Stallion and ChitChats shipments status as of today Feb 5

If I understand correctly, for new shipments Chinese products, both Stallion and Chitchats stopped accepting them as of now (Feb 5)

 

How about new shipments Non-Chinese products? Is it now okay to ship with both Chitchats and Stallion? 

 

Do I need to put a copy of proof for country of origin, if nothing marked on the product, attach printed email in the package?

 

(e.g. a product I sold has no information about country of manufacture but I emailed the manufacturer and got email confirmation about product being made in Spain ..)

 

 

Existing shipments Chinese made products - both Stallion and Chitchats still working to process, Stallion already indicated how they plan to process tariff payment on the account.

 

Existing shipments non-Chinese made products - Stallion requires an email with proof of country of origin. Chitchats, no word from them whether they need something?  They (Stallion) didn't mention if they also need this for new shipments going forward, only mentions existing shipments. 

 

 

 

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If I understand correctly, for new shipments Chinese products, both Stallion and Chitchats stopped accepting them as of now (Feb 5)

 

How about new shipments Non-Chinese products? Is it now okay to ship with both Chitchats and Stallion? 

 

Do I need to put a copy of proof for country of origin, if nothing marked on the product, attach printed email in the package?

 

(e.g. a product I sold has no information about country of manufacture but I emailed the manufacturer and got email confirmation about product being made in Spain ..)

 

 

Existing shipments Chinese made products - both Stallion and Chitchats still working to process, Stallion already indicated how they plan to process tariff payment on the account.

 

Existing shipments non-Chinese made products - Stallion requires an email with proof of country of origin. Chitchats, no word from them whether they need something?  They (Stallion) didn't mention if they also need this for new shipments going forward, only mentions existing shipments. 

 

 

 


From what I found out, Stallion needs the email with proof of origin for existing shipments because it wasn't on their website, now it's on their website, I don't think we're required to email them this information anymore.

 

Stallion is trying to clear Chinese shipments sent Feb 3 and 4, and they're trying to implement something to collect the duties on Chinese shipments in future, but I don't think this is in place yet.

 

I've taken my Chinese items off my eBay store for right now until things are sorted out. For all we know they will make changes to the tariffs and reinstate some kind of de minimis. It's really an unknown.

 

C.

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Stallion and ChitChats shipments status as of today Feb 5

I'm going through this with Stallion right now, waiting on answers regarding the documentation/proof of origin.

 

I'm quite sure that the Stallion HQ in turmoil so I'm being patient, whatever plans they had in the works last week are now completely redundant with the elimination of the de minimus exemption for goods from China and the flip/flop on tariffs on Canadian goods (something I suspect may just be abandoned).

 

Obviously the type of "proof" available for vintage goods is in many cases not available other than product markings and even those are spotty on some type of goods.

 

I have 3 US packages sitting at Stallion

 

2 are clearly marked Made In Canada, the other is not marked at all (it was made in the UK or possibly France). For all of them the original  manufacturers have been defunct for 2 - 3 decades so Stallions suggestion to "check the manufacturers website" was a bit of a laugh, sorry, no such thing as a website in 1980!

 

I don't not know what is going on at Chit Chats, I switched from them 5 years ago because of their erratic behaviour and from what I hear they haven't changed (still provide a pretty good service if your needs are strictly getting packages over the border and handed off to USPS/UPS).

 



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What is your plan for the duties. If Stallion supports both duties collected from seller or buyer? 

 

I still didn't see anything from Ebay. Not a word. Are they going to show the duties on checkout?  That would make more sense. Given how greedy ebay is on fees, they could charge fees on the total amount including duties, hahaaa, even payment processing fee on the total. 

 

Otherwise, if ebay doesn't show duties on checkout, I am going to manage 2 pricing, one for US and one for Canada, perhaps having separate listings and limit the shipping policy for US only and Canada only. 

 

Currently I offer free shipping to US buyers. SO this is a major problem now as I need to change that. Otherwise I will end up paying duties on the selling price which includes shipping for the item. I need to show the shipping cost separately in ebay starting from now on. One more headache to change all my shipping policies now.

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Otherwise, if ebay doesn't show duties on checkout, I am going to manage 2 pricing, one for US and one for Canada, perhaps having separate listings and limit the shipping policy for US only and Canada only. 

 


The problem with that is if the duties change, you have a ton of work to do to modify everything again. It's entirely possible this will be an ongoing on and off type thing for the next few years for us and potentially escalating for China.

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What is your plan for the duties. If Stallion supports both duties collected from seller or buyer? 

 


I haven't decided yet. I'm waiting for the US to decide what they're going to do and stop flip flopping their tariff strategy every other day so I can make decisions. no sense in revising a bunch of listings to deal with tariffs if it goes out the window after a few days.

 

Some times I might list and accept that I pay duties (I might do that if there's lots of profit or lots of room to cover off that expense), other items I might move to my Cdn account and ship as lettermail. That's not what I'm supposed to do, but a card with two stamps on it can go in a regular #10 envelope with a piece of paper, no one will know.

 

C.

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@itolduandso wrote:

What is your plan for the duties. If Stallion supports both duties collected from seller or buyer? 

 


Stallion have no way to collect duties from buyers, they have no contact with them, they do not deliver packages.

 

 

 

 

WARNING: The commentary below has not been fully confirmed, it should be generally accurate but there could be things that will change based on some questions I have asked Stallion to clarify.

 

I received some information from Stallion last night, it prompted some further questions for clarification which I want answer before I provide all the details and some links to sources of information since Stallion don't really have much to offer at this time.

 

Leaving aside the movement of goods made in China for the moment because they neither qualify for the de minimis exemption or the USMCA exemption.

 

A Certificate of Origin must be supplied for goods made in Canada, Mexico or the USA, it may be possible to use a Blanket certificate that would be effective for one year and need to be updated annually, this would be the most helpful for those that use only a limited amount of HTS codes. Invoices accompanying shipments should include Country Of Origin (Canada, Mexico, US) and HTS. (as always with customs, invoices should be accessible  on the outside of the package, not mandatory but definitely starts doing a higher level of random inspections.

 

For goods other than China, Canada, Mexico or US a regular commercial invoice will suffice, it will require country of origin and possibly the HTS codes (I'm not sure on that yet).

 

 

Once again the information above is not fully confirmed

 

Once I hear back from Stallion I will post what I find out and also provide some additional information that may be helpful.

 

Some additional pure speculation....

 

As always the max value remains at US$800. Since Chinese goods will require a formal entry for any value it's possible Stallion could remove that limitation. If they are forced into the handling of dutiable goods for the China stuff with formal entries perhaps they will use the same process for goods from all countries and allow shipments over the current US$800 limit. Of course there would be fees to pay for formal entries. Stallion and Chit Chats had the $800 limit simply because it meant they never had to deal with formal customs entries and the associated costs and complexities. For me personally 99.9% of my orders are under the limit!

 

 



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Is this something for Stallion and ChitChats only? (Cerificate of Original and HTS codes). I've never used them, I only use Canada Post and print my labels from eBay.  eBay has not yet posted/informed us of what will be happening, what is required/mandatory since all the changes.

I come here often as you guys are a wealth of knowledge and I see the posts and get a heads up when necessary, but there has to be tens of thousands (probably more) that sell here and don't even look at the forums. Many would be continuing as usual.

I took a break from selling for a couple of months and started again last week, happy to see 5 packages I sent to US go through customs in record time (delivered in 3 and 4 business days), my one within Ontario was delivered the next day (again super fast).  I have been holding off doing anything now as things are looking pretty bad and this will be causing delays no matter what carrier is being used by the sounds of it! 

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Partially yes, it appears so.  Their business is brokering parcels between here and the USA so they have specific requirements for that business that a small business, or especially a casual eBay / etsy seller, may not have.  Like a blanket certificate. 

 

  Everything I ship is sent using an HS code with the CoO marked correctly. It's easy to do with CPC clickship or eBay labels, or Shippo etc.   Even ChitChats has a provision, but it wasn't mandatory for US bound parcels previously (and defaulted to origin of Canada). 

 

You can search your item to match an HS code here:

https://www.canadapost-postescanada.ca/information/app/wtz/business/findHsCode?execution=e2s1

sometimes it's best to check the code it spits out with US Customs page (or just google the HS code) as it's not a perfect system. 

cpchscode.jpg

 

Then add to your label:

eblabl.jpg

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Just to note, only the first 6 digits of an HS number is the same worldwide.
If US parcels via a CBS require the HTS 10 digit number (HTS is what America calls it), that must come from a US site. Numbers added AFTER the first 6 are country specific of destination to further classify incoming items. So adding a 10 digit HS code from the Canadian tariff look up is not correct.

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