Should We Be Preparing for a Canada Post Strike?

Is anyone closely following strike negotiations?

I'll likely have Time Away scheduled to avoid any Strike mayhem, but wondering what will happen to any lettermail/ packages that are already in the "stream". Will they sit at a depot/DC or on a truck for the duration, or will they likely have a rotating strike and keep moving things along with just delays?
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My chiristmas wish this year, "Please, privatize Canada Post, pretty please". 

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I decided to shut down.

 

I'll resume when Canada Post resumes.

 

I have four packages going out today and one for tomorrow. I'll send them out regardless.

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I'm just keeping it simple for now. All my lettermail stuff was set to Expedite Lite yesterday, switched it over to UPS today and restricted PO Boxes. Nobody is going to buy a $10 item and pay $13-$30 for shipping, but it takes 30 seconds to change a shipping policy vs removing and re-adding my lettermail items.

 

I may keep Canada Post Tracked Packet for the US side and simply fulfill with Chit Chats, since the cost and turn around is the same. The major issue is that eBay does not have a way for me to include a flat rate for the US and a calculated rate for Canada. I also don't believe there is a way to block Canadian shipping. Flat Rates do not work with UPS or Fedex since some areas have obscene surcharges. 

 

Using a flat rate with Stallion is a possibility in Canada, but it ultimately turns out to be a headache because the type of market my lettermail orders appeal to are more likely to live in rural areas that are only served by Canada Post. I can technically cancel due to problem with address, but the amount of time spent on customer service doesn't justify leaving things open for a few lettermail orders when I can instead focus that time on other things I sell. 

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For anybody who is looking to just send lettermail sized orders to the USA using Chit Chats or Stallion, it looks like you can now have both Calculated (for Canada) and Flat (for USA).

 

It seems like a good strategy for those that want to "block" Canadian shipping until this is resolved would be to use Fedex or UPS calculated rates in Canada, which nobody will pay for - and a flat rate for Chit Chats to the USA. For lettermail sized orders, it's pretty easy to predict what Chit Chats will cost.

 

Unless I have missed something, and there is a way to add Canada to your exclusions list for a shipping policy. 

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@fergua3 wrote:

This strike notice means no more incoming international parcels or mail.....they will all be turned away at their origin post offices until the labour dispute is resolved.  So whether they actually strike or not, no more international mail.


International mail is still moving, since there is no actual strike at this point.  International mail will stop when Canada Post tells other postal systems that they are no longer accepting mail.

 

USPS, for example, is still sending mail to Canada.

 

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@ilikehockeyjerseys 

 

It's just too bad Chit Chats/Stallion are not viable options. As a side for letter mail anywhere community mail boxes are the norm for the many who use for dropping off their onesie twosies type items. Unfortunately if there are no pick ups for several days they can fill up fast. I have seen times when they were jam packed when I went to drop off my item. You don't know until you try. My nearest red mail box is 20 mins away in front of an SD. There were 2 others relatively close by when I moved to this area 2 years ago. They suddenly magically disappeared. So when possible if things do get on again off again, for safety you might be better off dropping off at your local depot vs community mailbox.

 

-Lotz

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i see........but one has to figure a stoppage of incoming International mail could happen at any moment.  CP usually pulls the trigger on that right at the beginning of any strike action.

 

I'm not sure what the Union thinks it will gain by striking.  Since CP is losing money and the lion's share of their expenses are from wages, the Union going on strike will actually mean CP saves money, not loses it.  They will of course still lose money, but less money since they will no longer have to pay wages during a strike or the innevitable lockout shortly there after.

 

All the Union is doing is making life difficult for thousands of small businesses and screwing with the Christmases of millions of Canadians by striking.    They will come out with the usual 'we are trying to minimize the inconvenience to the public' statements.  If they really wanted to do that, they could have held off with strike action until January.   They've waited this long, what's another six seeks?   But instead they are doing it right when the Christmas season is about to get into full swing.  Seems to me they are using the Canadian public and businesses as pawns..

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@fergua3 

If it's not the holiday season being a factor, they (the union) just may not want to be out picketing in Jan/Feb when it can be a bit chilly out. That's the other thing that "could" bump up the timeline on what does or doesn't happen. 

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that's a pretty weak tea reason to screw around with their fellow Canadians' Christmases.   If the elements are the issue, what was wrong with striking in October?  But this is twice in a row the Union has had a strike at Christmas time.  Clearly deliberate.

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Stallion is viable, but because there is no integration directly with eBay, you open yourself up to having to cancel orders in areas that UniUni or FleetOptics don't ship to. 

 

I tried it for a week or two, and while it was fine for the places it shipped to, I continually received orders that ended up going Expedited Lite because they were in areas not serviced by Stallion's cheaper services. 

 

For the volume of lettermail orders I do, it's not worth the time needed on customer service for each cancellation. If Canada Post is gone for months, maybe I would consider it. My time is finite in terms of what I can list or focus on with eBay so I will just focus on parcel orders. 

 

 

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I just went in to switch sales & shipping off to Canada in my business policies and its not possible (I could have sworn it was possible).  The only North American 'countries' we can toggle are the US, Bermuda, St Pierre & Miquelon and Greenland.  We cannot shut off sales or shipping to Canada, so for those of us who thought there might have been an option apart from continuing to play this rousing game of chicken and shutting down to avoid a potential pile up of INRs, there is none. 

 

I did shut down for ten days a couple weeks ago and really enjoyed the lack of hassle and never ending problems ecommerce seems to have become.  It was a lovely ten days of out of sight, out of mind. 

 

Trudeau is in a real pickle, his parties policy is to not intervene in labour disputes and here he has three giant whoppers right on his hands, the Montreal port shutdown, the Vancouver port shutdown, and this one lingering, right at the absolute worst possible time of year.  All the labour minister does is tell the union and the employer to 'get it done", well neither are getting it done are they.  In CP's case, I dont think they want a deal, I think they are bargaining in bad faith waiting for an arbitration order or back to work legislation so they can stick with the status quo while they continue trying to bust the union by claiming they are broke.  I think they want amazonian drone employees who work 16 hour days using their own vehicle being paid minimum wage who can be fired for cause if they screw up on anything.  The truth I suspect is that management are so bad at their jobs of running Canada Post they cant afford to offer their staff anything more at all, and they certainly wouldnt consider wage cuts themselves.  My career in the civil service taught me the most useless people in any large organization are in management.   How do you run what used to be a near monopoly into the ground like they have? Im sure a thousand page book could be written about this - the incompetence is no doubt breathtaking. 

 

The union strike notice today is just brinksmanship to try to push CP into putting forth a better deal but I suspect their intent is to wait for govt to intervene and legislate everybody back to work if they choose to go.  This is pure speculation at this point but Im not sure the Liberals are going to do this, Trudeau doesnt seem to want to do anything about anything these days that could cause him to lose power.  If Singh Poileivre and the BQ guy start sabre rattling about this, then we might see some action taken.  Meanwhile every single Canadian who has bought something online not on Amazon is stuck on the sidelines watching this stupid game play out that cares nothing for the collateral damage it is creating.   Think of the money ebay stands to lose from Canadian sellers shutting down as a result of this, its not chump change (compared to the Americans it is, but you know what I mean).

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Your option would be to either charge an obscene flat rate to Canada that would prevent anybody from reasonably buying your item, or to offer UPS or Fedex, which for lettermail items would have the same effect. $12-$100 shipping via UPS instead of $2 via lettermail. 

 

Of course, you have to be prepared to drop it off or have it picked up by UPS or Fedex when someone does eventually buy an item. 

 

It looks like they updated the website last night, and you can now have a calculated rate for Canada and a flat rate for the USA. If you have access to UPS, my advice would be to use calculated shipping for UPS in Canada, and then charge a flat rate for Chit Chats or Stallion to the USA.

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@ilikehockeyjerseys wrote:

Stallion is viable, but because there is no integration directly with eBay, you open yourself up to having to cancel orders in areas that UniUni or FleetOptics don't ship to. 

 

I tried it for a week or two, and while it was fine for the places it shipped to, I continually received orders that ended up going Expedited Lite because they were in areas not serviced by Stallion's cheaper services. 

 

For the volume of lettermail orders I do, it's not worth the time needed on customer service for each cancellation. If Canada Post is gone for months, maybe I would consider it. My time is finite in terms of what I can list or focus on with eBay so I will just focus on parcel orders. 

 

 


@ilikehockeyjerseys 

Stallion/ Chit Chats are not viable for many because of inconvenience/lack of available drop off locations. For my case Stallion is 1:15 mins away and multiple buses 1 way. For home pick up there could be added costs involved.  And forget about it if you are off the beaten track/rural.

 

Another option that could work for "some" sellers is DYK Post which co-mingles with USPS. Again limited locations. Grand total of 11 offices in western Canada.

 

https://www4.dykpost.com/howitworks/

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yes those are all options that as you well know are such poor options they arent really worth the time exploring for what scratch you might bring in.  Its like when the EU put their VAT in place; technically, EU citizens could still buy, but they didnt in large numbers because the item had just been priced out of affordability range due to the added expense.  the only logical response I can see right now is to shut down again unfortunately until this nonsense has been sorted out.   what a ******* mess this is

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@darak10 wrote:

yes those are all options that as you well know are such poor options they arent really worth the time exploring for what scratch you might bring in.  Its like when the EU put their VAT in place; technically, EU citizens could still buy, but they didnt in large numbers because the item had just been priced out of affordability range due to the added expense.  the only logical response I can see right now is to shut down again unfortunately until this nonsense has been sorted out.   what a ******* mess this is


Extremly sadly all these recent changes like eIS, VAT, Sales Tax add ons, packaging, any special documentation and maybe even fuel surcharges all they have done is made it much more difficult to ship to markets everywhere. In the olden days of eBay I used to regularly ship to random countries world wide. Last few years....not so much!!! As for the list of changes those have become major nuisances. Yay for anyone who has a loophole through this jumbled mess we are now in. If customs clearance processing were to become the next loophole that would be a nightmare for most Canadian Mom & Pop sellers. 

 

 

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I am not disagreeing with you, I am just providing input about how it worked out in my personal experience using them as a subtitute for lettermail. I am aware that for many, they aren't convenient or accessible. 

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darak10.....you can't turn off sales to the home country of an Ebay site.   A workaround is to put your listings on Ebay.com....then you could block Canada.    That would probably be a lot of work to do for you but you do get the same number of free listings on ebay.com that you are getting on ebay.ca.  ie you get another set of free listings, so you could leave those listing in place indefinitely and probably have better exposure to the US market by listing on ebay.com directly.   And once the strike is over you can unblock Canada on the ebay.com listings.

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If we're talking lettermail, I agree with you.

 

For parcels, UPS is working out great for me. No doubt, I am losing some orders to rural areas in Canada who are likely seeing $50-$100 shipping quotes, but otherwise it's extremely fast and convenient. The pickups are dirt cheap. For most places in Canada, the shipping rates are similar to Canada Post. For the USA, Tracked Packet was cheaper but it doesn't seem to be making a big difference. 

 

Disclaimer, I understand it's YMMV based on where a seller is located. But if you're located in a major city, UPS is a great option. 

 

If eBay and Stallion have any working relationship, or an opportunity to build one, now would be the time to integrate Stallion into eBay's label system. If I could have some sort of Stallion calculated shipping option that deferred to the cheapest Stallion method and blocked ineligible addresses, I would use it.

 

If eBay wants to survive into the future where Canada Post may not exist as it does now, and eBay does not want to become a dead Groupon clone that nobody uses, they need to investigate creating their own version of Stallion or partnering with Stallion or Chit Chats. They need a way that a buyer can see a price, and I can print a label, and it will consolidate all the different couriers and just give them the quote for the one that makes the most sense.  

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to be perfectly honest, they are probably already dead in the water in this respect.  companies that have onsite shipping services (amazon) are laughing - not only is there no problem, think of all the customers being driven to amazon because of stuff like this.   They are set up perfectly to gain market share and turn operations like this into dodos.  They kind of do have that service available now for shipping, there are three shipping options usually available when I go in to buy a label, but you are right, it needs to go further and be more comprehensive.  Long term if ebay doesnt set something up like amazon has set up it will significantly decrease its long term viability.  But bottom line whatever is done it wont go far enough as the money required to develop an infrastructure to handle lettermail shipments within Canada ebay doesnt have or want to invest.  Amazon could step into this market, and honestly I would bet they have already looked into the viability of it. 

 

But lets be honest here: the services you are talking about are available in Ontario and Quebec, and dont extend to most parts of the country.  Whatever service is integrated, it needs to be Canada wide, which neither Stallion no ChitChats is.  here's a screenshot of my google search for Stallion western Canada for those who want a snicker.  There is too much regional disparity to make this work.  We have only had chit chats in Alberta for maybe 3 years and both the Edmonton locations closed last year.  They were kind enough to arrange a couple drop off locations but thats it.  This issue long term will leave most Canadian ecommerce retailers outside of the Montreal municipal area and most of southern ON without a viable long term business model because cheaper shipping options just arent available where they live.  But still, god, even chitchats - since I flipped over to using them  for my US shipments last week, their prices are anywhere from $2 - $12 more expensive than what I was getting buying the label from ebay.  If there was no labour disruption, no way would I use them. 

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didnt post my attachment, just google 'stallion western canada" for no doubt the same results

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