05-08-2025 12:51 PM
Oven:
Made in the U.S.A.
Heating component (Powerhead):
Made in China
This is not a substatial transformation, right?
I am selling one like this...
https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/bs8AAOSw28Fkw42h/s-l1600.webp
https://www.cafr.ebay.ca/itm/176210877080
Note the label on the box... says Made in USA. The attached screenshot shows the label. I guess I still have to make sure the box doesn't contain other separate Made in China parts like User Guide printed in China etc.
I read the write-up on Chitchats on the links they provide to US imports marking. Here is the part that talked about the transformation:
This doesn't look like it applies. So I guess I have to separate the value of the powerhead from the rest of the oven? Impossible to do, this is 1990 model. Nobody will tell me. The company doesn't exist anymore, it's part of Nesco today.
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2. Substantial Transformation
If a product undergoes a major transformation in a second country—changing so significantly that it becomes a new item with a different name, character, or use—then the COO may shift to that country.
Substantial Transformation Examples:
Example 1 with a free trade agreement
Tariff shift - A change in tariff classification under the Harmonized System: A product’s classification changes to HS Headings 2203 through 2209, from any other heading except from another heading within that group.
A change to subheadings 3402.11 through 3402.19 from any other subheading within heading 3402, provided there is a regional value content of not less than: (soap products)
(1) 35 percent when the build-up method is used, or
(2) 45 percent when the build-down method is used.
Example 2 with a free trade agreement
The good is a new or different article of commerce that has been grown, produced or manufactured in the territory of an FTA country or of the United States, or both, and the sum of: (A) the value of each material produced in the territory of FTA country or of the United States, or both, and (B) the direct costs of processing operations performed in the FTA country or of the United States, or both, is not less than 35 percent of the appraised value of the good at the time the good is entered into the territory of the United States;
Note: The term “new or different article of commerce” means, except as provided in this subdivision, a good that: (1) has been substantially transformed from a good or material that is not wholly the growth, product or manufacture of Oman, the United States, or both; and (2) has a new name, character or use distinct from the good or material from which it was transformed, but a good shall not be considered a new or different article of commerce by virtue of having merely undergone (I) simple combining or packaging operations, or (II) mere dilution with water or another substance that does not materially alter the characteristics of the good.
3. Significant Increase in Value
A substantial increase in a product’s value may also impact its COO. If the retail value of the finished product is significantly higher than its original value due to manufacturing, processing, or assembly, this could indicate a change in COO. However, the exact percentage required for this determination varies.
We strongly recommend consulting CBP regulations, trade agreements, and tariff shift rules. When in doubt, contacting CBP directly will help clarify the appropriate COO designation for your shipments.
05-08-2025 01:51 PM
It says made in the USA, then its made in the USA for Customs requirements, tariffs also.
05-08-2025 04:07 PM
@brettjet38 wrote:It says made in the USA, then its made in the USA for Customs requirements, tariffs also.
The agents at the land-border crossings disagree. DYK reported that an entire truckload was refused because a package was opened and the contents said "Made in USA, Sleeves made in China" (a sealed trading card product).
Better to err on the safe side I would say and just avoid listing anything that says China on it if you want to use a cross-border shipper.
05-08-2025 04:22 PM
@dinomitesales wrote:
@brettjet38 wrote:It says made in the USA, then its made in the USA for Customs requirements, tariffs also.
The agents at the land-border crossings disagree. DYK reported that an entire truckload was refused because a package was opened and the contents said "Made in USA, Sleeves made in China" (a sealed trading card product).
Better to err on the safe side I would say and just avoid listing anything that says China on it if you want to use a cross-border shipper.
Also as I read it, you can't separate the China part from the rest of the shipment. If one item is made in China, then the tariff applies to the whole shipment.
C.
05-08-2025 05:40 PM
If this is a one off item, don't list it for sale in USA. It's not worth the liability of sending it.
If this is an item you sell a large quantity of and base your business model on, consider spending the money to consult with a professional who will know the proper answer.
05-08-2025 08:21 PM
So, it looks like they are serious about Chinese anything coming into the USA...
05-09-2025 03:32 PM - edited 05-09-2025 03:34 PM
I have another item which is a specialized phone for the visually impaired people and it is Made in the USA. Everything is made in USA but the power supply is Made in China. I used acid to erase the Made in China on the charger itself.
I was told when I called Canada Post today, they said I need to put a label on top of the box saying "This is a Set".
The word Set is apparently the key what needs to be mentioned, I was told.
In this case the box says Made in USA and there is nothing on it saying Made in China.
There is no power supply on the market it would be made in USA for the last 30 years at minimum.
So are you supposed to strip all products of parts and look inside if it says Made in China?
05-09-2025 04:09 PM - edited 05-09-2025 04:14 PM
@itolduandso wrote:I have another item which is a specialized phone for the visually impaired people and it is Made in the USA. Everything is made in USA but the power supply is Made in China. I used acid to erase the Made in China on the charger itself.
I was told when I called Canada Post today, they said I need to put a label on top of the box saying "This is a Set".
The word Set is apparently the key what needs to be mentioned, I was told.
In this case the box says Made in USA and there is nothing on it saying Made in China.
There is no power supply on the market it would be made in USA for the last 30 years at minimum.
So are you supposed to strip all products of parts and look inside if it says Made in China?
On a whim (did this as routine working in warehousing for anything being exported) have purchased a small package of Made in Canada and made in USA stickers. They arrive. Made in China. Figure if I purchase made in China they will be printed in Canada. Okay...not likely. Just thought I would share.
Yes, you can print your own, but at least this way customs knows I am making an effort to meet their requirements having an "official" label.
That set information would be extremely important for anyone selling electronics where there are multiple components including a power supply. 9 x out of 10 are made in China and the balance of the item is made somewhere else.
Canadian rules regarding country of origin and mixed content.
https://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/import/origin-origine-eng.html
Sidenote: Fortunately each label is not marked made in China or any Canadian made shipment would turn into a 99% Canada....1 % China shipment. = Chinese shipment. 😅How is that for a really bad exchange rate?
05-09-2025 04:47 PM - edited 05-09-2025 04:47 PM
Would you attach that sticker to every single piece that is loose inside the box? I have seen people at Stallion Express doing it. Taking stuff out one by one and placing a paper sticker on every lose item even if it's part of the whole solulution they are selling. I bet when buyers see paper stickers everywhere they will not be happy since the cheap stickers leave residue if they are removed or they are just torn apart when removing them. The removeable stickres cost money.
05-09-2025 05:07 PM
@itolduandso wrote:Would you attach that sticker to every single piece that is loose inside the box? I have seen people at Stallion Express doing it. Taking stuff out one by one and placing a paper sticker on every lose item even if it's part of the whole solulution they are selling. I bet when buyers see paper stickers everywhere they will not be happy since the cheap stickers leave residue if they are removed or they are just torn apart when removing them. The removeable stickres cost money.
When we were sending Automotive parts to USA (NOS & Aftermarket) we just placed labels on outside of each box using (printer generated) country of origin stickers. All that was required at the time and had no issues.Skids could be mixed but boxes had to be individually sorted and marked. If they are using more strigent guidelines...ie rules I'm not sure. We were a high volume shipper with parts from multiple countries. There "used" to be a % of content rule, easier to be known if you are a manufacturerer. Not so easy for re-sellers. Unsure why the strictness when using Chit Chats. Optimistically hoping as I have noted in other posts on the subject they are using judgement. They have to understand that resellers can't know all the rules ins and outs. Even they have to resort to checking or asking someone else to confirm.
As a side if you were a manufacturer (which I have also worked for) there would be components for mutiple countries composing the item. On outside of unit we marked and declared as Made in Canada. Single sticker. A Coo Certificate was on file for each product we made with customs and was noted on our customs invoice and included with packing slip attached to each wb when shipping internationally.
05-09-2025 05:23 PM
Not sure how to handle small digital cameras that were made in Japan but I bought an aftermarket charger that is made in China of course.
05-09-2025 07:53 PM
I bet that camera if it's consumer grade and made recently may have a charger that was made in China anyways. Only higher end products made in Japan still have power supplies made in Japan but others hardly do.