I'm not sure I understand this...
It's OK for you to have multiple ID's because it suits your purposes which are entirely honourable but others should be limited to the number of ID's they can have because their need for multiple ID's must be dishonourable. Is that the short version?
I have several ID's and I had a justifiable reason in opening each of them. I think I resent your implication that, because I have more ID's than you, I must be up to something that will undermine the safety and security of others on eBay.
I have multiple selling ID's. Each sells a different type of product. Each has it's own eBay store. Each has it's own email address. It's called "branding" and it is a perfectly acceptable business practice. In fact, eBay urges sellers to do so. So do most online marketing experts.
I also have multiple buying ID's and a posting ID. Why? Because it suits me - not because I am engaged in less than enjoyable activity. What drivel! Each of my ID's has it's own feedback scorecard and what is wrong with that? How does this undermine the purpose of the feedback system? It's easy for you to pass judgement on others who have multiple ID's as being bad people but you offer nothing to substantiate any of your notions.
Bill treasure-pot
It's OK for you to have multiple ID's because it suits your purposes which are entirely honourable but others should be limited to the number of ID's they can have because their need for multiple ID's must be dishonourable. Is that the short version?
I have several ID's and I had a justifiable reason in opening each of them. I think I resent your implication that, because I have more ID's than you, I must be up to something that will undermine the safety and security of others on eBay.
I have multiple selling ID's. Each sells a different type of product. Each has it's own eBay store. Each has it's own email address. It's called "branding" and it is a perfectly acceptable business practice. In fact, eBay urges sellers to do so. So do most online marketing experts.
I also have multiple buying ID's and a posting ID. Why? Because it suits me - not because I am engaged in less than enjoyable activity. What drivel! Each of my ID's has it's own feedback scorecard and what is wrong with that? How does this undermine the purpose of the feedback system? It's easy for you to pass judgement on others who have multiple ID's as being bad people but you offer nothing to substantiate any of your notions.
Bill treasure-pot
Well you did whitewash anyone with multiple IDs as being bad people.
You said:
People engaged in less than enjoyable activity, are the main people that use many multiple ids.
It was a totally baseless statement. No credence whatsoever. Somehow you justify your need for multiple IDs but everyone else is undermining the feedback system. Why shouldn't I take it as a personal attack? Oh, ye of little understanding should ask why people have multiple IDs rather than come to your totally inaccurate conclusions.
You still have not substantiated any of your notions so I will take that to mean that you shot from the lip without thinking anything through. Multiple IDs are far from the problem on eBay. Both buyers and sellers can be scammers and it only takes one ID if someone is determined to do wrong.
There are many valid reasons to have selling IDs, buying IDs and posting IDs. You admit yourself to starting a second ID for buying purposes (albeit for a reason that makes a mockery of the feedback system). I have buying IDs so that my competition cannot see what I purchase on eBay. If I see a particular good deal on something I may buy a wholesale lot to be sold individually. A buying ID protects my selling ID by not revealing my sources. I've already explained why it makes sense to have multiple selling IDs.
A posting ID has been shown to be very valid. Too many sellers and buyers have had their eBay activities targeted by those that disagree with the views they may express on the boards. Why is that a less valid reason than yours? You started a buying ID to have a separate id for most sales. This was to protect my ability to leave appropriate feedback when buying without damaging my selling rating. I would argue that your reasoning suggests that you only leave feedback when you feel some level of impunity. How is that doing justice to the feedback system?
By the way, it is not necessary to copy and paste my post. My original post is there for everyone to see and you only clutter the thread by doing so.
Bill treasure-pot
You said:
People engaged in less than enjoyable activity, are the main people that use many multiple ids.
It was a totally baseless statement. No credence whatsoever. Somehow you justify your need for multiple IDs but everyone else is undermining the feedback system. Why shouldn't I take it as a personal attack? Oh, ye of little understanding should ask why people have multiple IDs rather than come to your totally inaccurate conclusions.
You still have not substantiated any of your notions so I will take that to mean that you shot from the lip without thinking anything through. Multiple IDs are far from the problem on eBay. Both buyers and sellers can be scammers and it only takes one ID if someone is determined to do wrong.
There are many valid reasons to have selling IDs, buying IDs and posting IDs. You admit yourself to starting a second ID for buying purposes (albeit for a reason that makes a mockery of the feedback system). I have buying IDs so that my competition cannot see what I purchase on eBay. If I see a particular good deal on something I may buy a wholesale lot to be sold individually. A buying ID protects my selling ID by not revealing my sources. I've already explained why it makes sense to have multiple selling IDs.
A posting ID has been shown to be very valid. Too many sellers and buyers have had their eBay activities targeted by those that disagree with the views they may express on the boards. Why is that a less valid reason than yours? You started a buying ID to have a separate id for most sales. This was to protect my ability to leave appropriate feedback when buying without damaging my selling rating. I would argue that your reasoning suggests that you only leave feedback when you feel some level of impunity. How is that doing justice to the feedback system?
By the way, it is not necessary to copy and paste my post. My original post is there for everyone to see and you only clutter the thread by doing so.
Bill treasure-pot
toby, your statement regarding signups is not quite accurate.
Instead they made it even easier allowing sellers to sign up without a credit card, just a phone call to a residential phone.
Sellers cannot register without a credit card - buyers can.
I have no problem with the tightening of the registration process and have long been a proponent that all registrations should be backed with a credit card (look back to the early days of this particular board when several discussion on this topic occurred). This would go a long way to reducing the number of NPBs and buyers registered with false contact info. It has nothing to do with sellers as you suggested. Regardless, limiting the number of IDs is not the answer. Tightening the registration process is.
eBay has taken many steps to attempt to draw buyers to the site. Unfortunately, some of those steps included making the registration process for buyers easier - to the actual detriment of sellers. You only need to witness the absolute pandemonium that surrounded sales of PS3s this holiday season. Those buying IDs were created with the sole purpose of creating havoc for speculators.
I'll say it again - the problem is not with the number of IDs that eBay allows. The real problem exists with eBay's lack of a secure registration process that helps to assure sellers that buyers are legitimate.
Bill treasure-pot
Instead they made it even easier allowing sellers to sign up without a credit card, just a phone call to a residential phone.
Sellers cannot register without a credit card - buyers can.
I have no problem with the tightening of the registration process and have long been a proponent that all registrations should be backed with a credit card (look back to the early days of this particular board when several discussion on this topic occurred). This would go a long way to reducing the number of NPBs and buyers registered with false contact info. It has nothing to do with sellers as you suggested. Regardless, limiting the number of IDs is not the answer. Tightening the registration process is.
eBay has taken many steps to attempt to draw buyers to the site. Unfortunately, some of those steps included making the registration process for buyers easier - to the actual detriment of sellers. You only need to witness the absolute pandemonium that surrounded sales of PS3s this holiday season. Those buying IDs were created with the sole purpose of creating havoc for speculators.
I'll say it again - the problem is not with the number of IDs that eBay allows. The real problem exists with eBay's lack of a secure registration process that helps to assure sellers that buyers are legitimate.
Bill treasure-pot
Not correct Bill. eBay recently changed things to allow people to sell without a credit card. Only a phone confirmation as Toby stated. I don't know if it was a promo or permanent change though.
I got an email on it, since deleted, and I read it on the boards as well as some users thanking eBay for the changes.
I'm torn on the multiple ID's thing. There was a guy on the Selling on eBay board that was more than a nuisance and has been NARU'd twice yet came back a 3rd time with a new ID. He claims he has a seller ID with 100's of transactions under his belt which is yet another ID if it's true. That shouldn't be happening. There should be some way to connect these multiple IDs and if one gets NARU'd for misconduct then they all should or at the very least prevent the user from opening another one 2 minutes later.
I've always laughed when at eBay Live they tout the number of registered users they have. Um, ya, and how many of those are multiples Meg? LOL
I don't see a problem with having IDs to buy, sell, post but it depends entirely on what the user does with those IDs. Some people have multiple ID for selling different type of merchandise too. There's nothing wrong with that. But if one ID causes a problem that requires sanctioning of some sort then it should apply to all of them. Shill bidding, auction interference, harrassment, misconduct on the boards.
The eBay rules say that if suspended you shouldn't open a new ID but there is nothing to actually check or prevent it from happening. That's stupid.
Unless someone hijacks the ID but then that brings a whole other aspect to things. What if a husband/wife bf/gf break up and one knows the passwords of an ID? What if they go around causing problems, should all IDs be shut down because of the actions of a spiteful person? I don't know. I don't think so but there are so many variables to this. Maybe it's too complicated for eBay or to invasive that they do nothing except to the one offending ID. Who knows. *shrugs*
I got an email on it, since deleted, and I read it on the boards as well as some users thanking eBay for the changes.
I'm torn on the multiple ID's thing. There was a guy on the Selling on eBay board that was more than a nuisance and has been NARU'd twice yet came back a 3rd time with a new ID. He claims he has a seller ID with 100's of transactions under his belt which is yet another ID if it's true. That shouldn't be happening. There should be some way to connect these multiple IDs and if one gets NARU'd for misconduct then they all should or at the very least prevent the user from opening another one 2 minutes later.
I've always laughed when at eBay Live they tout the number of registered users they have. Um, ya, and how many of those are multiples Meg? LOL
I don't see a problem with having IDs to buy, sell, post but it depends entirely on what the user does with those IDs. Some people have multiple ID for selling different type of merchandise too. There's nothing wrong with that. But if one ID causes a problem that requires sanctioning of some sort then it should apply to all of them. Shill bidding, auction interference, harrassment, misconduct on the boards.
The eBay rules say that if suspended you shouldn't open a new ID but there is nothing to actually check or prevent it from happening. That's stupid.
Unless someone hijacks the ID but then that brings a whole other aspect to things. What if a husband/wife bf/gf break up and one knows the passwords of an ID? What if they go around causing problems, should all IDs be shut down because of the actions of a spiteful person? I don't know. I don't think so but there are so many variables to this. Maybe it's too complicated for eBay or to invasive that they do nothing except to the one offending ID. Who knows. *shrugs*
Debbi, as you are probably aware, version 2.0 of the Basics of Selling student manual was just released (Dec 2006) in Canada. From page 2-5 regarding "Adding a Seller's Account":
You need two things to set up a seller's account: an eBay user ID and password and a credit card.
However, I just checked now and from the help pages I find the following:
To help provide a safe environment for the eBay community, you need to provide a credit or debit card to create a seller’s account or verify your identity by phone.
There certainly appears to have been a very recent change in this or else there is some amount of ambiguity. I am going to dig a little deeper to ensure that I have the correct info.
We have all been around eBay long enough to encounter a few who have abused the system. Making wholesale changes for the few bad apples doesn't make a lot of sense. Limiting the number of IDs seems to me to be similar to plugging holes in the dike with your fingers. Once you get to ten, then what do you do? It makes more sense to attack the source of the problem than try to come up with more fingers. Make the registration process tougher and it doesn't matter how many IDs people have.
Honestly, who cares what eBay says the numbers are? Even if everyone was reduced to a single ID the numbers would still be inflated to suit eBay's purpose. Thats what the marketing people do for a living.
OP, I can read what you initially said. You said:
People engaged in less than enjoyable activity, are the main people that use many multiple ids.
Sorry if I confused that with a whitewash. It certainly appeared that you were suggesting that the majority that have multiple IDs were the problem. You still have not made any effort to substantiate this claim. Where do you get your data? Your limited experience does not make it so.
I'm willing to bet that the majority of Powersellers have multiple IDs. You are not suggesting that (shudder) the majority of Powersellers are fraudsters, are you?
For this eBayer, multiple IDs are a part of making profit on eBay. You are wrong to suggest that you must have multiple IDs to be a fraudster. You only need one.
Bill treasure-pot
You need two things to set up a seller's account: an eBay user ID and password and a credit card.
However, I just checked now and from the help pages I find the following:
To help provide a safe environment for the eBay community, you need to provide a credit or debit card to create a seller’s account or verify your identity by phone.
There certainly appears to have been a very recent change in this or else there is some amount of ambiguity. I am going to dig a little deeper to ensure that I have the correct info.
We have all been around eBay long enough to encounter a few who have abused the system. Making wholesale changes for the few bad apples doesn't make a lot of sense. Limiting the number of IDs seems to me to be similar to plugging holes in the dike with your fingers. Once you get to ten, then what do you do? It makes more sense to attack the source of the problem than try to come up with more fingers. Make the registration process tougher and it doesn't matter how many IDs people have.
Honestly, who cares what eBay says the numbers are? Even if everyone was reduced to a single ID the numbers would still be inflated to suit eBay's purpose. Thats what the marketing people do for a living.
OP, I can read what you initially said. You said:
People engaged in less than enjoyable activity, are the main people that use many multiple ids.
Sorry if I confused that with a whitewash. It certainly appeared that you were suggesting that the majority that have multiple IDs were the problem. You still have not made any effort to substantiate this claim. Where do you get your data? Your limited experience does not make it so.
I'm willing to bet that the majority of Powersellers have multiple IDs. You are not suggesting that (shudder) the majority of Powersellers are fraudsters, are you?
For this eBayer, multiple IDs are a part of making profit on eBay. You are wrong to suggest that you must have multiple IDs to be a fraudster. You only need one.
Bill treasure-pot
OP, if you have more than one ID you have multiple IDs. You can try to colour it any way you want. You can blame whoever you want.
Maybe you need to run into a few of these bad guys and maybe you will change your tune.
Oh, pleeez... I've been around long enough. I have well over 10,000 transactions on eBay (buying and selling). The fact that I encounter few bad apples is a testament to my ability to use the tools that eBay already provides to sniff out the crooks before I enter into business dealings with them. Maybe you need to investigate some of those tools and practice some common sense rather than blaming the system.
Its pretty cheap to open ten ebay ids, make a bunch of false sales on 1000.00 items, by filing npv after each fake sale, and then start selling complete garbadge for 1000.00 clear profit per victim.
Well if you can't spot the type of scammers that you have described, you really need a lot more help than the removal of the ability for people to have multiple IDs. If you are going to start willy-nilly sending $1000 to someone without thouroughly investigating the feedback that seller has received (or given), you need to consider buying somewhere else than on eBay.
Bill treasure-pot
Maybe you need to run into a few of these bad guys and maybe you will change your tune.
Oh, pleeez... I've been around long enough. I have well over 10,000 transactions on eBay (buying and selling). The fact that I encounter few bad apples is a testament to my ability to use the tools that eBay already provides to sniff out the crooks before I enter into business dealings with them. Maybe you need to investigate some of those tools and practice some common sense rather than blaming the system.
Its pretty cheap to open ten ebay ids, make a bunch of false sales on 1000.00 items, by filing npv after each fake sale, and then start selling complete garbadge for 1000.00 clear profit per victim.
Well if you can't spot the type of scammers that you have described, you really need a lot more help than the removal of the ability for people to have multiple IDs. If you are going to start willy-nilly sending $1000 to someone without thouroughly investigating the feedback that seller has received (or given), you need to consider buying somewhere else than on eBay.
Bill treasure-pot
I don't even know why they release book forms of the Education Specialist books. By the time the ES gets them, they're at least 6 months behind. eBay is very fluid and the print version simply can't keep up. They should do what Apple does with iTunes.
Have the latest, most current version online for users to download and use instead of wasting money on printing them and us having to buy them. Foolish in my opinion.
I don't like the idea of having only one ID. I've read about sellers getting harrassed because they bought something with their selling ID. They later sold that item with the same ID. Their customer saw what the seller initially paid for the item and got really PO'd. A separate buying and selling ID would prevent that from happening.
I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple IDs. The problem lies in how the person uses those IDs. If they only have them to create problems or trouble for others then it's a problem. In general though, I don't think it's a problem.
I do think though that if an ID is NARU'd then eBay should look into all accounts by that user. But then again would someone be so foolish as to set up an account just to cause trouble and use their real name and info to do so? Somehow I don't think so.
Have the latest, most current version online for users to download and use instead of wasting money on printing them and us having to buy them. Foolish in my opinion.
I don't like the idea of having only one ID. I've read about sellers getting harrassed because they bought something with their selling ID. They later sold that item with the same ID. Their customer saw what the seller initially paid for the item and got really PO'd. A separate buying and selling ID would prevent that from happening.
I don't think there's anything wrong with having multiple IDs. The problem lies in how the person uses those IDs. If they only have them to create problems or trouble for others then it's a problem. In general though, I don't think it's a problem.
I do think though that if an ID is NARU'd then eBay should look into all accounts by that user. But then again would someone be so foolish as to set up an account just to cause trouble and use their real name and info to do so? Somehow I don't think so.
I been to the colleges and universities, and have 20 years management experience from the biggest retail giant in Canada.
Just curious...What exactly did you do for Canadian Tire for 20 years? "Management Experience" at the store level or HO?
Monique
Just curious...What exactly did you do for Canadian Tire for 20 years? "Management Experience" at the store level or HO?
Monique
