08-19-2015 10:08 AM
Hello Canadian eBayers,
I thought the format from last week worked really well, let's try it again this week. Please start posting at your convenience, I'll be with you on & off until sometime in the afternoon.
08-19-2015 02:19 PM
@pierrelebel wrote:
"item numbers from sellers who see this happen, so I can try for myself."
OK - here is a different type of problem.
Take a look at:
Whenever I attempt to "relist" or "sell similar" eBay gives me a message that the image does not meet eBay's standards!
Why?
It keeps happening, from time to time.
You're going to love my answer. 🙂
This happens because the image on your original listing did not meet the minimum size standards (500 pixels on the longest side). See for yourself: Click the link you provided me with, scroll down to the picture and inspect the image element on the page (you may have to view the page code to achieve this, depending on your browser). The image on the original listing was only 372 x 314, which really doesn't meet eBay's standards.
Here is the page source code as I view it on Chrome for Mac:
08-19-2015 02:22 PM
That is too funny.
It is a postage stamp. It is just that big. And, like most stamp dealers, I use a scanner, not a camera.
All stamps are scanned the same way, uploaded the same way with the same software. Yet only one in 100 maybe will come up with that problem and only on a relist, never the original listing.
08-19-2015 02:25 PM
@pierrelebel wrote:
That is too funny.
It is a postage stamp. It is just that big. And, like most stamp dealers, I use a scanner, not a camera.
All stamps are scanned the same way, uploaded the same way with the same software. Yet only one in 100 maybe will come up with that problem and only on a relist, never the original listing.
If you raise the resolution on your scanner for these smaller stamps, or even for all your stamps, you should avoid this problem entirely. Out of curiosity, what settings do you use? Could you raise the DPI setting on your scanner? This may or may not be relevant but the industry standard for hi-res scans is 300 DPI I think.
08-19-2015 02:25 PM
Remember we are talking about cross-border transactions here. When the shipping is capped on outbound shipping in certain categories, they are capped as per the average cost of shipping for items in that category, in the country corresponding to the eBay site the item was listed on. For example, DVDs listed on eBay.com have a shipping cost cap that corresponds to how much it costs to ship DVDs via USPS.
When we start looking at cross-border returns, it's logical that we wouldn't hold the buyer against the same shipping caps as the seller, since shipping costs vary greatly between countries.
I am not referring to domestic shipping caps for specific categories. This has been domestic policy for years and is well understood. Please clear domestic shipping caps completely from your mind.
When seller funded returns was first announced I gave some consideration to the terms of the agreement for international sales. One of the specifications was that return shipping costs could not exceed the shipping costs to send.
I suspect that this was due to the legalities of refunds, ebay could freeze and reclaim paypal payments but they had no power to extract extra money from the seller. To do so would be ultra vires.
It should also be noted that due to the difference in international postal services it is not possible, for example, to get a tracked or signed for return from the UK to USA for as little as a US seller would pay for FCMI with e-Delcon (delivery confirmation} from USPS. The hypothetical UK buyer, told to return the item by basic airmail and to provide evidence of delivery would be paying an extra £6 charges the US seller would not have, as USPS tracking for e-Delcon has no extra cost to the seller.
I doubt if the Canadian Post Service has exactly the same shipping class or costs and any other country, or that the services have similar enough names that an ebay employee would be well enough informed on the world's postal nomenclature to know what really was equivalent to what.
Assuming that the return did in fact, and without any gross misuse, amount to more than the seller's shipping costs. exactly how would ebay reimburse the seller, and from whose funds?
08-19-2015 02:28 PM
In case of a return on an item that was not as described, the seller is instructed to make arrangements with the buyer for the return. As such, it is up to the seller to instruct the buyer on which shipping service should be used for the return
What if the seller is non-co-operative? If nor specific instruction is given.
What happens if the seller has no idea what shipping services are available for tracked shipping from North Ruzakistan?
08-19-2015 02:34 PM
@afantiques wrote:
Assuming that the return did in fact, and without any gross misuse, amount to more than the seller's shipping costs. exactly how would ebay reimburse the seller, and from whose funds?
eBay would reimburse the buyer from its own money and later recoup that money from the seller. This is specified in the eBay Money Back Guarantee terms.
I would add that the best way for a seller to avoid this situation would be to ensure that the items they ship are, in fact, as described.
08-19-2015 02:42 PM
@afantiques wrote:
In case of a return on an item that was not as described, the seller is instructed to make arrangements with the buyer for the return. As such, it is up to the seller to instruct the buyer on which shipping service should be used for the return
What if the seller is non-co-operative? If nor specific instruction is given.
What happens if the seller has no idea what shipping services are available for tracked shipping from North Ruzakistan?
Again, the eMBG dispute resolution is a conversation between the buyer and the seller in which the seller is expected to make it right for the buyer. If the buyer is in North Ruzakistan (could you please show me that on a map? ;)), the seller would then have to ask the buyer about the various shipping options and then instruct them on which to use.
08-19-2015 02:42 PM
There is a 'bug' with the feedback system when applied via mobile device in that it automatically reiterates the exact text from a previous transaction to following transaction(s) when the same 'positive' feedback button is selected.
I recently had a very happy buyer who left me positive feedback and glowing DSRs with a less-than-flattering textual comment that was copied verbatim (by ebay, not the buyer) from the previous transaction that he/she had experienced from another seller entirely. Nothing could be done in so far that I could not apply to have it 'revised' because it was positive, not negative. The buyer was appalled afterwards to see that they had left the wrong comment for me when they had been so very happy with the experience. (You don't have to take me word for this, you can check ebay Messages.) Do you understand what I mean? The buyer selected positive for me and the left DSRs accordingly but 'didn't even see the spot where text went' before hitting submit; it was auto-filled from the previous feedback left for someone else entirely. If you've ever used an iPhone and the ebay app to leave feedback, you'll know exactly what I mean.
If you go to to Discussion threads, you'll see this kind of thing happens to other sellers on a regular basis. One can only speculate the involvement of mobile devices here.
Is this on ebay's radar to fix?
08-19-2015 02:44 PM - edited 08-19-2015 02:45 PM
@pierrelebel wrote:"item numbers from sellers who see this happen, so I can try for myself."
OK - here is a different type of problem.
Take a look at:
Whenever I attempt to "relist" or "sell similar" eBay gives me a message that the image does not meet eBay's standards!
Why?
It keeps happening, from time to time.
Use this tool to see what listings are not meeting the minimum 500 pixels on the longest side.
http://www.isdntek.com/ebaytools/ListingPhotoSizes.htm
Read the instructions.
Enter your userid and ebay site. Actual site is not important if you listings are visible on eBay.com, ebay.ca and cafr.ebay.ca.
The list is color coded and breaks down what listings need to be fixed.
Go to the end of the page and look at the far right and you will see an enlarge button. This will enlarge you eBay photos to meet minimum requirements of the listings in question. Click on the photo and it will open up a popup window and you can save the enlarged photo to you desktop or your hosting site. Then use it when you relist.
As the instructions said, if the enlargement is small, there will be little difference in quality.
For the one in listed, it may be enlarged too much. You would have to put side by side and decide if okay.
08-19-2015 02:45 PM
Apologies, I was guilty of the seller/buyer muddle.
eBay would reimburse the buyer from its own money and later recoup that money from the seller. This is specified in the eBay Money Back Guarantee terms.
I was asking if, with the best will in the world, it was impossible to return the item for the same or less in shipping costs. The buyer's money would not be adequate to cover the refund, all they paid was the cost plus shipping to them.
I appreciate you would have to go after the seller for all the return costs. It also appears that the seller has an open ended responsibility here. Despite the original announcement saying their outlay would limited to no more than they spend sending the item.
I monitor several countries discussion boards for international shipping topics. This question of 'how to get returns paid for' is perennial and as far as I can recall, without a satisfactory answer.
Theoretical ebay solutions often seem to run aground when it comes to the difficulties, some of which I have mentioned, of their application in practice.
08-19-2015 02:52 PM
Here is the image from the relisted item
Here is the enlarged image from the tool above
08-19-2015 02:54 PM
@mjwl2006 wrote:
There is a 'bug' with the feedback system when applied via mobile device in that it automatically reiterates the exact text from a previous transaction to following transaction(s) when the same 'positive' feedback button is selected.
I recently had a very happy buyer who left me positive feedback and glowing DSRs with a less-than-flattering textual comment that was copied verbatim (by ebay, not the buyer) from the previous transaction that he/she had experienced from another seller entirely. Nothing could be done in so far that I could not apply to have it 'revised' because it was positive, not negative. The buyer was appalled afterwards to see that they had left the wrong comment for me when they had been so very happy with the experience. (You don't have to take me word for this, you can check ebay Messages.) Do you understand what I mean? The buyer selected positive for me and the left DSRs accordingly but 'didn't even see the spot where text went' before hitting submit; it was auto-filled from the previous feedback left for someone else entirely. If you've ever used an iPhone and the ebay app to leave feedback, you'll know exactly what I mean.
If you go to to Discussion threads, you'll see this kind of thing happens to other sellers on a regular basis. One can only speculate the involvement of mobile devices here.
Is this on ebay's radar to fix?
First time I hear about this. Luckily I'm well acquainted with the iPhone team, I'll let them know immediately. Thanks for reporting!
08-19-2015 02:58 PM
Again, the eMBG dispute resolution is a conversation between the buyer and the seller in which the seller is expected to make it right for the buyer. If the buyer is in North Ruzakistan (could you please show me that on a map? ), the seller would then have to ask the buyer about the various shipping options and then instruct them on which to use.
This assumes at least a degree of competence and application on the part of the seller (plus possibly some fluency in North Ruzakistani, an unusual form of a Finno-Ugric language with Igpay Atinlay loanwords) which is uncommon. If the seller does not co-operate the case will be closed in the buyer's favour. I am assuming then the the buyer would not be required to return the item, is this correct.
If it is incorrect, and the buyer has to spend possibly twice,or even the same amount, returning the object that they paid to receive it, the case is closed, so how can the buyer be recompensed for this expenditure.
08-19-2015 03:01 PM - edited 08-19-2015 03:02 PM
raphael@ebay.com wrote:
@mjwl2006 wrote:There is a 'bug' with the feedback system when applied via mobile device in that it automatically reiterates the exact text from a previous transaction to following transaction(s) when the same 'positive' feedback button is selected.
I recently had a very happy buyer who left me positive feedback and glowing DSRs with a less-than-flattering textual comment that was copied verbatim (by ebay, not the buyer) from the previous transaction that he/she had experienced from another seller entirely. Nothing could be done in so far that I could not apply to have it 'revised' because it was positive, not negative. The buyer was appalled afterwards to see that they had left the wrong comment for me when they had been so very happy with the experience. (You don't have to take me word for this, you can check ebay Messages.) Do you understand what I mean? The buyer selected positive for me and the left DSRs accordingly but 'didn't even see the spot where text went' before hitting submit; it was auto-filled from the previous feedback left for someone else entirely. If you've ever used an iPhone and the ebay app to leave feedback, you'll know exactly what I mean.
If you go to to Discussion threads, you'll see this kind of thing happens to other sellers on a regular basis. One can only speculate the involvement of mobile devices here.
Is this on ebay's radar to fix?
First time I hear about this. Luckily I'm well acquainted with the iPhone team, I'll let them know immediately. Thanks for reporting!
Thank you. It is perhaps not as much a bug as something where there is room for improvement. I'm thinking it was thought that autofill in the text box would be helpful because it makes it easy for buyers to leave feedback but, unfortunately, it also makes it very easy for buyers to leave feedback that they did not intend to leave for someone. I don't think it is a device-specific or operating system-specific issue either but if it is, that could be addressed with the app software. Unless the buyer was running an old version and it has been fixed with updates since then. (And on an iPhone, the keyboard placement covers that text box.)
08-19-2015 03:01 PM - edited 08-19-2015 03:02 PM
@pierrelebel wrote:"item numbers from sellers who see this happen, so I can try for myself."
OK - here is a different type of problem.
Take a look at:
Whenever I attempt to "relist" or "sell similar" eBay gives me a message that the image does not meet eBay's standards!
Why?
It keeps happening, from time to time.
An alternative method is pad a background and place your existing image on it using these tools. Please note these instructions are for making a 1000 pixel image. Change 1000 to 500 in the instructions below.
http://www.zippyhelp.com/imagetools/stitch/photostitch.htm
Irfanview:
Gimp:
08-19-2015 03:18 PM
@afantiques wrote:
Apologies, I was guilty of the seller/buyer muddle.
eBay would reimburse the buyer from its own money and later recoup that money from the seller. This is specified in the eBay Money Back Guarantee terms.
I was asking if, with the best will in the world, it was impossible to return the item for the same or less in shipping costs. The buyer's money would not be adequate to cover the refund, all they paid was the cost plus shipping to them.
I appreciate you would have to go after the seller for all the return costs. It also appears that the seller has an open ended responsibility here. Despite the original announcement saying their outlay would limited to no more than they spend sending the item.
I monitor several countries discussion boards for international shipping topics. This question of 'how to get returns paid for' is perennial and as far as I can recall, without a satisfactory answer.
Theoretical ebay solutions often seem to run aground when it comes to the difficulties, some of which I have mentioned, of their application in practice.
Thanks for clarifying.
Here is what I can say: in your scenario the buyer is fully indemnified on the return shipping cost, as that's the promise we make via eMBG. It's impossible to put a cap on that return shipping cost, since even if we take out the possibility of buyer abuse/misuse (eg. the buyer choosing the most expensive shipping service out of spite), the actual cheapest return shipping with tracking may still be more expensive than the original shipping, as you outlined.
In extreme cases where the discrepancy is too great eBay remains fair to the seller and will only recoup from them up to a certain point (apologies if I can't disclose more details on what that threshold is).
08-19-2015 03:27 PM
@afantiques wrote:
Again, the eMBG dispute resolution is a conversation between the buyer and the seller in which the seller is expected to make it right for the buyer. If the buyer is in North Ruzakistan (could you please show me that on a map?
), the seller would then have to ask the buyer about the various shipping options and then instruct them on which to use.
This assumes at least a degree of competence and application on the part of the seller (plus possibly some fluency in North Ruzakistani, an unusual form of a Finno-Ugric language with Igpay Atinlay loanwords) which is uncommon.
I always assumed the North Ruzakistani international trade laws required importers, both private and commercial, to know the local language for any country they buy from. But my intel may be dated on this particular subject. If I'm wrong, you're totally right that it's a long shot to expect a US or Canadian eBay seller to brush up on their ancient Finno-Ugric prior to making sales in that part of the former Soviet Union.
But back to our scenario.
@afantiques wrote:
If the seller does not co-operate the case will be closed in the buyer's favour. I am assuming then the the buyer would not be required to return the item, is this correct.
If the seller truly did not cooperate and the case is decided in the buyer's favour, that outcome would be possible. However things wouldn't end up this way if the seller attempted to make it right but in good faith, was unable to due to a language barrier or failure to help the seller make it right on the buyer's part.
@afantiques wrote:
If it is incorrect, and the buyer has to spend possibly twice,or even the same amount, returning the object that they paid to receive it, the case is closed, so how can the buyer be recompensed for this expenditure.
I have addressed this on my previous response to your other post.
08-19-2015 03:41 PM
I have to step away for a short while, but I'll be back to conclude this thread.
08-19-2015 03:56 PM
Thank you.
Returning to my first question about the Product Catalogue, can you tell me whether sellers are penalized by lower rank in search results despite having correct Product Identifiers on items because they haven't been linked those items to the incorrect Product Catalogue specifics and categories where those matches exist?
08-19-2015 04:03 PM
Thank you pocomo for the information.
My problem is not to get an image to meet eBay's standards (that's easy enough) but the fact eBay is so inconsistent in allowing an scanned image for a listing, allowing it for relisting for a while and then... pooof!