03-15-2013 12:04 PM
I really go the extra mile when I sell something on eBay - I gift wrap all my items, I started a Gift-With-Purchase program and I include other extra gifts like genuine astronaut souvenirs of when my brother went into space. I do all these things so the buyer remembers me, and files positive feedback. It is very frustrating to me that even though I include a Thank You card with my item giving item number and my seller name etc, and politely requesting feedback, about half or more of my buyers do not file feedback. This is even after they have emailed me and said they loved their item. It is also even after I've sent, every two or three weeks, a polite friendly email asking for feedback and saying I will do the same for them. I want to get as high a positive feedback number as I can get because I'm very ill and selling everything I own before it is too late. I spend the money to buy nice gift wrap and ribbons. I can't imagine that some people have a negative reaction to the souvenirs of my brother - about half of my buyers say they found it really neat. I just can't understand why a lot of people don't file feedback - for example about half of my February sales did not file feedback even though some of them sent me emails saying they loved their item. Does anyone have any suggestions for me? And also on how to get more sales? I'm alone, and really trying hard here. Thanks.
03-15-2013 12:11 PM
" It is very frustrating to me"
????
Where is the problem?
Typically, 70%-80% of transactions result in feedback being left by the buyer and seller.
Since you joined eBay fourteen years ago, you have received 778 feedback while leaving only 759.
I noticed that you wait for the buyer to leave feedback to reciprocate. That is THE problem.
Most sellers leave feedback immediate upon receipt of payment. With luck 70% to 80% of buyers will reciprocate.
"a polite friendly email asking for feedback and saying I will do the same for them'
Bad idea. One should not chase feedback, more so when yoiu have not yet left it for the buyer.
03-15-2013 12:17 PM
By the way, I took a look at one of your recently completed listing 160948103379.
My conclusion: way too many words.
The purpose of the description section in a listing is to sell the product and the service, not to write an essay on mail order business.
KISS - it works.
03-15-2013 12:51 PM
Hi 'tigergirl' - My view is that FB and the way it's handled by both parties may differ depending on the type of item you're selling, and to whom/where. At least from my perspective there has definitely been a downward change in buyers' willingness to leave FB over the past year or so, and most especially in the last few months. It's been terrible since January. I used to get Pierre's ca. 70% FB from buyers -- that has significantly dropped lately. Now I'm happy if half of them bother.
I sell items in some similar categories to yours. Taken as a whole, over 90% of my buyers are in the U.S. I get the occasional European/Aussie sale and once-in-a while Canadian. For some reason, these latter two groups seem to be far better at leaving FB regularly than the Americans. Is it perhaps that many buyers are using mobile phones to buy off eBay now, and not bothering to go back to leave FB, or is it just our harried, rushed world generally - like people can't be bothered with many other courtesies and follow-through these days? Is it an influx of newbies who don't understand the eBay system and don't care to "participate" in the community as long as they get their stuff?
I really don't know, but I do sympathize with you! Yes, it can be frustrating, especially when you sell rather nice, expensive items, packed beautifully, with a personal note, etc. (all of which I do), and then time after time after time get no FB. This, as I said, has been a downward trend from my personal experience lately. Like you, unlike Pierre, I do not immediately leave FB for customers. My feeling is that I want to know the transaction is completely concluded and that there are no issues before I do. However, I often ship using tracking, and can check to see when an item has been received, so I will sometimes leave FB first after about 20 days if the buyer hasn't done so. Occasionally, seeing their own number jump up by one will prompt a FB response, but not always.
Pierre is quite right though - there's no use chasing FB, and doing so could backfire on you. You can try, as Pierre suggests, leaving FB first for every transaction for a while, and see if that makes a difference. I've resisted doing that again (I used to, and found it made very little difference, but perhaps it will now. Besides, seller FB is so restrictive now that it's basically a bit of a farce anyway, so one could take the position that it really doesn't matter anymore when you leave it). I know some sellers look at the sales transaction differently than I do, and feel once the money has changed hands, the buyer has fulfilled all his/her obligations -- or have they? You could argue that FB is a buyer's obligation as part of the eBay community. Now I'm getting too philosophical again, sorry...
I wish you the best!
03-15-2013 01:10 PM
Not to put too fine a point on it, I just checked my "Sold" list, and out of 33 sales since the end of December, 13 have left FB -- less than 40%. Last year it was closer to 90%, and I've actually expanded my item categories. I can't help feeling things have changed with buyers on eBay.
For what it's worth, I do have to agree with Pierre on the text in your listings -- use the space to sell the product more than describe postal details, etc. Maybe consider creating a "boilerplate" paragraph for Terms of Sale/Shipping info that is not too large or colourful a font and that you can put in the bottom of each listing, where it's separate from your item description.
I might suggest using fewer bright, bold colours in large typefaces, or using them judiciously to highlight something really important. Just my first thought when I checked one of your listings. But I have to say, I'm not sure you can just apply KISS everywhere, to everything, besides, that moniker does have unpleasant, sarcastic political overtones stuck to it. "KIPP" might be better??? ( "Keep it Pretty Please") :-x
03-15-2013 01:26 PM
In ebay's world feedback can only hurt. I hope less will leave it. No advatntage at all to get more.
03-15-2013 01:32 PM
" "KIPP" might be better???"
OK - How about KISPP ?
Keep It Simple Pretty Please. 🙂
Simple being the key word here.
03-15-2013 02:49 PM
Thanks to those who replied so far. I was hurt by Pierre's comments, but I am a sensitive person. Rose-dee, I used to file feedback right away as soon as I was paid. What I found was that then I never got feedback, the buyers being happy with their item and the feedback I left for me. So I decided I would not leave feedback until I received feedback. Regarding the verbiage in my listings, I found that buyers would never read my Terms and Conditions or other separate pages giving details. As a matter of fact, almost half of buyers seem not to read my entire listing - now I supposed someone will jump on me and say that is because I have too many words, but I found that without all the detail I now put in my listings, I was getting too many questions about postage, etc. etc. that I had given details for in a separate page but no one was reading it. So I found the only way is to include it in each of my listings. I've looked at a lot of other eBay seller's listings and at the bottom, they also put all sorts of words about Terms and Conditions, Shipping, Returns, etc.
I could now remove my text about free shipping, I guess, because as it is now, there is no more Small Packet Surface and, as I was afraid of, the Tracked Packet is more expensive than Small Packet Air. If I put too high a postage price in my listing, people don't buy or don't like it. If I try and put half the postage in the postage section and the rest included in the item price, people don't like that either. I don't know what is the best way to show/post the postage.
I have put Terms and Shipping info etc in the bottom of my listing, but I don't know how to make a "box" for it or make it pretty. Really, I assure you, though, that when I had my listings down to just key item details, all sorts of things would go wrong because buyers just wouldn't read those details elsewhere in my eBay store. I notice also, that in my store home page, I have two boxes at the top that describe Gift With Purchase etc., and these two boxes do not appear in my listings. I'm not sure how many people actually go to my store Home Page and read it. I would like to get subscribers to my store, but don't know how to do that either.
Not trying to cry "poor me" here, but I really am trying hard, and live in a small town, in a wheelchair, and basically my only resource is my computer. It is only today that I suddenly thought to post on an eBay Forum. I tried to post very carefully to avoid any type of mean criticism etc.
03-15-2013 04:20 PM
It is also even after I've sent, every two or three weeks, a polite friendly email asking for feedback and saying I will do the same for them.
I agree with Pierre on this. Don’t ask for feedback. You might get it.
As a seller, feedback is good for egoboo, but Detailed Seller Ratings are necessary if you want to keep selling and get your TRS discounts.
This is not personal, it is business.
Frankly, if the gift wrapping and personal notes are not mentioned as an incentive in your listing, and are not getting you repeat business, you should not be wasting your time, and limited energy on them. Actually if they are not getting you higher prices than your competitors and repeat customers, you should not be wasting your energy.
Is it perhaps that many buyers are using mobile phones to buy off eBay now, and not bothering to go back to leave FB,
I would not have thought of that, but looking around my workplace, all the kids have those smartphones—and anyone under 50 is a kid to me.
What I found was that then I never got feedback, the buyers being happy with their item and the feedback I left for me. So I decided I would not leave feedback until I received feedback.
So what? You leave feedback to make the customer feel good and to give useful information. My normal FB is left when the parcel is prepared for shipping and goes “Thank you for your prompt payment. Shipped Canada Post 15/3/2013 Air Mail.” Since eBay will fill in the comment after “Than…” all I have to do is correct the date.
Again, it’s not personal. It’s business.
BTW- and this is meant kindly- you have a bunch of negative, unenforceable or downright incorrect terms in your listings.
The ones I noticed at a glance were:
3) Insurance is NOT included for items sent by free shipping. Any expensive, large and/or valuable items will NOT go by free shipping, but will be sent by insured mail.
You tell the customer the shipping method on the Shipping Fee page. Not in the listing. If you don’t offer Free Shipping no FS icon will appear and the Shipping Fee will.
6) We cannot assume liability (NO liability) for any lost or damaged shipments unless insured postage has been purchased.
Canada Post does not offer any choice in insurance. It’s either there or not. (This is different than USPS.) In any case, common law has it that the seller takes responsibility for the safe arrival of a sold item, even when it is shipped by a sub-contactor like Canada Post. (Canada Post is responsible to you.)
7) Free shipping is NOT OFFERED for large bulky items.
Don’t put the FS icon on the listing if you are not offering FS.
😎 Free shipping is NOT OFFERED for valuable items needing insurance.
Don’t put the FS icon on the listing if you are not offering FS.
I've estimated postage to an average city. Please note that out of the total paid to me by the buyer, I pay postage, plus the new eBay sales commission on the postage, plus the regular eBay and PayPal commissions of around 15% or more, and I'd like to have a little bit left at the end.
KISS. Use Calculated Shipping. For the rest, your customer does not care.
According to eBay/PayPal rules, I must send packages by a more expensive method that has Customs papers filled out.
Paypal? You are supposed to use the customs label on any item you sell for export. And it’s federal law not a PP rule.
Canada Post only offers letter mail or Expedited mail within Canada (letter mail is cheap but is only for paper items and Expedited Mail is for everything else but costs more (about $11 even for a tiny parcel) which I think is ridiculous but there is nothing I can do about it.).
Er, no. Regular Parcel is still insured and Delivery Confirmed and very slightly cheaper at the PO counter than Expedited. Expedited is cheaper when printed out through PP.
FOR PAID POSTAGE, IF POSTAGE IS MORE than what you paid, I'll EMAIL YOU WITH BALANCE owing and different postage choices.
EEK! You are not allowed to charge your customers a penny more for shipping than you advertise. Again, use Calculated Shipping.
I’m a member of the Disabled Online Users Association (DOUA). God Bless.
My usual reaction to claims of disability, motherhood, religious affiliation or love of small fluffy animals is “scammer—back button”. You are a professional. Sell like one. (Yes, I am a mean nasty person.)
I answer most e-mails the same day, and mail out parcels almost daily, however due to illness and disability sometimes I can't, and I don't feel this deserves a bad strike in Shipping.
o I don't feel that things out of my hands, like shipping delivery time, deserves a bad strike in Postage.
Your customers don’t care.
If you choose no insurance, I’m not responsible for refunding the cost of lost or damaged items.
Yes, you are.
I recommend Designer and luxury items be sent by insured mail with a tracking number, which may cost a bit more than the postage shown in the listing.
Use Calculated Shipping.
The cost of Postage depends on many factors - buyer address, size/weight of box, insured or not, air or surface, etc.
Well, yeah. Irrelevant. Use Calculated Shipping.
I'm a friendly, honest seller (see my feedbacks). It is possible to go from Riches to Rags, I was attacked at work and am now disabled and ill. It just takes one serious assault, injury or illness to change one's life forever. You're welcome to read my eBay About Me Page.
Those customers who care will think you are a scammer fishing for sympathy. (See mean nasty person above.)
To ensure I’m selling top quality, undamaged items, ALL SALES ARE FINAL.
If you take PP you take returns.
03-15-2013 05:16 PM
"I was hurt by Pierre's comments"
There was no intention to hurt.
I have always called it as I see it. The intention is to help. Sometimes it means telling folks things they do not want to hear. Sorry about that but I stand by every word in my earlier posts but will replace KISS by KISPP. 🙂 .
03-15-2013 06:59 PM
Hi, My understanding was not that Feedback was good for an ego boost, but that feedback made the feedback numbers go up, and that is what buyers look at most when deciding to buy. That has been my experience also - that as my feedback numbers got higher, I sold more items. Buyers don't seem to know anything about Detailed Seller Ratings or where to find them.
Regarding your other comments, thanks for the constructive criticism. I've rewritten my entire text below the item details (my item details have to be long because when selling garments, etc. there are many details the buyers want, like item length, arm length, bust measurement, waist, hip, fabric etc. etc.).
Buyers also send a lot of comments/questions/complaints about how expensive Canada Post is, even though I obtain the cheapest postage rate for a properly wrapped parcel. This is why I include words trying to explain this.
Here are my new, much reduced words:
All my items are gift wrapped, and include small genuine astronaut souvenirs of my brother's trips into space.
Postage:
1) Within Canada, affordable choices are Letter Mail, Regular Parcel or Expedited Mail.... letter mail is cheap but is only for paper items. I have a discount card that gives me Expedited Mail for the same price as Regular Parcel. Parcel or Expedited are for everything else that is not paper, but costs more (about $11 even for a letter size parcel).
2) Canada Post is more expensive than America's USPS postal service.
3) Please don't forget I'm in Canada, not the U.S.A., so packages have to go through US Customs and Homeland Security which takes some time. Your package may take from 5 days up to 24 business days depending on delays, if any, at the border, airlines or due to weather.
4) IF POSTAGE IS LESS than what you paid, I'll REFUND to you on Paypal.
COLOURS:
Exact colour match between the item listed and my photograph is not guaranteed due to variations in photo lighting, cameras and your monitor settings.
MULTIPLE PURCHASE SAVINGS:
If you buy more than one item, you will save on shipping and I can offer you lower prices on the items as well (some exceptions apply).
PLEASE TELL EVERYONE YOU KNOW, including JOURNALISTS about my eBay store "A VINTAGE COLLECTIBLE".
DESIGNER ITEMS:
My items are genuine and were bought by me for my own use, were fully paid for, and were bought in reputable stores or the designer's boutiques (i.e. Chanel, Gucci, Prada, etc.).
SHIPPING INFORMATION:
o For postage by ship Internationally, it will take longer to arrive than by air.
o Please don't expect your item to arrive only a few days after buying it before major holidays or during major weather delays.
TESTIMONIALS:
I'm going to leave these in, because when eBay offered the eBay help to sellers program, (which they don't anymore), the rep. told me the testimonials are good to have.
NOTES:
o I'm a friendly, honest seller (see my feedbacks). You're welcome to read my eBay About Me Page.
o In most cases my items have the store and price hang tags on, and/or are in the original boxes, my items are NEW and UNUSED. My items are in my non-smoking, child-free clean dry uncluttered home and are stored in bags in humidity-free clean closets and drawers or dust-free rubber boxes. Garments are kept in new plastic or cloth garment bags and in some cases in cedar closets.
o Photos and descriptions are of actual items I’m selling, not catalog shots.
o ASK if you have questions. I’m happy to answer.
03-15-2013 07:08 PM
Hi Pierre, Thanks for your explanation. I have now reduced the words to put in my listings, after reading what femmefan1946 and you said. Kathy
03-15-2013 07:17 PM
"Within Canada, .... letter mail is cheap but is only for paper items. "
That is incorrect. You can mail whatever you want as long as the envelope or package does not exceed 500g in weight and measurements of 380mm x 270mm x 20mm (20mm or about 3/4 inch is the most important measurement).
"All my items are gift wrapped, and include small genuine astronaut souvenirs of my brother's trips into space."
Personally, I would not mention that in the description. If you want to send your time and money to gift wrap your items, at no extra cost to the buyers, while a few may appreciate it I suspect most people buy for themselves and may feel their money was wasted on gift wrapping that was not needed.
Once again, I personally feel you use too many words. The description should sell the items, not the terms.
I also noticed in your listings:
"Will usually ship within 10 business days of receiving cleared payment"
10 business days = 2 weeks! That will not help you get sales. Since you sell stuff onm hand, there is no reason not to ship within one (preferably) or three (at most) business days. Sellers asking more than one business day are disadvantaged in Best Match (basic search on eBay).
Good Luck.
03-15-2013 07:19 PM
" letter mail is cheap but is only for paper items"
That restriction only applies for shipments leaving Canada.
03-15-2013 07:25 PM
Hi, My post office constantly insists that inside a letter it has to be paper only, i. e. to send letter mail, the contents have to be paper only. Maybe they are wrong??? All I know is that they ask me what is in the envelope and if I say a small necklace, or an astronaut patch, they say that is not paper and so it has to go Regular Parcel, or Expedited (and I have a discount card for Expedited). Is it printed somewhere that things other than paper can go letter? That would save me a lot of money.
Re. the gift wrapping, I was going by the suggestion that femmefan made, I didn't mention it in my listing, so I was thinking of now (now not "not") mentioning it.
Re. too many words - you would not believe how many questions and issues I get (often completely stupid) if I keep my description to only the item and not the terms. It caused me all sorts of grief, and I find that adding words helps.
Re. shipping within 10 business days - you forget I'm in a wheel chair and I have to wait for a special taxi to go to the post office. Some days I can't walk at all and therefore cannot wrap things. eBay doesn't seem to have a special category for disabled sellers, and I don't necessarily want one. I'm not trying to cry poor me, but I do want to explain to buyers why I can't just rush out the same day or the next and mail things. The post office is not down the street, it is some distance away.
Thanks.
03-15-2013 07:28 PM
"after reading what femmefan1946 and you said...."
What I wrote is not really important since I most likely do not buy your type of items. You have to look at it from the buyer's perspective.
Most buyers come here to buy, not to read a book. With a growing number of buyers and potential buyers using their smart phone instead of a computer to search and browse on eBay, there is very little information you can actually put on those telephone screen. KISPP.
Walk away for a few hours. Clear your head.
Come back tomorrow and take a look at what your competitors do in your categories. Check those with a high feedback rating, the professional sellers. Try to get a feel for what they sell, how they sell. Yes you will see a few who write long paragraphs full of terms and conditions and those who keep it "sweet and short". As a buyer, what would attract you? Ask friends and family members the same question (looking at your competitors, not your listings).
Good Luck.
03-15-2013 07:35 PM
"My post office constantly insists that inside a letter it has to be paper only"
The clerk is wrong. Period. Ask to speak to the supervisor or manager. Or call Canada Post 800 line to complain.
There is no restriction to "paper" or "documents" for lettermail within Canada other than weight and measurements.
"you forget I'm in a wheel chair"
I had not forgotten. However, you cannot wait two weeks to mail your buyers stuff purchased and paid. You should be able to make arrangements with someone to mail your parcels at least weekly, preferably twice a week.
And the delay may also explain why your are not receiving that much positive feedback. Folks buying online generally understand delays within the postal systems and Customs (if applicable) but they all expect quick shipment from the seller.
03-15-2013 07:36 PM
Here is another question I have - do sellers add the eBay fees/commission to their item price, or to the postage cost? If added to the item price, it makes the price higher, if added to the postage it makes the postage expensive. I had a buyer tell me one time that they didn't realize the eBay fee was added into the item price. But where else is a seller to put it? I'm quite sure that most sellers out there are not paying the eBay fees/commissions without including it into the total they receive from the buyer.
03-15-2013 07:43 PM
Thanks for taking the time to reply. I don't remember saying I waited 10 days before mailing. In most (98%) of cases, I mail within two days. I don't think I say in my listings 10 days. On the eBay postal thing on the listings where the seller chooses shipping time (below the selling price on eBay store form), there is a scroll down menu and I picked 10 days. I have no one to help me, period. But, again, I emphasize that in 98% of cases, I leave the house and mail my parcels within a day or two days. My feedbacks show that most people have found they received their packages very fast (Thanks for fast delivery etc.).
03-15-2013 07:58 PM
"do sellers add the eBay fees/commission to their item price,"
Yes.
In general terms, very active sellers simply look at the fees as a "cost of doing business". Typically, eBay and PayPal fees may average 16% to 20% for most sellers, a bit less if you are a TRS (20% discount on FVF).
The majority of transactions on eBay is from active professional sellers. They look at fees and gross margins differently than casual sellers. Personally, prior to closing my eBay store and retiring, I worked on big fat margins where I did not have to worry too much about small stuff like eBay/PayPal fees.
At the end of the day, like any retail business, you have to provide the buyer with perceived value. Is that item worth $50 (or whatever) to the buyer? Buyers do not care about your costs, the fees you pay or your overhead. They only and correctly care about the value you provide them for their money.