Alberta's greenhouse gas emissions now exceed ON and QC combined!

Ontario and Quebec combined have 21 million people living in an area 2.5 million sq. km. Alberta has 3.6 million people living in an area of 660,000 sq. km.

 

I only saw the story in french. Maybe someone has something similar in English

 

http://www.lapresse.ca/environnement/dossiers/changements-climatiques/201404/16/01-4758112-quebec-se...

 

for those who don't read french, Canada's complete inventory of greenhouse gases is now available, up to date as of 2012.

 

here: http://unfccc.int/national_reports/annex_i_ghg_inventories/national_inventories_submissions/items/81...

 

An amazingly thorough document. Breaking it down multiple different ways - by province, by gas, by facility. It also gives a fascinating and super detailed look at Canadian industry, agriculture, resource extraction, and numerous other aspects of societal behavior...

 

 

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I was reading an article the other day, Globe and Mail I think it was, that said that our oil fields are now the largest contributor of pollution in Canada.

 

But I have come to learn that a majority of people don't care. As long as they have their Timmies in the morning and they have all the other toys in life, what is happening around them is really of no major concern, especially what is happening hundreds of miles away in some other Province. Out of sight, out of mind.

Humans are basically greedy, probably the greediest species on the planet, greedy towards other species and greedy even towards our own.

Money is everything to most people and we admire and want to emulate those who are the major successes in money, but often we don't ask ourselves "how did they get that money"? When we live in a society where 1% have a majority of the wealth and many more people either try to exist or starve, there is something very wrong there.

 

I know people will laugh at me, feel free to, but I have a concept most notably found in Star Trek.......there is no money. Quote..... "The economics of the future is somewhat different. You see, money doesn't exist in the 24th century. The acquisition of wealth is no longer the driving force in our lives. We work to better ourselves and the rest of humanity." How does that work? Well everyone has a job, everyone has a purpose and in exchange everyone gets what they want. There are no people with so much wealth they run the world and there are no people starving and hungry. Governments work at making the world better, which brings me back to oil and resources. Instead of oil and gas companies in control of lives and futures and the environment, governments have scientists who along with workers they work at creating better fuel sources for everyone. Gas and oil will be a thing of the past and the world will be cleaner and safer. Instead of humans being as George Carlin once said ..........just another infestation that one day the world will shake off like a bad case of fleas.........we will be instead a species that creates and develops things that are unimaginable to us at the moment and it will be done without greed.

 

I sometimes wonder if what we really need is a major disaster for us to sit up and take notice? Maybe it will take that, but how many will have to suffer for the greed and complacency of others at that moment? I wish I lived in a country where our government would say they wanted to work seriously on alternative clean fuel sources for vehicles and solar power for every home in Canada and made us the leading nation on the planet that not only thinks about the future here, but for the whole world and in the process create countless jobs in an increasingly safe land. But instead and I don't mean to get political here but it's the reality, we have a leader who has an umbilical cord attached to oil wells and filthy rich corporations that have one goal and one goal only, to make more money for the owners and their gambling investors. Greed.





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No doubt whatsoever in my mind that in Canada, with the technology we have today, we could have a one hour work week, or so, and everyone would get along just fine, just that 90% of the bs would be done away with.

 

And with that the GHG emissions would likely be reduced by about 90%.

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And if our largest royality revenue producing resource were in ON or QC did the article say the comparison results would be the same? Just wondering.

 

How much of the Albertas royalities that add to the division of revenue go to ON and QC?  How would these two have not provinces survive if we shut down Alberta? Just wondering.

 

Did the article mention the polar vortex and how it may have added to GHG in Canada? Just wondering. After all energy consumption went sky high to keep warm this past winter.

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LOL. I doubt ON and QC survivability depends on Alberta's oil. If that was the case, both provinces would have disappeared along time ago even before the oilsand boom. Care to explain why that wasnt the case?.


And are you saying that Alberta's oil sand is carrying our economy?.
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fixmusic, I agree. In fact I am moving more and more to the opinion that the tar sands are actually holding us (especially Alberta) back, by encouraging youth to get into relatively low-skilled fields that are non-sustainable.

 

Every time I think of how AB away the $$BBBs "Heritage Fund" they had hoarded in the '80s it ticks me off. Instead of laying the groundwork for real innovation, they just paved every highway 2 or 3 times, paid off the municipal debts across the whole province and basically financed Alberta's continued delusional refusal to have a provincial sales tax.

 

Furthermore the ironic thing about it is the myth of Alberta being full of "hard workers". Basically people are the same all across the country but face it, work is easier to get in Alberta. Higher paying jobs, often with lower job requirements. Starting teachers out there making 40% more than they do in Quebec. Nurses among the highest paid in the country, etc. When you think about it, it is in many cases a whole lot harder to earn a living anywhere else in the country besides Alberta. (kind of a sidebar rant lol - I actually love AB and have lived there, just looking at this objectively)

 

And then you need to consider what a huge chunk of the tar sands is already foreign owned and where the profits go...

 

So yeah, after a short adjustment period, I think we would be economically better off without the tar sands. At the very least, I think that there needs to be at least one full blown tar sands project that is run sustainably in a pristine manner.

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"we would be economically better off without the tar sands"

 

???

 

The "tar sands" are there.  They are not going anywhere. We could all wish they were located elsewhere - Africa, Asia, whatever - but the reality is simple: they are in Saskatchewan and Alberta.

 

The question is more: what to do with them?  Develop them and get oil and byproducts (plastic etc) from them - creating jobs for a lot of Canadians - or leave the bitumen in the ground?

 

Hundreds of billions of dollars have been invested by Canadians and Canadian investment and pension funds in the development of the "tar sands".  Should we just write it all off and expect no negative effect on the value of our investments and pensions?

 

If Canadians do not get oil from the "oil sands", they will need to import it from the Middle East or Venezuela or the North Sea or wherever oil deposits exist.  Why give our money to foreign interests to purchase oil we have in our ground? Where will that money come from?  How badly would our standards of living be affected by cutting exports and increasing imports?

 

Will Canadians really consume less energy if we do not develop the "tar sands'?  Let's think that one through.

 

 

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Will Canadians really consume less energy if we do not develop the "tar sands'?  Let's think that one through.

 

Realistically any move to extricate ourselves from the tar sands would no doubt run on for decades if not generations, barring some kind of global collapse or freeze on GHG emissions or something like that.

 

And, even a gradual weaning from the petro teat would be a struggle. What I think should be done is this:

 

1. Rationalization of royalties. So that Alberta and Canadians receive equivalent compensation as citizens of Norway, or any other country get from big oil.

 

2. No big oil strong arm intimidation tactics tolerated. This is what I call grounds for monumental fines.

 

3. Conversion of first one and then all the tar sands plants into fully sustainable operations, where no fossil fuels are burned in production and the CEOs and local managers drink and bathe in the run off waters.

 

4. Tar sands profits / royalties made available to re-engineer power generation and transportation in Alberta and Canada wide.

 

In the long run, oil is a finite resource. Whatever we don't use now will only become more valuable in the future. Even if fossil fuel is no longer needed, ie, say solar power generating satellites become viable - we'll still need these petroleums for hundreds of by products and plastics and who knows what that hasn't even been invented.

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We read a lot of negative stuff about Canada's oil sands (called "tar sands" by some).

 

From time to time, it is not a bad idea to read the other side of the coin: what do the oil sand producers have to say about their operations?

 

http://www.oilsandstoday.ca/Pages/default.aspx 

 

Disclosure - like most Canadians, I have financial interests in Canada's oil sands either directly or indirectly (CPP for example).

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As it says, "bitumen is as hard as a hockey puck". Oil is supposed to be a liquid. So that's why it's more properly called tar, not oil. Oil being a weird euphemism, which sort of sets the tone for the vast amount of propaganda made available by big oil. We see it on TV pretty much on a daily basis, platitudes and half truths.

Why would a wonderful industry require such an expensive, elaborate propaganda machine? To the extent that they have set up countless phony "institutes" and "patriotic" "associations" and such like...

To be fair, most of what goes on in AB is pre-ordained so not a whole lot of point in discussing. But surely the entire country, including the oil industry itself, would benefit if the tar sands were managed more sustainably.

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Couldn't have said it better Pierre. Somone here art-iculates their opinion on this subject as if living in a dreamworld.  

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Nobody ever believed that Ontarians woul be able to get off coal but we did it. So its not about asking Canadians if they would use more energy or not. Its about looking for efficiency. We have been making quite a leap towards it arent we?. Look at how the cars are being built today compared to 20 years ago. It is totally different output of emissions


Lets not pretend that Canadians are truly reaping the benefits of the oil sands. We are exporting it to the US.  
I dont think people are saying that we should just cut off the oil sand with a snap of a finger. Its a gradual process.


Pierre, you are right. It is  not going anywhere. So, why are we taking it out now?. We were fine even before the boom. We have always competed.  It is not a NEED for survival.  Why can't we go towards other paths?.

 

Why cant we balance it out AT LEAST and not totally exploit it given the circumstance of our environment?.  Your average Canadian arent getting rich off of the oil, its the oil companies. Are we even getting crumbs?. So I dont understand the loyalty towards it. We havent even talk about the environmental casualties that has occurred and will occur in the future when it is all said and done.

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Alberta Canada 1 of 3 - Toxic - VICE .....Youtube, 3 parts. Take the time. Watch it.





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"the entire country, including the oil industry itself, would benefit if the tar sands were managed more sustainably."

 

???

 

Sustainability has always been the key factor in building such enterprise.  Currently, based on maximum production capacity, Syncrude (the largest oil sands operator) estimates reserves to last more than ninety years.  Anyway you look at it: that is sustainability. 

 

And, based on history of the last twenty years, new discoveries and better technology keep adding to those reserves.  Our children and grandchildren will not see the end of the oil sands!  Sustainability has never been and is not the problem.

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"Nobody ever believed that Ontarians woul be able to get off coal but we did it."

 

At one hell of a cost I might add to manufacturing and civillian what with wind turbines and solar farms producing power at 34¢ to 55¢ depending on installation size. Don't you just love that rate of subsidizing?

 

"Lets not pretend that Canadians are truly reaping the benefits of the oil sands"

 

Well I could give you a market product that is solely based on oil sands companies. Those divs are sure helping me pay the high Ontario electricity rates.

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By managing the tar sands more sustainably, I mean operating the resource in a more environmentally sustainable way. Meaning not burning the equivalent of a barrel of oil for each four produced. Meaning we take astonishing care to ensure that the environment is preserved and protected. And no stone is left unturned in the effort to make Alberta a shining example of conscientious environmental practice.

 

The result being Canada and especially Alberta ceasing to be the international pariah that we have become.

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From Syncrude website:

 

Environment, Health and Safety

 

Our Safety, Health and Environment Policy sets a clear vision for responsible development of the oil sands resource.

 

Syncrude's Safety, Health and Environment Policy

 

At Syncrude we are committed to protecting and promoting the safety and well-being of our employees, our contractors, our communities and our environment.

We believe excellence and continuous improvement in environment, health and safety performance are in the best interest of all of our stakeholders. Our Corporate success depends upon it.

 

Our desired outcomes are a workplace where everyone upholds Syncrude’s Vision, Values and Guiding Principles, a workplace that fosters the emotional and physical well-being of employees, a workplace where incidents that could harm people or the environment do not occur, and a workplace where all employees and contractors demonstrate personal commitment to operational excellence.

 

Toward this:

 

  • we aim for a safe and reliable operation where all risks that could compromise the health and safety of workers, or the environment, are identified, understood and managed.
  • we meet all regulated standards for safety, health and environmental performance as the minimum expectation.
  • we learn from best practices applied elsewhere and endeavour to incorporate such lessons into our practices and procedures.
  • we integrate safety, health and environment considerations, along with economic factors, into all business decisions.
  • Syncrude management takes a leadership role in advocating workplace health and safety, and environmental sustainability, in appropriate regional, provincial and national forums.

 

Through the efforts and collective experience of our employees and contractors, Syncrude will be an acknowledged leader in safety, health and environmental performance.  We will continue to improve by working together and sharing responsibility for a healthy environment, as well as the safety and well-being of our co-workers, our families, our communities and ourselves.

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The way I see it, the problem is not what Syncrude does or plans to do.  It is a matter of credibility, or lack thereof.  Many folks (like you and millions of others) do not believe what they read.

 

I am not suggesting the system is perfect.  Far from it.  However, my original objection - as stated earlier - is the thinking that we could close the oil sands with little repercussion for Canadians.  That, quite frankly, is grossly underestimating the financial impact oil sands and the Canadian oil industry in general have in our lives.

 

What next?  Close the nickel mines because they use an awful lot of energy to extract nickel from 2000 feet underground?  Copper?  Lead?  Zinc?  Should we also close the smelters?  Refining operations?

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Also from Syncrude website:

 

Aboriginal Relations

 

We are proud to be one of the largest employers of Aboriginal people in Canada.

 

  • Through our Aboriginal Relations program, we focus on the following six key commitment areas: corporate leadership, employment, business development, education and training, community development and the environment.
  • Syncrude is one of 13 companies in Canada, and the only oil sands operator, to be accredited at the Gold Level in the Progressive Aboriginal Relations (PAR) Program of the Canadian Council for Aboriginal Business (CCAB) . PAR measures corporate performance in Aboriginal employment, business development, capacity development and community relations.
  • We directly employ around 500 Aboriginal people who represent over 8% of our total employee population. Many more are employed by our contractors.
  • Since 1992, we have conducted over $1.7 billion in total business volume with Aboriginal companies. Syncrude provides significant opportunity to Aboriginal-owned businesses in the Wood Buffalo region. In fact, if all other factors in a contract proposal are equal, preference is given to local Aboriginal businesses. We also encourage contractors to employ Aboriginal people and subcontract work to Aboriginal businesses.
  • Syncrude regularly conducts tours of reclamation areas for representatives from local Aboriginal communities. As well, we are working closely with Elders to ensure the re-establishment of native tree species of interest to Aboriginal stakeholders. Species now successfully being re-introduced include low-bush cranberry, blueberry and buffalo berry.
  • Each year, Syncrude produces Pathways – a magazine which highlights successes and achievements of local, regional and national Aboriginal people, as well as our performance related to the six key commitment areas. This publication, also called the Aboriginal Review, can downloaded from the selections on the left.
  • We support a variety of organizations and intiatives focused on the advancement of Aboriginal people. In addition to the CCAB mentioned above, we also support the Aboriginal Human Resource Council, Indspire, Northeastern Alberta Aboriginal Business Association and the annual Esquao Awards.
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A one hour work week?

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