11-12-2018 05:57 PM
Hi everyone,
I am looking to sell some air soft pistols on ebay and am confused as to the proper method of shipping these items. I am located in Canada and have listed them for sale on ebay.com to the US residents.
Am i allowed to ship these across the border?
What shipping service do you use? Chitchats? Regular UPS and charge import fees to the buyer?
Thank you
11-12-2018 06:34 PM
According to the info that I found you can't list air pistols on .ca at all. You can list some of them on .com if you are located in the US and follow certain regulations. You were probably only allowed to list them because you listed their location as being in the US although according to your post, they are in Canada, not the US. I were you, I would take them down before they get reported.
https://www.ebay.ca/pages/help/policies/firearms-weapons-knives.html
11-12-2018 06:35 PM
Note that I nothing about air pistols so I'm assuming that 'soft' air pistols are the same or are covered under the same regulations.
11-12-2018 06:35 PM
11-12-2018 06:36 PM
11-12-2018 07:33 PM
The two guns you have listed are "BB" guns.....Even though a firearms license is not required to own them... They look like replicas of more powerful guns.
These two guns have a muzzle velocity less than 500 fps..... no firearms license required. Even at this they can be quite deadly if used in an unacceptable manner. Their look has to be a major consideration.
Canada can be quite strict with firearms....look to see what you can sell in Canada... The appearance of these guns may be an important factor....to consider
Shipping to the US has to be an important consideration... specifically with respect to Canada's rules.... Things may be getting more critical in the US...based on what has happened recently.
The most important thing with these guns is their appearance..... They look like guns that are definitely more dangerous and require a firearms license to own in Canada.
To minimize any problems, the suggestion would be to sell both locally with a local pickup....
Shipping might be problem, whether within Canada, or to the US.... Canada Post may have unique rules.....
11-12-2018 07:47 PM
The one thing that was noticed with the sale of such guns on eBay is that the word "toy" was included in the title of the listings.
They may be classified as toys. However, their appearance makes them look like more powerful firearms. Police will classify a firearm on the basis of what it looks like
Their appearance has to be an important factor to consider.
The most important reality is that .... if pointed in the wrong direction and shot.. they can be dangerous... very dangerous.
Your question here, and the possibility that you have never sold firearms before, can put you in a difficult situation. Be careful no matter what you do
11-12-2018 07:48 PM
11-12-2018 08:08 PM
This is your reference starting point for exporting from Canada:
https://www.canadapost.ca/tools/pg/manual/pgIntDest-e.asp?letter=R%C2%A0
11-12-2018 08:32 PM
@qualitykoalas wrote:
Thank you for the detailed reply. I took down the listings and will relist them on ebay.ca to keep them within Canada. I would rather not risk my account. Its very upsetting as they sell great on ebay and i see so many others selling these..
Did you look at the link that I gave earlier that mentions they cannot be listed on ebay.ca?
Not allowed
Airsoft guns
Not allowed
Air rifles and air pistols
BB guns. Note: Listings or products for replica guns can't use the words "BB gun" in the title or description
Pellet guns
Pop guns
11-12-2018 10:18 PM - edited 11-12-2018 10:29 PM
The final conclusion.....
Do not sell on eBay..... Now I can see whey they should not be sold on eBay Canada.... and also why they are described as a "toy" when listed on eBay.
The fact that they look like more dangerous firearms ... a replica ... can also be a reason for not being sold on eBay.
How many times have we heard of someone being caught/shot by the police because the firearm someone was carrying was perceived to be a very dangerous weapon
11-12-2018 10:40 PM
That listed Smith and Wesson should also be removed....
Strictly on the basis of the title of the listing, this handgun can be viewed as a dangerous firearm
11-13-2018 03:08 AM
@cumos55 wrote:The final conclusion.....
Do not sell on eBay..... Now I can see whey they should not be sold on eBay Canada.... and also why they are described as a "toy" when listed on eBay.
The fact that they look like more dangerous firearms ... a replica ... can also be a reason for not being sold on eBay.
Not really. A replica would be a different classification of product if you follow the RCMP's guidelines. Ebay US allows the sales of the items on .com but in Canada the law is of a somewhat convoluted nature. Specifically, the criteria the RCMP has set forth to classify airsoft, bb, and pellet guns and their "legal" status as it relates to the firearms act and criminal code. Their criteria is an interpretation of existing law and that is where it gets confusing as it is an interpretation rather than law itself. Added to that the CBSA is making determinations which the RCMP then presents as law, when it isn't law. It is particularly problematic as this gets into technical measurements of the products and concerns products which look visually identical and resemble actual firearms but are treated very different legally speaking, from the RCMP's point of view at least.
The criminal code definition of a firearm speaks less about the appearance of the item (other than it has a barrel and shoots thing forth), but rather describes a barreled weapon which is capable of causing serious bodily injury or death. To determine what can cause a serious bodily injury, there are standards established by the RCMP for both FPS and kinetic energy meant to represent the point at which a projectile is likely to puncture a human eye.
Depending on the FPS, pellet/bb guns either get classified as firearms (over 500 FPS or 5.7J) or as exempt firearms. Firearms require a PAL to purchase and would be sold via your traditional retailers selling firearms. Exempt firearms are not treated as firearms unless used in certain criminal offences, which covers the perceived as a dangerous weapon aspect.
Airsoft guns have a different FPS standard. Any airsoft weapon that fires below 366FPS is deemed not capable of causing serious bodily injury and gets treated as a prohibited outright as a replica. If they shoot between 366-500 FPS and below 5.7J the airsoft item is treated as an exempt firearm because it can cause bodily injury, but not too much. Exempt firearms are the typical bb/pellet guns you see for sale at your department/chain stores. For the airsoft-like products sold at those same retailers, there are also exceptions for items that are out of scale, use clear plastics, etc that distinguish themselves as toy products rather than a replica of near precision.
The TLDR version is that the RCMP has made non-legally binding interpretations of a technical nature that allow a range of products to be classified as firearms or exempt firearms. For a marketplace to know whether a given item constitutes a firearm or exempt firearm would requires specialist knowledge of the subject matter, particularly because there are internal upgrades or downgrades which would allow two otherwise identically appearing items to be classified differently. The mere fact the RCMP refers to them as exempt "firearms" is problematic given the connotations the public associates with calling a product a firearm. Given that situation It is easier for a marketplace in Canada to simply ban the entire category of products rather than trying to determine what is what. As with many other cases there are products that are legal to sell in Canada that eBay prohibits. If you have an exempt firearm you can sell it as you please, just not where you please.
11-13-2018 05:35 AM
eBay chooses not to allow the sale of Air Soft guns in Canada. This is a reflection of the law as it relates to firearms in Canada.
Regulations for the sale and ownership of firearms is very much more strict in Canada than the US.
The best option for the sale of firearms in Canada, is not to do so on eBay...
The ownership of Air Soft gun that looks like a firearm with a muzzle velocity markedly over 500 fps, can put the owner of such a gun into a dangerous situation if ever confronted by the police.
One may not need a PAL to purchase an Air Soft gun.... but... a gun that looks like a dangerous firearm should have the same definition as the firearm
It is my personal view that if it looks like a gun, shoots like a gun, it is dangerous, and should be treated the same as any firearm requiring a PAL.... specifically storage and use restrictions.