ISIS strikes in Canada

[valve37]

Home grown terrorist inspired by ISIS takes up their deadly challenge.

 Soldier dies after being run down in suspected terror attack near Montreal

The driver of a car who rammed two Canadian Forces members near Montreal before being shot dead by police was known to counter-terrorism authorities who believed he had become radicalized, the RCMP said on Monday as they continued to investigate the possible terrorist attack.

“This individual was known to federal authorities including our Integrated National Security Investigations team in Montreal who along with other authorities were concerned that he had become radicalized,” the RCMP said in a statement. The force declined further comment.

The 25-year-old, known as Martin “Ahmad” Rouleau, allegedly hit two members of the Canadian Forces as they were walking in a strip mall just outside St-Jean-sur-Richelieu at about 11:30 a.m.

http://news.nationalpost.com/2014/10/20/driver-who-ran-into-canadian-soldiers-near-montreal-was-know...

[pierrelebel]

The execution of that woman is terrible and not something that should happen in a just society.

In the meantime, someone in Iran - looking at it from a different perspective - is posting the following thread to show the type of society we have in the civilized West (USA, Canada, Europe, etc...):

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/10/25/st-louis-cop-shot-6-times_n_6046294.html

[art-in-the-making]

Why did  he  not choose  a  group such as  The Lions Club or The Church of Scientology ?

This is getting towards a productive area of the discussion - and it's a good question if you take away the Muslim aspect. What do people find themselves comfortable joining? Unfortunately, the more marginalized they get, the less opportunities they have to join in the "normal" activities of society.

A lot of the fun social opportunities out there, like say curling or a Lions Club, cost at least a moderate amount of money and have a cultural barrier. If you're already a loner, chances are you probably aren't ever going to just walk in to one of these clubs without being invited. Let alone fork out $500 or whatever the cost is to join!

If you're alone out there, it takes a fair amount of determination and initiative (depending on where you live maybe) to even find a pick-up game of basketball or soccer or a place to play backgammon.

Cults are a different story. They often seek out the rejects of society and offer them a place to belong.

I don't know what the effect of the internet is. People doing more of their socializing online with social media and games but it doesn't replace human contact. I do know there was a large Lions Club Hall not far from here built in the '70s that you could say was almost luxurious that fell into disuse and disrepair and finally got torn down and now I think the members meet at someone's house.

A lot of people get involved in different causes. Some things, like teaching adults to read, coaching sports or volunteering at a community centre help give many people a purpose and don't cost much to get involved with. But again, you have to be in a certain place yourself to be able to tap into the initiative you need to find these places and get involved.

At the end of the day, most everyone finds something to get involved with. Unfortunately, some of these activities have anti-social, illegal or flat out violent aspects.

So, I think it is clear - what we need are more choices of positive, productive things to get involved in.

And definitely more help for those with mental health or drug and alcohol issues.

[valve37]

Nothing wrong with that Pierre if wrong was your point. Forensic evidence is a powerful tool and can't be disputed.

“A proof is a proof. What kind of a proof? It's a proof. A proof is a proof. And when you have a good proof, it's because it's proven.”

 JC

[rose-dee]

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@art-in-the-making wrote:

Unfortunately, the more marginalized they get, the less opportunities they have to join in the "normal" activities of society. 

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I agree with all of your comments, and especially the above.  The fact that this fellow was even asked to leave the mosque because of his behaviour says a great deal about his "fitting in" with any regular group.  

Where does such a deviant outcast go?  Toward groups who appeal to his warped sense of injustice, disenfranchisement, alienation and anger.  Toward groups who can ply their trade loudly online without interference.  Even his mother told the press he was "lost".  

That this killer found a radical Muslim cause to identify with may really only be a reflection of the fact that it was convenient, available, and easy to hook into with no questions asked and no particular qualifications (or money) required.  

As a thought experiment, imagine how these sorts of mentally unstable people with drug problems and criminal backgrounds will actually fit in if they are able to leave Canada and join ISIS.  My guess is that they would eventually find themselves in as much trouble for their unpredictable and aberrant behaviour as they encountered in Canada.  That is, with the exception that they would probably be summarily shot (or worse) for the first infraction of Shariah law or serious insubordination.  These aren't the kinds of people whom even radical groups can control. 

[valve37]

Even 3 American teenage girls were drawn to ISIS.

"Three Denver area teenage girls—one of Somali descent and two of Sudanese descent—were intercepted in Germany recently, reportedly on their way to Turkey, in order to make their way to Syria to join ISIS.

The girls, ages 15, 16 and 17, had skipped school and run off with a few thousand dollars in cash.

Why? What could have been happening inside the minds of three young American women to make them want to join an army that beheads hostages, slaughters “infidels,” rapes women and swears that it will destroy the United States?"

http://www.foxnews.com/health/2014/10/23/inside-minds-denver-teens-who-wanted-to-join-isis/

[prior-of-verity*shake-hands-with-your-devil]

''reportedly on their way to Turkey''

I have a hard time believing much that is found in the media these days but Fox isn't even worth reading. Please note the emphasis on the word 'reportedly', which translates to..... 'when you find out it's not true we used a word to get us off the hook'.

Dr. Keith Ablow has a long history of abuse of his field in psychology. He has been highly criticized by people in his profession. Basically he has become a Fox puppet.  

[valve37]

It's been all over most news reporting, not just Fox. CNN and even CBC or are they not worth reading either?

http://www.cnn.com/2014/10/21/us/colorado-teens-syria-odyssey/index.html?iref=allsearch

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/colorado-teens-en-route-to-syria-investigated-for-isis-link-1.2809911

[prior-of-verity*shake-hands-with-your-devil]

The original story was flogged by Fox and everyone else grabbed on to it. If you look at the words, they're all the same.

[valve37]

So if CNN and CBC copied Fox and Fox isn't worth reading where does it leave the other two?

[art-in-the-making]

I haven't read these stories in particular, sounds like a lot of inciting people to hyperventilate going on.

But just in terms of how it could work. The media is a competitive marketplace. You don't want your competitors to be running stuff that you don't have. So Fox runs something probably CNN goes to some sources to verify the quote unquote "facts". Of course there are all sorts of legit government sources, as well as NGOs or other entities that have agendas and will corroborate a "fact" if asked nicely.

Valve, may I suggest that every time you read something from one of your usual news sources, that you balance it off with some Russell Brand...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALEaAAU3KAE

[nuvistors]

. Basically he has become a Fox puppet.  

As opposed to those who are simply Liberal puppets.

[valve37]

"Valve, may I suggest that every time you read something from one of your usual news sources, that you balance it off with some Russell Brand..."

Did you read the comments to the video? If that's part of your news source you should be ashamed of yourself.

A very powerful cartoon.....This should be posted in every school in Canada and the USA !!!

Only 31 words -- Think about it!

[prior-of-verity*shake-hands-with-your-devil]

It really bothers me when I see things that try to intimidate or attempt to make people feel guilty for their views. The soldier in the wheelchair did fight for freedom and part of that freedom is the right to disagree and if opposition to swearing an allegiance is part of a personal demonstration of some form, then so be it.  

I watched a video the other night of a demonstration in New York and the police were being rough with the peaceful demonstrators. Out of the crowd comes an Iraq veteran, in his uniform and including his medals. He verbally laid into the police for their actions in a Free country. That, is a soldier who believes in what he fought for.

Look it up on YouTube >

Olbermann interviews marine veteran who shamed police - Sgt Shamar Thomas