Best way to sell to both Canadians and US
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12-28-2009 07:05 AM
I had a question. What is the best way to sell to both Canadians and US?
Is it by making two seperate listings? 1) For Canadians, list on ebay.ca in Canadian Dollars and charge taxes ,, 2) For US, list on ebay.com in USD and no need to charge taxes?
By listing on ebay.ca do we lose the Canadians that shop on ebay.com and not .ca ?
What do you guys do? Thanks in advance.
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12-28-2009 07:32 AM
1) Drop the ""Item is marked as gift when sent". It is illegal. Learn from eBay how to sell internationally at this http://pages.ebay.com/sellerinformation/growing/international/sellingtips.html
2) Indicate clearly where the products are shipped from (City). Using "Canada, Canada" implies you are trying to hide where you are shipping from.
3) Clearly state tax responsibilities in your listings. Are you registered with GST/HST? If you, you have the choice to absorb the taxes or charge the appropriate percentage 5% or 13% to your buyers. In fairness, that should be indicated in your listings. If you are not registered with GST/HST, it is illegal for you to charge the tax. Are you registered for PST in your province? (by law you should be except Alberta).
4) Your shipping information to Canada states "varies for items shipped from an international location" with a US$15 shipping charge within Canada without indication of the service provided. As a buyer, it implies you are less than candid about where you are shipping from and how you are shipping. This may explain your 4.6 DSR for shipping charge. Also, US$15 seems to be on the high side for shipment within Canada for a small and light package (watch).
"What do you guys do?"
If you check what other Canadian PowerSellers are doing, you will find most avoid the four points I raised above.

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12-28-2009 09:08 AM
Some do. How many do is a question.
You MUST show shipping options for both Canada and the US to enable the system to show your items in both countries.
Beyond that, it depends on what you sell. A commonplace item selling from Canada may be undesirable in the US because of the increased shipping costs and the delays caused by Customs. A rare item may be sought by people from all over the world, and you may get requests from people outside the US to be allowed to buy.
For myself, I make one listing and sell worldwide.
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. Carl Sagan
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01-08-2010 11:02 PM
No. This is wrong information. You only have to list shipping costs for the domestic market on the site you're listing on.
If you list on .com you must have shipping for folks in the US. You don't have to have shipping costs listed for the listing to show up to Canadians or anyone else. If you show that you'll ship to Canada it will show up there whether or not you have shipping costs posted for Canadians.
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01-10-2010 09:39 AM
?????
The WAY you show that you'll ship to Canada or anywhere else is to fill out the shipping section for Canada or anywhere else.
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. Carl Sagan
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01-10-2010 01:21 PM
Go look at my listings. I don't have shipping costs posted to Canadians for all my listings. Some are too large and pricey that I have to ship inside Canada with Canada Post. I need their postal code to calculate shipping costs with CP for them. I list on .com and can't use the USPS and Canada Post calculator in the same listing. You know that, or at least you should know that.
I show in my ship to locations that I ship to Canada but do not have costs to Canada for every item. I won't ship some of the expensive items from the US because the value is higher than $20.
It's been like this for many years. The only change that eBay made was that you had to post a shipping cost for the domestic market of the site you listed on. .com is the US, .ca is Canada etc.
You do NOT have to have a shipping cost posted for every country you say you'll ship to in order for your listing to show up in that country's site.
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01-10-2010 01:25 PM
You have to fill out WHERE you ship to but you don't have to fill out the costs for every country that you ship to..just the domestic costs.
There are two different areas...that's what Jakee is referring to.
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01-10-2010 01:26 PM
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01-10-2010 01:39 PM
I'm glad somebody understood. Sheesh.
For someone who claims to know so much about eBay they sure don't read like it.
I didn't think it was rocket science and you'd think anyone who's listed on eBay would understand the difference between ship to and shipping costs for the various ship to locations.
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01-10-2010 04:25 PM
I would have no reason to mark a location as shipped to without putting a price in, as my items aren't bulky.
Still, it's a neat trick to remember for the future.
Imagination will often carry us to worlds that never were. But without it we go nowhere. Carl Sagan
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01-10-2010 06:05 PM
It's not new. It's always been this way. Before eBay mandated we put in shipping costs you could say your item was available anywhere and not have a shipping cost posted for them and they could see it.
How can you possibly claim to know so much about eBay and not know that? It's been like that for years. Heck from the beginning of eBay you could do that so what does that say about your supposed eBay knowledge?
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01-11-2010 09:51 AM
I have a question, I am in Quebec and I will start selling under a registered company.. When I sell to Canadian residents not residing in Quebec, should I charge 5% or 12.88% ? And if I only need to charge 5%, how do I charge the 12.88% to only Quebec residents?
I dont need to charge taxes to US residents right?
Thanks for the help guys, I appreciate it lots!!
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01-11-2010 02:55 PM
Effective July 1st 2010, you will need to remit 13% HST for sales of taxable goods made to Ontario and 12% HST to BC.
From July 1st (subject to further changes) only PE, MB, SK and AB will be subject to 5% GST in addition to the Territories.
I most strongly suggest you contact a competent accountant, experienced in mail order, to guide you and help you set up your accounting systems properly.
Sales outside Canada are zero rated (0%).

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01-11-2010 03:13 PM
How does one filter through a list of accountants to find a competent one experienced in mail order and how are their fees based - flat rate or based on my sales figures?
If you've already discussed this before, could you direct me to the proper thread? Thanx
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01-11-2010 03:20 PM
A quick phone call.
Most individual accountants are NOT experienced in GST/HST. Many handle retail clients with point-of-sale GST - no HST involved. Large firms will most likely have a GST/HST experienced accountant on staff but the fees may be higher than you need or wish to pay.
Accountants typically charge by the hour at first until you have a relationship with them and can offer an annual fee for their services.

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01-11-2010 03:23 PM
Personally, I would avoid the first ten names on the list as they paid extra to be listed on top of the list and their fees will reflect their advertising costs.

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01-13-2010 10:26 PM
I am also in Quebec and have asked myself that same question many times before. I have run ad-commerce ads where you can tailor where you want your ads to show up. Every time someone runs a search on the category/area you chose to place the ad an "impression" is recorded. This is not the same as someone clicking on the ad. It only shows when someone ran a search in your area and when your ad showed up. I know for a fact that I was doing the biggest volume of crochet patterns within Canada when I did those ads. On .ca I am pretty confident that my ads showed up all (if not most of the time) someone ran a search on my category. I also ran the same ads on .com and had more people competing with me. The number of impressions I got on the .com site were 100's of times more frequent than on .ca so that issue for me is a closed one. I now know that the vast majority of my target market searches on .com and not on .ca. Now that said, there have been a lot of people with success on .ca. I think it would depend on what you are selling. The best way for you to know for sure is to run some experiments but be very careful as every thing is relative to a multitude of factors.
Ok next point. Pierre, I am a bit confused with your statement where charging PST is mandatory in all Province but AB. It has always been my belief that it is only mandatory, like the GST, after one has made over $30000 in sales (and this includes what we charge for S & H).
I spoke to a Revenue Quebec employee today (in Quebec the provincial government collects both the GST and PST) because I am in the process of getting my paperwork done for 2009. I was told that I have to charge the following:
GOODS:
OUTSIDE OF CANADA: NO TAXES
WITHIN CANADA:
To QUE - 5% GST on all items, 7.5% GST on all items sold to Quebec (except in my case, used books and books with an ISBN#)
To NB, NS, NFLD, and PEI - 13% HST only (you may be right about PEI but that's what the agent told me)
To ALL OTHER PROVINCES - 5% GST on all items
I was also told about the upcoming HST in Ontario but not the changes in BC (which I did read elsewhere about)
S & H:
This seems to be a bit of a gray area but this is what I was told:
Charge both GST and PST on shipping and handling irregardless of where the item is going to within Canada because the postage from Quebec is GST and PST taxable. If I am claiming GST and PST on my shipping supplies and from my Canada Post receipts then it should also be included in shipping and handling.
Like many Canadian sellers, I do not invoice my buyers the taxes. I decided to simply pay them on their behalf and am thus absorbing the costs. The only taxes I pass onto my Canadian customers are those I pay on shipping and handling. I also put two address labels with messages on all my invoices for Canadian bidders. Each states the following:
#1) WANT TO KNOW HOW SHIPPING IS CALCULATED?
"Extra shipping costs include GST & PST and may include a portion of other expenses directly related to shipping your package. Please see my “About Me” page for complete details. "
(and I have to update that page to reflect the new increases)
#2) "WE PAY THE GST!
As of February 2009, the Federal government required that we collect GST from our Canadian customers but we are paying it on your behalf with the exception of the shipping portion. If you require our GST info, please let us know."
Why do I do this? Research showed me that it was Canadian bidders that were hurting my DSR's for shipping costs. Did it work in curbing low DSR's from Canadians? Yes
Anyhow I went through the process of recording my Canadian sales (It takes some organizing but the paypal downloads pretty much have all the info you need to figure it out including the shipping charges so you can figure out what taxes were included in each transaction) and have to submit a whopping $60 of GST and PST for 2009. I haven't done my expenses yet but know I paid way more than that plus we did a huge office reno this year (I share an office with my DH) and will have a lot of money coming back to me.
I think it's work to get started but it is definately in our best interest to get registered seeing that many of our expenses are incurred within Canada yet, most of our business is made outside of Canada.
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01-13-2010 10:39 PM
Stated: Usually takes 6-10 business days, NOT INCLUDING CUSTOMS DELAYS
BUT you should protect yourself and make the shipping time more clear. This is what I state:
"All items are shipped via AIRMAIL (unless offered otherwise) and are mailed within 2 business days (Mon-Fri) of receipt of cleared payment. This item is coming from Canada and may be held for inspection by your customs department. While most airmailed items arrive within 1-2 weeks, please allow up to 3 weeks for delivery from the date of shipment"
If you did ship within the amount of time you stated, the date of shipment should be on the package label. If it was indeed a case of slow shipment on behalf of the postal service/US customs, you may want to let the buyer know this and ask if they would be willing to revise the negative feedback. Whenever doing so, you must refrain from criticizing the buyer (be it outright or implied). Simply thank them for their business, apologize for the confusion, state the facts and ask them if they would be willing to retract seeing that the delay was out of your control. Then send them a request through ebay to revise the feedback.
HTH!
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01-14-2010 07:37 AM
... except for Quebec of course. There the GST is managed by Revenue Quebec and is somehow incorporated with TVQ where registration is compulsary at the $30,000 level (like the GST for the rest of Canada)
In most other provinces, like Ontario, the current laws require to obtain a Vendor Permit and collect/remit PST on ALL sales of taxable products made within the province (from the FIRST dollar). There is no minimum.
The rules will change on July 1st as Ontario and BC go the HST way. I understand the $30,000 requirement will then take effect and Vendor Permits eliminated.
In any case, most eBay sellers would benefit financially (through Input Tax Credits) from registration with GST/HST even for sales level as low as $5,000 if a substantial portion of their sales is shipped outside Canada.

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01-14-2010 10:27 AM
