
12-06-2015 10:12 PM
Late shipping defects may come back to bite you.
I looked at the feedback of a seller from whom I had recently made a purchase. I was completely satisfied with everything about the transaction. However one buyer left the seller negative feedback because it hadn't arrived yet and was "estimated" to arrive the day before. He even used the word "estimate" but I guess he didn't understand its meaning.
A second buyer left neutral feedback because the seller missed the "estimated" delivery date (yes, he also used the word estimate) by 5 days. He also said that the seller had "buried" in his listing that there was a 5 day handling charge. This was a reasonable handling time because it was a custom made product. The seller states, in his listing, in big bold red letters, that handling time is 5 days. Now he could have made a change after receiving the feedback but I had no trouble seeing the 5 day handling time when I made my purchase.
Yet a third buyer left neutral feedback saying that the seller didn't ship until he opened a case with eBay. I don't have any actual knowledge of that transaction but have to wonder if it was for the same reason as the above. Or he may not have bothered to read the listing to see the handling time.
12-11-2015 10:04 AM - edited 12-11-2015 10:09 AM
I guess it's all about defects, isn't it?
As a seller, have you ever had a case which was escalated and then found in the buyer's favour?
That is, if a case is filed for INADed or not received (which was shipped without tracking) there is no point in allowing the case to be escalated with the current system and that will still be the case with the new system. Both systems yield a defect because it's almost a sure thing that the case will be found in the buyer's favour.
In fact, I have the sense that they've just turned this process over to the bot which can then be appealed with a phone call.
Also, as stated above: What good reason is there not to send shipping costs prior to the return?
If the buyer opts not to return the item then it would just count as a partial refund in a way, and I know I'd always prefer to go the route.
I'm not really quite sure what you're trying to say.
12-11-2015 02:45 PM
For example, if I were an American buyer purchasing a $300 item from a Canadian seller and have an INAD complaint, who should pay for returning the item? Am I going to trust that seller to reimburse me for the ca. $40 it might cost to return the item with tracking? If I'm the Canadian seller, would I send the money in advance, in order to avoid further problems, without any real assurance the item will be returned? So who is responsible in eBay's eyes for the impasse -- buyer or seller?
I'm not sure eBay would always find in the seller's favour in such scenarios should the buyer escalate the matter.
Unless the seller is planning on fighting the case because they believe that the item is not really nad, there is really is no question that the seller would lose if they refused to send a return label or funds for a label. But you seem to be suggesting that sellers would rather refund the full amount instead of just sending the buyer enough to return the item and I don't understand why someone would do that. Of course there is no guarantee that the buyer would use the money to return the item but there is even a smaller chance that they would return if if they were refunded in full.
The same principle applies to INR complaints -- come February 20th, a seller will just be safer to refund.
Nothing is changing in regard to that. You know that if you don't have tracking and a buyer claims inr, you have to refund or you will receive an unresolved claim against you. You wouldn't wait for them to escalate today so nothing will change in that regard in February. If tracking does show that an item as been delivered then you would not lose the case...nothing has changed.
03-11-2016 04:43 AM
I've received three "Late shipping defects" all from buyers that left feedback saying "fast shipping!" so either the system doesn't work the way it should, or the way it's laid out is confusing the buyers. Either way I have a happy buyer AND a defect counting against me.
They basically made things better by changing the main defects which are easily addressable, and added one completely out of the sellers control to make it worse(unless of course you in fact do ship slowly)
03-11-2016 12:56 PM
The new shipping defect has actually made me lazy about getting some items in the mail.
Before with the 1 day handling, I would always try to ship same day / next day. Now I switched to economy shipping within Canada (1 to 15 days) and a 3 day handling time so I have three days to mail the item. I look at the address and if it is in Canada and close to me and going Lettermail (no acceptance scan), I still get the package ready but I do not plan my day around getting the package to the post office or red box (closest one is 15 minute walk one way). I wait for when it is convenient for me to plan my day with other things to do.
Ironically, the new shipping defect based on getting the item in the mail as quickly as possible has backfired by eBay for me. Now I can sit back on some items and put in the mail at my convenience.
I could have done this delay before for Lettermail within Canada and a close location but having the 1 day handling time motivated me to get the item mailed. Now with the 3 day handling time, I can be lazy sometimes.
03-12-2016 08:39 AM - edited 03-12-2016 08:39 AM
Have others noticed that when you send the buyer an invoice that the way shipping is billed has changed?
We now get a list of shipping options to choose from. If you list on .com there is often (or always?) no match.
I'm thinking that this has something to do with "The Question".
03-12-2016 07:54 PM
@sylviebee wrote:Have others noticed that when you send the buyer an invoice that the way shipping is billed has changed?
We now get a list of shipping options to choose from. If you list on .com there is often (or always?) no match.
I'm thinking that this has something to do with "The Question".
It's always behaved on .ca in that manner, at least for me.
03-12-2016 08:02 PM - edited 03-12-2016 08:03 PM
@hlmacdon wrote:
@sylviebee wrote:Have others noticed that when you send the buyer an invoice that the way shipping is billed has changed?
We now get a list of shipping options to choose from. If you list on .com there is often (or always?) no match.
I'm thinking that this has something to do with "The Question".
It's always behaved on .ca in that manner, at least for me.
No. This is something new and different and just started a few days ago.
it sounds like you haven't noticed it yet. You will.
03-12-2016 08:07 PM
@sylviebee wrote:
@hlmacdon wrote:
@sylviebee wrote:Have others noticed that when you send the buyer an invoice that the way shipping is billed has changed?
We now get a list of shipping options to choose from. If you list on .com there is often (or always?) no match.
I'm thinking that this has something to do with "The Question".
It's always behaved on .ca in that manner, at least for me.
No. This is something new and different and just started a few days ago.
it sounds like you haven't noticed it yet. You will.
Unless you are referring to something else, I've always been able change/choose from multiple shipping methods when sending an invoice to a buyer. Do you have a screen shot of what you are referring to?
03-12-2016 10:36 PM
I just sent an invoice for combined items (a Canadian buyer in this case). There was a small difference that I noticed.
Here is the difference I saw for multiple items where the listings offered Expedited Package or Local Pick-up
In the past
The invoice that comes up shows both Expedited with the combined non-discounted amount AND on the next line the Local Pick-up option.
Today
It showed only Local Pick-up
BUT
I was able to select any shipping option I wanted and fill in the amount.
Because pick-up was not appropriate I didn't notice if I would still be able to offer multiple shipping methods/charges but I think (not sure) the option to add an alternate shipping method was still there.
Bottom line, it's a bit different but doesn't actually change anything.
03-13-2016 08:04 AM - edited 03-13-2016 08:05 AM
@recped wrote:
Bottom line, it's a bit different but doesn't actually change anything.
I agree: It doesn't actually change anything as far as the amount on the invoice is concerned.
When I send an invoice the portion I see for shipping seems to be a little different for each invoice.
As someone who lists on .com but ships CPO none of the options really apply to me but I have to choose one.
The amount is already pegged in from the listing, but I'm getting a list of about 25 shipping methods to choose from.
I'm thinking that each method comes with a different estimated time of delivery and so it would be possible to manipulate that number if one were so inclined. However, as mentioned above the ETDs are for items shipped from the States.
I have a screen shot but so far I haven't been able to post it here.
03-13-2016 08:10 AM
03-13-2016 08:11 AM - edited 03-13-2016 08:13 AM
Well, so now I could post it but I realize it's not legible.
(It might be possible to alter the amount as well, but I haven't tried to do that.)
03-13-2016 01:48 PM
I tried re-sizing your screen shot. Here's hoping it works.
03-13-2016 01:49 PM
It did...larger than I expected...lol.
05-06-2016 06:13 PM
Im a Canadian seller and strive to do same day or next business day shipping. With over 500 transactions, I can honestly say I have never been late to ship an item within 1 business day. So its very frustrating to see that all (100%) of my late shipment/deliveries are coming from US customers.
Ebay, if by chance a moderator or someone with influence is reading this, please extend the estimated arrival time for letter mail from Canada to the U.S. My items are low cost and tracking is not an option.
Thanks (for what its worth)
Region | Transaction date and time | Payment date | Carrier indicates late delivery | Buyer indicates late delivery | Transaction counted? | Stated handling time | Handle by date | Tracking upload date | Max EDD |
United States | 7-Feb-2016 1:43:18 o'clock PM GMT-07:00 | 7-Feb-2016 1:46:38 o'clock PM GMT-07:00 | 1 | YES | 1 | 2016-02-09 3:59 | N/A | 2016-02-23 0:59 | |
United States | 1-Mar-2016 4:26:22 o'clock PM GMT-07:00 | 1-Mar-2016 5:07:42 o'clock PM GMT-07:00 | 1 | YES | 1 | 2016-03-03 3:59 | N/A | 2016-03-15 23:59 | |
United States | 3-Apr-2016 5:51:31 o'clock PM GMT-07:00 | 3-Apr-2016 5:51:31 o'clock PM GMT-07:00 | 1 | YES | 1 | 2016-04-05 2:59 | N/A | 2016-04-15 23:59 | |
United States | 13-Apr-2016 12:14:31 o'clock PM GMT-07:00 | 13-Apr-2016 12:14:31 o'clock PM GMT-07:00 | 1 | YES | 1 | 2016-04-15 2:59 | N/A | 2016-04-27 23:59 |
05-07-2016 11:09 AM - edited 05-07-2016 11:12 AM
@archangel514 wrote:Im a Canadian seller and strive to do same day or next business day shipping. With over 500 transactions, I can honestly say I have never been late to ship an item within 1 business day. So its very frustrating to see that all (100%) of my late shipment/deliveries are coming from US customers.
Ebay, if by chance a moderator or someone with influence is reading this, please extend the estimated arrival time for letter mail from Canada to the U.S. My items are low cost and tracking is not an option.
Thanks (for what its worth)
Region Transaction date and time Payment date Carrier indicates late delivery Buyer indicates late delivery Transaction counted? Stated handling time Handle by date Tracking upload date Max EDD United States 7-Feb-2016 1:43:18 o'clock PM GMT-07:00 7-Feb-2016 1:46:38 o'clock PM GMT-07:00 1 YES 1 2016-02-09 3:59 N/A 2016-02-23 0:59 United States 1-Mar-2016 4:26:22 o'clock PM GMT-07:00 1-Mar-2016 5:07:42 o'clock PM GMT-07:00 1 YES 1 2016-03-03 3:59 N/A 2016-03-15 23:59 United States 3-Apr-2016 5:51:31 o'clock PM GMT-07:00 3-Apr-2016 5:51:31 o'clock PM GMT-07:00 1 YES 1 2016-04-05 2:59 N/A 2016-04-15 23:59 United States 13-Apr-2016 12:14:31 o'clock PM GMT-07:00 13-Apr-2016 12:14:31 o'clock PM GMT-07:00 1 YES 1 2016-04-15 2:59 N/A 2016-04-27 23:59
eBay can not change the delivery estimates for Letter-mail and Letter-Post USA and Letter-post International because they must use the official estimated delivery times as given by Canada Post.
eBay recommends changing your handling time to get more days. Currently you use a 1 day handling time so you could change it to 3 days which should not affect sales(?).
Another option is to use the eBay generic shipping option Standard Int'l Shipping which would add one day over the Letter-post USA.
02-21-2017 09:23 PM - edited 02-21-2017 09:24 PM
One of my buyers from the US that gave me 2 defects for late shipping emailed me because I blocked him and told me it was not my fault, it was delayed at Customs. H gave me 5 stars across the board but I still eaned 2 defects because of Customs and the buyer not understanding the repercussions of the question.
Ebay is just wonderful how they like to punish us and then say to use a different shipping method.
I am starting to figure out why so many people refuse to ship internationally but we have little choice. And with the hullabaloo in the US, I think customs will get even worse so more defects as a result.
02-21-2017 10:48 PM
That post was from last March. I have only received one defect for on time delivery and that was a package sent to Australia.
Sales have almost dried up from the U.S. but everything that I have sent there recently seems to have arrived quickly.
Now that I have my listings on .com I have to wonder how eBay can possibly calculate an "estimated delivery time" when I use Economy shipping from outside the U.S. for sales to that country and Economy International to everywhere else. They can't go by CP's estimated delivery times because they do not know which carrier I use.
For the first time, the other day, I had a buyer ask me why it takes 3 weeks to get to the U.S. I told him that the estimated delivery time stated was posted by eBay, not me, and that it usually takes no more than 2 weeks. So if it arrives in less than the 3 weeks stated by eBay he should be very happy. Strange times.