definitely knows how to work the system.
'bb' - What's the value of the item? Have you already refunded him? I was thinking it might be worth it to phone eBay (or maybe contact one of the "Pinks") and see if anyone can take some action against this buyer before you refund.
You are right -- this sounds like someone who understands the system well, but you can hope that maybe this latest trick will be enough to get him removed from the site now that you've reported him.
Just disgusting what some people will do. So sorry to hear this happened to you.
10-08-2013 02:25 AM
No big deal Rose, 9.88 including shipping.
Small change & i have already refunded him.
Checked the feedback & was pretty surpriised at what i saw.
He may know how to work the system, but you can only go to the eBay well so often.
10-09-2013 02:59 PM
You're absolutely right, 'bb' - stick to the high road, and these sorts of buyers will run themselves off the cliff behind you.
Small consolation I suppose, but at least it wasn't a big sale.
10-11-2013 11:07 PM
Just out of curiosity i just checked his Feedback Left again Rose.
Left four negs on October 9th.
Once again the only negs the sellers have received this year.
Hope eBay is following up on my report.