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ospreylinks
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This is interesting...

Check out the photo gallery.

http://72.3.131.10/

Jeff
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Love it!

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If the people of the world got to vote in the last U.S. election, well over 80% of the world's population would have voted against Bush.

It is really interesting when you live INSIDE of the box, how small one's world is isnt it?

From an international standpoint he is the worst leader to take the American people forward yet for the American people, at least the majority that voted see him as their biggest and best hope for protecting them from terror, bringing them together, improving their economy, improving their social benefits and increasing aid and democracy throughout the world.

Oh to be so blind-sided, so ignorant and foolish to think that he and his family represent the American Christian values.

By the way, when will his daughters be enlisting to serve in Iraq? Or do they have police records for their drunk and disorderly behavior on so many ocassions? Nope, no record, dad saw to that so I guess they are eligible to serve in Iraq! Come on GW, put your daughters where your mouth is and send them to Iraq like any good non-lying Christian would.

Malcolm

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The ONLY reason GWB was re-elected is because the Christian right are counting on his "born again" thing to put an end to abortion, stem-cell research, etc.

I have every respect for people's religious beliefs. I just can not for the life of me understand why imposing them on everyone else seems to come above all else. They gladly sacrifice their own financial well-being and the lives of their young men just to make sure that the rest of the country follows their religious teachings.

I'll never understand religious fanaticism.

Monique

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shoplineca
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Religious Fanatacism: "Do as I say, Not as I do!"

When I owned a large company in Georgia, I had quite a few people within a certain prominent Southern religious group who didnt believe in unmarried people of the opposite sex dancing slow dances together (no touching befire being married). They didnt believe in alcohol as a beverage and many other things we sometimes take for granted in our lifestyle. Of course premaritial sex was way out of line and bordering being castized to a life in Hell.

One of these religious zealots who worked for me had been living common law with a drug dealing alcoholic for 2-years yet I was invited to their white and pure wedding in their church. She was a member of the choir and active in all parts of the church, except, I suppose, the faith.

Similar stories with others in my plant having extra-maritial affairs between Sunday service and Saturday confessionals while preaching reborn virginity through religious-imposed chastity and abstinence.

I fired about as many people for having sex in the plant during work hours as I did those that were caught using drugs and each one of them waving the flag of being "born-agains" on their way out the door.

Malcolm
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ospreylinks
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So.... how many pages of the gallery did you get through. I think I got to about the 8th or 9th page...

Jeff
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discountlabelsupplies
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The main reason GWB is disliked by close to 50% of the voters is because his spin doctors made the war on Iraq out to be based on the chemical weapons. If his team had simply declared war on Iraq based on the atrocities that have taken place there (sensless slaughtering of thousands) then public opinion would have been much different.

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Personnally I support George Bush. Americans were faced with choosing a leader of their country, and there are many more issues than just the war. We are faced with the same dilemma here. I hold faith that the people who voted Liberal in the last election here don't necessarily condone corruption, lying, and stealing, but rather feel that the Liberal policies are overall better than the Conservative policies. At least I really hope that is the case.

You may disagree with the result, but at least it was democratic. Not like our 10 years of government rule with 35% of the popular vote.

Malcolm, I understand your position about sending the soldiers to war. But you have to remember that every US soldier over there voluntarily joined. I am in the air force, (or what is left of it) and I don't think you can accept the paycheck and not accept the responsibility that goes with it. As a matter of fact, I can guarantee that if you could personally go to Iraq and poll the military, just about every one of them are proud to be there and would not have stayed home if given the choice. And they are happy to make the home of George Bush's daughter a safer place. And everyone else's daughter.

I too would like to live in the Utopian world of "all good people". No more wars. Of course, I would be out of a job. But I would be happy to give it up in that case.

Rob
(a lonely conservative)

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shoplineca
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Rob
I wouldnt call GWB a conservative. A true conservative wouldnt have gone into Iraq and condemned his country to what may be generations of debt to fight an unprovoked war not to mention the devastation caused to relations with foreign countries (ours included).

I understand your position as a member of our military. I understand the support you give the Comander in Chief, that which you are expected to give, what you are trained to give and is consitently given. I also know that such respect and support is not one given of total free choice, it is imbedded into you through years of training.

With your remarks about the Liberal government, you cant tell me that you would have refused a direct order from Chretien, as former Commander in Chief to go into battle in Afghanistan any less than the Americans are doing in Iraq with Bush.

I am sure that you must agree, as Citizens, we have more fredom of choice and speech than you do as a person serving our military within the confines of your job.

Every true soldier follows his leader. Napoleon showed his command over his troops by ordering a whole division to their death by riding their horses over a cliff. However that doesnt make it right.

In fact the Americans are less safe for having gone into Iraq than they were before the invasion as they no longer have the support of the majority of the world that they had immediately following 2001.

Most of those who supported the US in 2001 dont any longer. Those that tolerated the US now hate the US.
Those that hated the US, hate them even more. How then does that make the US a safer place to live? How are George's daughters safer? I think they are now at more at risk than they were in 2000.

Today, there are fewer places that Americans can and will travel to safely outside of the US, including Canada.

So if Americans can only feel safe within their own borders, then it is imprisonment that they choose and not freedom. They are imprisoned within the confines of their borders which have increased amounts of security being added daily.

It is now more difficult for Americans to get in and to get out of the US. Does this all not sound familiar? Is history repeating itself?

I for one dont hate Americans, I never have. There is however a separation between man and government.

I do feel that Canada has a better chance of economic properity with Bush in power than Kerry in the short run however in the long run, Bush will cause long-term economic and continued international relation problems that will take generations of succesive governments to clean up.

Malcolm





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discountlabelsupplies
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"what may be generations of debt to fight an unprovoked war "

Malcolm, I suppose we should have let Hitler do his thing without getting involved. After all, it wasn't 6 million Canadians hitler was killing right? The world is becoming a much smaller place and although we can not force our democracy on every country, I feel we must support the U.S. in forcing rogue nations with iron fisted dictators to uphold basic human rights such as the right to live and not be slaughtered based on ones beleifs.

If you are going to bash GWB, you could support your arguement much better by choosing other issues.
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There seems to be some question as to whether GWB has been democratically elected at all. In fact, the election may have now been stolen for a second term:

November 6th, 2004 6:53 pm
Evidence Mounts That The Vote May Have Been Hacked

by Thom Hartmann / Common Dreams

When I spoke with Jeff Fisher this morning (Saturday, November 06, 2004), the Democratic candidate for the U.S. House of Representatives from Florida's 16th District said he was waiting for the FBI to show up. Fisher has evidence, he says, not only that the Florida election was hacked, but of who hacked it and how. And not just this year, he said, but that these same people had previously hacked the Democratic primary race in 2002 so that Jeb Bush would not have to run against Janet Reno, who presented a real threat to Jeb, but instead against Bill McBride, who Jeb beat.

"It was practice for a national effort," Fisher told me.

And evidence is accumulating that the national effort happened on November 2, 2004.

The State of Florida, for example, publishes a county-by-county record of votes cast and people registered to vote by party affiliation. Net denizen Kathy Dopp compiled the official state information into a table, available at http://ustogether.org/Florida_Election.htm, and noticed something startling.

While the heavily scrutinized touch-screen voting machines seemed to produce results in which the registered Democrat/Republican ratios matched the Kerry/Bush vote, and so did the optically-scanned paper ballots in the larger counties, in Florida's smaller counties the results from the optically scanned paper ballots - fed into a central tabulator PC and thus vulnerable to hacking - seem to have been reversed.

In Baker County, for example, with 12,887 registered voters, 69.3% of them Democrats and 24.3% of them Republicans, the vote was only 2,180 for Kerry and 7,738 for Bush, the opposite of what is seen everywhere else in the country where registered Democrats largely voted for Kerry.

In Dixie County, with 4,988 registered voters, 77.5% of them Democrats and a mere 15% registered as Republicans, only 1,959 people voted for Kerry, but 4,433 voted for Bush.

The pattern repeats over and over again - but only in the smaller counties where, it was probably assumed, the small voter numbers wouldn't be much noticed. Franklin County, 77.3% registered Democrats, went 58.5% for Bush. Holmes County, 72.7% registered Democrats, went 77.25% for Bush.

Yet in the larger counties, where such anomalies would be more obvious to the news media, high percentages of registered Democrats equaled high percentages of votes for Kerry.

More visual analysis of the results can be seen at http://ustogether.org/election04/FloridaDataStats.htm, and www.rubberbug.com/temp/Florida2004chart.htm.

And, although elections officials didn't notice these anomalies, in aggregate they were enough to swing Florida from Kerry to Bush. If you simply go through the analysis of these counties and reverse the "anomalous" numbers in those counties that appear to have been hacked, suddenly the Florida election results resemble the Florida exit poll results: Kerry won, and won big.

Those exit poll results have been a problem for reporters ever since Election Day.

Election night, I'd been doing live election coverage for WDEV, one of the radio stations that carries my syndicated show, and, just after midnight, during the 12:20 a.m. Associated Press Radio News feed, I was startled to hear the reporter detail how Karen Hughes had earlier sat George W. Bush down to inform him that he'd lost the election. The exit polls were clear: Kerry was winning in a landslide. "Bush took the news stoically," noted the AP report.

But then the computers reported something different. In several pivotal states.

Conservatives see a conspiracy here: They think the exit polls were rigged.

Dick Morris, the infamous political consultant to the first Clinton campaign who became a Republican consultant and Fox News regular, wrote an article for The Hill, the publication read by every political junkie in Washington, DC, in which he made a couple of brilliant points.

"Exit Polls are almost never wrong," Morris wrote. "They eliminate the two major potential fallacies in survey research by correctly separating actual voters from those who pretend they will cast ballots but never do and by substituting actual observation for guesswork in judging the relative turnout of different parts of the state."

He added: "So, according to ABC-TVs exit polls, for example, Kerry was slated to carry Florida, Ohio, New Mexico, Colorado, Nevada, and Iowa, all of which Bush carried. The only swing state the network had going to Bush was West Virginia, which the president won by 10 points."

Yet a few hours after the exit polls were showing a clear Kerry sweep, as the computerized vote numbers began to come in from the various states the election was called for Bush.

How could this happen?

This is the florida article. There's another article attesting that the Ohio majority also voted for Kerry.

Democracy seems to be dead and burried in the US even as they purport to be trying to bring it to the Middle Esst. I can understand why Liberals are called "Liberals". A more accurate term for today's conservatives would seem to be "Malevolents"


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shoplineca
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How could anyone compare Saddam Hussein of 2004 to Hitler? That same analogy would be like comparing a lounge singer to Celine Dion and assuming they share the same fame and wealth because the sing.

Would you have so readily welcomed the US troops to come into Canada during the FLQ crisis and taken over? Or how about today?

I dont recall George Bush coming to Canada and asking for Canada's help at overthrowing the Iraq government because he wanted to implement democracy and wipe out Saddam for all the previous atrocities he did.

I recall George Bush telling the world that WMD were in Iraq and they were targeted at Americans and that was why they had to invade right then and there with no more room to negotiate or it would be too late. Those same words were spelled out the same way by Powell who did come to Canada to ask our assistance to rid Iraq of WMD.

People who assimilate Saddam with Hitler still believe there are WMD in Iraq.

There are things happening in other countries, especially in some of the African nations that makes Iraq look like Disneyland and Saddam look like Mickey Mouse but those countries dont have oil or any other resource the US want or depend on.

I am glad that I can think on my own and not repeat what CNN and Fox News wants me to believe.

... and as far as being able to support my arguments, I travelled throughout Latin America for a decade during their war years (El Salvador, Guatemala, Belize, Panama and Nicaragua) and can speak first hand of US intervention (certainly you must remember Oliver North, the CIA and the millions and millions of dollars filtering in to finance a continuing war in Latin America in the 1980's).

I was in those countries doing business when our own government officials wouldnt travel there. I flew on planes loaded with ABC and NBC reporters heading into the hot spots as they were happening and learned first hand what was going on. I chartered planes to fly around HOT spots where you would be shot down (basically all of Nicaragua was a hot spot).

I met US military men posing as tourists at hotels and others dressed as Officers wearing Salvadorian air force uniforms. They were there, unoffically training the troops but were also very active fighting in the jungle wars.

100,000 civilians killed in El Salvador, most buried in mass graves, others just missing. Oh yes I can speak first hand and back up my comments on US foreign policy and intervention and the costs. They are doing the same thing in the Middle East today as they did in Latin America 25 years ago.

I wont go on in this public forum of what I learned but if you believe what a politician tells you about their reaosn for being at war, then I have some great swamp land to sell you.

And soon the US will do the same in the Middle East as they did in Latin America and walk away from them. And guess what, those countries will be better for them leaving. They will build themselves up on their own and will survive better without them there.

Look how the US walked away from the Phillipines and Haiti and Iran. After pouring hundreds of millions to have those countries run the US way, all the money went into the hands of the dictators (Ferdinand Marcos, the Shaw of Iran, Poppa and Baby Doc Duvalier). None reached the poor starving people and there was no freedom for any of them, no democracy. And 25-30 years later there still isnt any but the people are worse off in those countries.

It was always something that puzzled people. What would the world do if it werent fighting? If there werent any more wars, any more fighting, no more skirmishes.

Well each time we come closer to that reality, someone finds a reason to pick up a stick and bash someone over the head and then claim "They started it". George picked up the stick and then blamed Saddam but the proof didnt support George yet there are the die hards that will continue to believe him.

I'll do everyone a favour and step down from my soap box. I would sooner spend my time selling stuff on eBay because I am not about to waste my time trying to change the world.

I've been to too many places and seen too many things to be fooled by the likes of a GWB or the press that are in his back pocket (or his father's) and I am too wise to waste my time trying to convince those that choose otherwise.

It has no effect on me whether someone believes in the man or his administration's policies or not. I wont like you any more or any less.

Malcolm
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