January 27 2016 Weekly Session

Hello everyone,

 

Welcome to our weekly session. I'll be around for most of the day.

 

Here are the issues I'm currently tracking:

  • Hard block on non compliant images only on relist/sell similar
  • Missing Tracked Packet destinations

  • Odd missing gallery picture in search results

Updates:

  • SYI: Form resets IS when switching currencies. - Problem identified, Dev team is working on a fix
  • SYI: Form resets IS when trying to update handling cost - Problem partially solved. Complete fix upcoming
  • Sold items going into Unsold container in Turbo Lister - TL team has been unable to reproduce the issue on the current version
  • Safari browser SYI exhibiting erratic behaviour when trying to select text in description in Revise - under investigation
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@pocomocomputing wrote:

Raphael, do you know about the feedback glitch on eBay.ca. Apparently, feedback cannot be left sometimes on eBay.ca and the workaround posted in the forums here is to go to eBay.com and leave feedback there.

 

I do not have experience with this issue. I just remember reading about it in topics here from time to time.

 

Perhaps someone reading the weekly session could post a real example and details.

 

Here is the topic I just read where someone mentions not being able to leave feedback. I do not know if this is the same issue as mentioned in other topics.

 

http://community.ebay.ca/t5/Buyer-Central/Seller-who-cancels-my-item-after-shipping-Not-able-to-repl...


Never heard about this. Unfortunately the reporting user already has left FB so I can't try it out for myself. If anyone gets that issue please report it to me before leaving FB so I can see. Thanks!

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@pjcdn2005 wrote:

I have a cart /combined shipping question.   A couple of months ago a Canadian buyer purchased two items from me and paid for each one separately. They wrote and told me that when they asked for an invoice the message they received was that this seller didn't offer combined shipping. I don't have combined shipping rules set up mainly because I have so many different sizes of items and  it seems a bit daunting to set up but regardless, shouldn't the buyer still be able to ask for an invoice?  In my preferences I do allow buyers to combine payments for item purchased within 7 days.

 

I can't give you item numbers right now as I can't remember exactly which items they were.


Are you sure both items were bought using the same buyer ID and within the 7 days? Either way I'll need the item numbers to look into it.

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@block36 wrote:

Buyers from USA tell me that system requires them to make immediate payments although I do not have such a requirement on my listings.

 

I usually provide them with instructions to enter eBay through Canadian door and then they are not facing such a demand.

 

Same was with buyer from Israel, but she did not follow the demand for payment, she reversed her first purchase and wrote me for clarification. I instructed her and she made multiple purchases of cards, and got her combined invoice...

Next time she was able to do the same on her own

 

 


On eBay.com, there is a rule that forces immediate payment on BIN items priced under $100. This was a 2014 initiative to help reduce unpaid items and is, combined with the limitations of the US shopping cart which can't accept items listed on eBay sites other than .com, is the root cause of this "cart disconnect" issue that's been talked about a lot on these sessions. Chances are your Israel buyer was using eBay.com to try and buy your items.

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raphael@ebay.com wrote:

 

 

Just one comment on this. Let's not forget to look at the situation from a buyer's point of view. First of all, stating that the item is located in a different location than where it really ships from is wrong and misleading. I'm glad to read that the seller has corrected this. Now, with regards to the need to pad handling time to reflect the true time it'll take for the item to get there, again I just see this as the right thing to do to ensure buyers have the right expectations.


The right thing to do would be to give sellers the ability to set their own ETAs via a customizable shipping method that is definied by the seller both in text representation (or defined as something generic) and a min and max day value. The business logic for this is that by padding handling time you are telling a buyer you don't care about their order. Buyers are sensitive to the speed at which you process their order and increasing handling times will lead to an increase in lost sales. You state that "the new standards rules are global. As much as we would have preferred to create a set of rules that are specific to the Canadian shipping reality, the current structure of standards program doesn't allow for this"

 

I know this is not your fault, but can you not see how ridiculous this is to state to Canadian sellers while not providing them with any tools to be able to accurately produce an ETA? The fact that shipping services that ebay makes available to Canadian sellers have no tracking capability, and thus no initial scan to prevent defects, and ETAs in place that do not match Canada Post standards dooms a large percentage of Canadian sellers to losing their top rated seller status. The people in the best position to manage the expectations of buyers are the sellers themselves, yet the tools for doing so are limited and clearly not up to task as sellers are relaying to you.

 

I'm guessing this is down to a lack of resources and an imposition of global policy, but surely someone in a position of responsibility for the region can see that this will potentially lead to lost sales, further drive a wedge between buyers and sellers, and disincentivize sellers to sell on ebay by financially penalizing them for factors beyond their control? Surely that is a far greater financial risk than assigning resources to come up with a better solution to this.

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You're very popular today!

 

Recently I've had 2 customers contact me via ebay messages that they wanted to return their items for buyers remorse reasons.

 They didn't go through the return process so I just gave them the info and they sent the items back.

 

In one case, the buyer was in England so by the time I received the item back and went to refund, it was past 30 days and I couldn't cancel the order and therefore could not get my fees back.  Is it possible that they will be looking at this rule and making a change as it is very possible for it to take over 30 days for a buyer to receive an item and then send it back, especially when the buyer is in another country and when the seller has a 14 day + return option.

 

In the second case, the buyer was in the U.S. and well within the 30 days so I could refund and cancel the order in ebay. But I was not given the option of refunding the total less the original shipping cost.  The last time that I had a refund it did go through the return process and I would have been able to hold back the shipping if I wanted to. ( I never do but it is nice to have that option)  Is the difference just because one went through the return process and the other one didn't or is that the way it is set now regardless of how the return is done?

 

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@pjcdn2005 wrote:

raphael@ebay.com wrote:

@pjcdn2005 wrote:

@rose-dee wrote:

raphael@ebay.com wrote:
Here is the reply I got regarding the gallery image:

 

The listing example you provided was originally created in 2012. When listings are so long lived it often occurs that the original gallery image used becomes no longer available. Often the simple solution is to revise the listing, remove the photo that was previously the gallery image, and then re-upload the photo and choose the option to display it as the gallery image. Alternatively the seller can opt to use another photo as the gallery image. This revision should prompt a refresh of the gallery image URL which can take up to 24 hours.


LOL.  Tells you how bad things have been sales-wise in my neck of the woods.  OK, thanks Raphael, I'll give this a try (hopefully I still have the original image).  Actually, I think I'll try the second option first to see if that works.  


Perhaps part of the reason for your slow sales is that some of your listings have been running for more than a year. IMO that does make a big difference in search but perhaps Raphael could tell us if that really is a factor or not.


New listings with no sales shouldn't rank much better than old ones also with no sales. Also note that sales history only affect ranking for multi-quantity listings. Single item listings cannot be considered better or worst performing without sales data.


Thanks for the reply. I was under the impression though that one of the things that cassini looked at was the number of impressions your listing received vs sales. You're saying that is valid only for multiple quantity listings?

 

 

Even if I am wrong, I still think that it is a good idea to end and redo listings every once in a while to give them a fresh look.  Isn't that part of the reason why ebay suggests doing so after so many months? 


The thing about Best Match is that no one really understands completely how it works 😉 Thus I can't confirm or deny what Cassini looks at, but what you say isn't implausible. That said, suggesting to update stale listings is probably a good idea regardless, since leaving them as is is likely to produce no results.

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Great session today everyone! Thank you. I have to go for now but will leave the thread open till tomorrow morning. Good evening & night!

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As a followup to my previous message, here is some testing based on the current ebay hard coded etas using a variety of methods available to sellers that would fall under the category of non-expedited services, or services without guaranteed service levels). Have a look at the below for examples of where there is a clear disconnect. It is also important to note that the Canada Post ETAs only apply to large metro areas, many areas in Canada are outside of said metro areas, and Canada Post has clear guidelines as to the extended handling times for those areas)

 

United Kingdom
•Light packet International 5-10 business days (Canada Post Specifies 6-10 business days)
•Small packet International Air 5-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 6-10 business days)
•Standard International Shipping - 4-10 business days

 

USA
•Canada Post Light Packet USA - 6-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 5-8 business days)
•Canada Post Small Packet USA - 5-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 5-8 business days)
•Small Packet International Air - 5-18 business days
•Small Packets International Ground - 5-13 business days
•Standard International Shipping - 6-11 business days
•Expedited International Shipping - 5-10 business days

 

As you can see most are redundant, out of step with existing delivery standards or simply haven't been reviewed to see if they make any sense (ie why does an air option have a wider eta range than ground?). Adding the economy option that exists on ebay.com is one way of helping with this situation but I still feel that having a user customizable option would be of far more

benefit, not only for Canadian sellers, but all global ebay sellers. I realize that Canadian logistics are by and large quite unique versus those of many other countries, and rather than a Canadian specific option, we need more generic options to cover a wider range of ETAs or something the individual seller can define. You can see from above that many of these options came about to cater to specific country shipping scenarios, and you are left with a legacy of redundant options rather than one single user definable option.

 

A revamping of some of the existing legacy shipping method options would be welcome.

 

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raphael@ebay.com wrote:

Hi zee-chan,

Thanks for your comments. I'm passing them to the Standards team along with the ones from musicyouneed.

Regarding your question about your TRS status, you are correct. If you get 6 or more late shipments within your lookback period, you will no longer qualify for TRS. This is one of the new requirements for the program.


 

I hope eBay will consider waiving these late shipments defects that were "gained" before Feb 20 2016 to give small sellers like me a fair chance to adjust to the new system. I was doing fine with the old system (two INRs in the entire year, one I refunded, the other the book showed up so case closed), whereas even before this new system officially kicks in on Feb 20 (?) I already have four late defects and getting pretty close to losing my TRS. Some of my X'mas period sales probably haven't made it to the buyers yet so I'm expecting more late defects coming even as we speak. It's very discouraging to lose the TRS I earned because of slow shipping - something I can't control at all (other countries could have cut backs on their postal system, or whatever). I have never had any buyers complain about poor packaging or poorly described item - something I have full control over.

 

I tried explaining how selling on eBay works to a few friends the other day and after they heard my explanations they all gave up on the idea. All these new criteria are confusing even for someone selling casually for years. I can't imagine how a newbie could figure out all these weird workarounds (stating much longer handling time - essentially lying and misrepresenting ones' own service) to avoid late shipment defects.

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raphael@ebay.com wrote:

@dutchman48 wrote:

What happened to the question I asked previously if Ebay will refund the seller for money sent to a buyer upfront for return shipping on an international sale and the buyer does not return the item and keeps the sellers return shipping money.

 

A scam by an international buyer.

 

I would like a yes or no answer for a change! And have it put in policy either way!

 

And not to be rude, I am getting very tired of no answers to questions.


Dutchman,

 

You are asking me to comment on edge cases that aren't clearly spelled out in the policy. There can't be a version of eMBG that will cover for every possible eventuality.

 

In any case where the buyer clearly is scamming the seller for money, the seller should contact CS and explain the situation. eBay keeps tabs on buyers as well as on sellers.


Sorry Raphael, that is a no answer. Funny how so many things that protect sellers are conveniently missing from policy!!

 

Ebay's return policies need to be totally redone and quickly if they want people to continue selling internationally. If they do not care, which it appears they don't, I feel sorry for their long term future as anything but a big box or Chinese retail outlet.

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@hlmacdon wrote:

As a followup to my previous message, here is some testing based on the current ebay hard coded etas using a variety of methods available to sellers that would fall under the category of non-expedited services, or services without guaranteed service levels). Have a look at the below for examples of where there is a clear disconnect. It is also important to note that the Canada Post ETAs only apply to large metro areas, many areas in Canada are outside of said metro areas, and Canada Post has clear guidelines as to the extended handling times for those areas)

 

United Kingdom
•Light packet International 5-10 business days (Canada Post Specifies 6-10 business days)
•Small packet International Air 5-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 6-10 business days)
•Standard International Shipping - 4-10 business days

 

USA
•Canada Post Light Packet USA - 6-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 5-8 business days)
•Canada Post Small Packet USA - 5-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 5-8 business days)
•Small Packet International Air - 5-18 business days
•Small Packets International Ground - 5-13 business days
•Standard International Shipping - 6-11 business days
•Expedited International Shipping - 5-10 business days

 

As you can see most are redundant, out of step with existing delivery standards or simply haven't been reviewed to see if they make any sense (ie why does an air option have a wider eta range than ground?). Adding the economy option that exists on ebay.com is one way of helping with this situation but I still feel that having a user customizable option would be of far more

benefit, not only for Canadian sellers, but all global ebay sellers. I realize that Canadian logistics are by and large quite unique versus those of many other countries, and rather than a Canadian specific option, we need more generic options to cover a wider range of ETAs or something the individual seller can define. You can see from above that many of these options came about to cater to specific country shipping scenarios, and you are left with a legacy of redundant options rather than one single user definable option.

 

A revamping of some of the existing legacy shipping method options would be welcome.

 


Ebay needs to revamp a lot of things that damage sellers, but will probably never be done as it may cost them some money and/or sales. Heaven forbid!

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Raphael, here are reference to few recent transactions which demonstrate certain discrepancy in regards to combined shipping:

 

 US buyer of items 311516822775, 311501390206, 311501384736, 262186999925 and 311501277852 did not have to make individual payments although each item’s price is below $100.

 

Another US buyer did not have to pay individually for items 262185314840, 262190621139, 262178987452 (postcards for a couple of dollars for each item).

 

But US buyer of items 262193576131, 262211949846, 311523232353 and 262191598111 was forced to pay for each item.

 

In regards to buyer from Israel (example item 262199886929) you can see that she is experienced buyer with multiple purchasing from around the world. And when she approached me initially she told me that my case was the first of this kind.

And seems that if indeed she is buying through US.com, she can do multiple purchases w/o problems from other countries’ sellers.

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@hlmacdon wrote:

As a followup to my previous message, here is some testing based on the current ebay hard coded etas using a variety of methods available to sellers that would fall under the category of non-expedited services, or services without guaranteed service levels). Have a look at the below for examples of where there is a clear disconnect. It is also important to note that the Canada Post ETAs only apply to large metro areas, many areas in Canada are outside of said metro areas, and Canada Post has clear guidelines as to the extended handling times for those areas)

 

United Kingdom
•Light packet International 5-10 business days (Canada Post Specifies 6-10 business days)
•Small packet International Air 5-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 6-10 business days)
•Standard International Shipping - 4-10 business days

 

USA
•Canada Post Light Packet USA - 6-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 5-8 business days)
•Canada Post Small Packet USA - 5-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 5-8 business days)
•Small Packet International Air - 5-18 business days
•Small Packets International Ground - 5-13 business days
•Standard International Shipping - 6-11 business days
•Expedited International Shipping - 5-10 business days

 

As you can see most are redundant, out of step with existing delivery standards or simply haven't been reviewed to see if they make any sense (ie why does an air option have a wider eta range than ground?). Adding the economy option that exists on ebay.com is one way of helping with this situation but I still feel that having a user customizable option would be of far more

benefit, not only for Canadian sellers, but all global ebay sellers. I realize that Canadian logistics are by and large quite unique versus those of many other countries, and rather than a Canadian specific option, we need more generic options to cover a wider range of ETAs or something the individual seller can define. You can see from above that many of these options came about to cater to specific country shipping scenarios, and you are left with a legacy of redundant options rather than one single user definable option.

 

A revamping of some of the existing legacy shipping method options would be welcome.

 


If sellers could customize their own delivery estimate then we would all make the times really long so that we wouldn't get a late shipment defect..that wouldn't work well from eBay's point of view. But they do need to set the estimated times to be realistic and consistent.

 

Your information for the U.S.  shows  small packets international air but most sellers would use small packet USA Air which shows an eta of 5-11 business days and small packet international air for other international countries. If they use the term 'worldwide' rather than naming specific countries, the international air or ground option and the U.S air option will be seen under the shipping tab but since buyers are going to choose the US air option which is less expensive, that's the timeline that would be used.

 

There is no small packet ground option for the USA, only for other countries.

 

I switched one of my listings to small packet to see what the timelines is and it shows 5 - 11 business days for both the U.S. and the UK.  (listing 272092633192)  But for the U.S. that time includes my one day handling so in reality, they are saying that I only need 4 - 10 business days for that item to be delivered.  Even though the U.S. and the UK have the same number of days for the estimated delivery, when I look at that same listing on the .com site, it shows the U.S. eta as Feb 3 - 11 and the UK eta as Feb 4 - 12.

 

 

I normally use standard international and  think that 6 - 11 business days to the U.S. works out fairly well most of the time. The problem is that they are not using 6 - 11 days on top of the seller's handling time. For example, my listings with standard int'l shipping to the U.S. show a delivery date of Feb 4 - 11 for an item purchased today. Since I have a one day delivery time, that six day count shouldn't start until Friday but they have it starting tomorrow.

 

A delivery time of 4 - 10 business days for standard international to the UK really isn't realistic. 

 I've always thought that in business it is better to under promise and over deliver but ebay seems to prefer to over promise which results in an unhappy customer if that promise is not delivered.

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@pjcdn2005 wrote:

@hlmacdon wrote:

As a followup to my previous message, here is some testing based on the current ebay hard coded etas using a variety of methods available to sellers that would fall under the category of non-expedited services, or services without guaranteed service levels). Have a look at the below for examples of where there is a clear disconnect. It is also important to note that the Canada Post ETAs only apply to large metro areas, many areas in Canada are outside of said metro areas, and Canada Post has clear guidelines as to the extended handling times for those areas)

 

United Kingdom
•Light packet International 5-10 business days (Canada Post Specifies 6-10 business days)
•Small packet International Air 5-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 6-10 business days)
•Standard International Shipping - 4-10 business days

 

USA
•Canada Post Light Packet USA - 6-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 5-8 business days)
•Canada Post Small Packet USA - 5-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 5-8 business days)
•Small Packet International Air - 5-18 business days
•Small Packets International Ground - 5-13 business days
•Standard International Shipping - 6-11 business days
•Expedited International Shipping - 5-10 business days

 

As you can see most are redundant, out of step with existing delivery standards or simply haven't been reviewed to see if they make any sense (ie why does an air option have a wider eta range than ground?). Adding the economy option that exists on ebay.com is one way of helping with this situation but I still feel that having a user customizable option would be of far more

benefit, not only for Canadian sellers, but all global ebay sellers. I realize that Canadian logistics are by and large quite unique versus those of many other countries, and rather than a Canadian specific option, we need more generic options to cover a wider range of ETAs or something the individual seller can define. You can see from above that many of these options came about to cater to specific country shipping scenarios, and you are left with a legacy of redundant options rather than one single user definable option.

 

A revamping of some of the existing legacy shipping method options would be welcome.

 


If sellers could customize their own delivery estimate then we would all make the times really long so that we wouldn't get a late shipment defect..that wouldn't work well from eBay's point of view. But they do need to set the estimated times to be realistic and consistent.

 

Your information for the U.S.  shows  small packets international air but most sellers would use small packet USA Air which shows an eta of 5-11 business days and small packet international air for other international countries. If they use the term 'worldwide' rather than naming specific countries, the international air or ground option and the U.S air option will be seen under the shipping tab but since buyers are going to choose the US air option which is less expensive, that's the timeline that would be used.

 

There is no small packet ground option for the USA, only for other countries.

 

I switched one of my listings to small packet to see what the timelines is and it shows 5 - 11 business days for both the U.S. and the UK.  (listing 272092633192)  But for the U.S. that time includes my one day handling so in reality, they are saying that I only need 4 - 10 business days for that item to be delivered.  Even though the U.S. and the UK have the same number of days for the estimated delivery, when I look at that same listing on the .com site, it shows the U.S. eta as Feb 3 - 11 and the UK eta as Feb 4 - 12.

 

 

I normally use standard international and  think that 6 - 11 business days to the U.S. works out fairly well most of the time. The problem is that they are not using 6 - 11 days on top of the seller's handling time. For example, my listings with standard int'l shipping to the U.S. show a delivery date of Feb 4 - 11 for an item purchased today. Since I have a one day delivery time, that six day count shouldn't start until Friday but they have it starting tomorrow.

 

A delivery time of 4 - 10 business days for standard international to the UK really isn't realistic. 

 I've always thought that in business it is better to under promise and over deliver but ebay seems to prefer to over promise which results in an unhappy customer if that promise is not delivered.


I totally agree.

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@westernstargifts wrote:

 


If sellers could customize their own delivery estimate then we would all make the times really long so that we wouldn't get a late shipment defect..that wouldn't work well from eBay's point of view. But they do need to set the estimated times to be realistic and consistent"

I would have a very different viewpoint on this. The goal of the program is not to assign defects to sellers. The goal of the program is to ensure that sellers are properly managing the expectations of buyers by accurately reflecting shipping methods and shipping within stated shipping times. Whether it is ebay or the seller, we all want happy sellers who can trust the information that is being presented to them and come back to make future purchases. Many of us sellers value that repeat business and want to manage those expectations where there are well known deficiencies with stated ETA times (international), but there are inadequate options with the current system. Sellers who would set ETAs to an artificially long period would only be harming themselves by spooking potential buyers.

 


 

Your information for the U.S.  shows  small packets international air but most sellers would use small packet USA Air which shows an eta of 5-11 business days and small packet international air for other international countries. If they use the term 'worldwide' rather than naming specific countries, the international air or ground option and the U.S air option will be seen under the shipping tab but since buyers are going to choose the US air option which is less expensive, that's the timeline that would be used.


 

 

I fully realize that. The point is to illustrate that in the absence of accurate ETAs which reflect the realities of international shipping, there are limited "generic" shipping options for sellers to use, and they are largely redundant. Raphael mentioned the possibility of implementing the economy shipping from outside US option for ebay.ca which would be one option, as that gives a range of 11 to 23 business days. Specific shipping options have been implemented to reflect the realities of shipping from Asia to North America. I see no reason why we shouldn't have the expectation that something could be similarly implemented to reflect our own shipping reality.

 


 

There is no small packet ground option for the USA, only for other countries.


 

 

Incorrect, it exists and is accessible from the US. If you using a listing template or some other service perhaps you are not seeing it.

 

 

 


 

A delivery time of 4 - 10 business days for standard international to the UK really isn't realistic. 


 

Which is precisely the problem we are trying to address. Packages sent by economy options like light/small packet, tracked packet, and USPS first class have no guaranteed customs clearance time. They are not prioritized and processed secondary to anything of an express/expedited/priority nature. None of these services have guaranteed service levels for international shipments. If small and light packet shipments had initial tracking scans like USPS first class international shipments to non e-delcon countries (they track input to mail system to export for every first class package) this would avoid a large part of the problem, but we are still back to square one which is being able to have tools to effective manage customer expectations. Adding some economy shipping options would be a step in the right direction. Increasing handling time is counterproductive.

 

 


 

 

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There is no small packet ground option for the USA, only for other countries.


 

Incorrect, it exists and is accessible from the US. If you using a listing template or some other service perhaps you are not seeing it.

 

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There is no Canada Post Small Packet USA Ground service. It was discontinued 2-3 years ago. That is a fact. Yet you say that a ground service is available. Then you say ground is available on eBay.com. Very confusing.

 

I believe you are referring to the eBay.com USA shipping options their Sell Your Item form, in particular the Economy Shipping services named USPS Retail Ground (2 to 9 business days) or USPS Parcel Select Ground (2 to 9 business days) or other carrier ground services.

 

These service are USA based and not available to most sellers located in Canada. If you are suggesting that a seller in Canada use a service on eBay.com in their listing for the shipping time estimates regardless of how the seller actually ships the item using a Canada Post option, then the seller would be misrepresenting what service they use. A seller in the USA would be surprised to get a package from Canada Post when the listing said it was using USPS Retail Ground or Parcel select.

 

You also seem to have advised in another topic to use Small Packet Ground International in a listing to get the delivery time estimate "Varies for an international country".

 

From what I am reading, you seem to think that a seller can use any shipping service available in a listing and that it does not matter what they actually use to ship the item. You have lumped a lot of service not available to a seller as US options.

 

USA
•Canada Post Light Packet USA - 6-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 5-8 business days)
•Canada Post Small Packet USA - 5-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 5-8 business days)
•Small Packet International Air - 5-18 business days
•Small Packets International Ground - 5-13 business days
•Standard International Shipping - 6-11 business days
•Expedited International Shipping - 5-10 business days

 

Please correct me if I am wrong. I find your posts since you started posting recently in the Canadian forums a few days ago about shipping to be confusing and making no sense at all at times. Please explain better. Saying that there is a ground option available on eBay.com USA is technically correct but is unusable to a Canada Seller.

 

This id appears to be a posting ID or a very inactive id. Would you mind giving one of your active selling ids so that we can see how you are using shipping option in live listings?

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Good morning Raphael.

 

Small technical question for you today.

 

We know that all eBay employees using these forums must be identified as such (blue border; "pink" in the old days)

 

Do the same rules apply to former employees?  Or are they free to post using a posting ID without stating they were previously employed by eBay?

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@hlmacdon wrote:

raphael@ebay.com wrote:

 

 

Just one comment on this. Let's not forget to look at the situation from a buyer's point of view. First of all, stating that the item is located in a different location than where it really ships from is wrong and misleading. I'm glad to read that the seller has corrected this. Now, with regards to the need to pad handling time to reflect the true time it'll take for the item to get there, again I just see this as the right thing to do to ensure buyers have the right expectations.


The right thing to do would be to give sellers the ability to set their own ETAs via a customizable shipping method that is definied by the seller both in text representation (or defined as something generic) and a min and max day value. The business logic for this is that by padding handling time you are telling a buyer you don't care about their order. Buyers are sensitive to the speed at which you process their order and increasing handling times will lead to an increase in lost sales. You state that "the new standards rules are global. As much as we would have preferred to create a set of rules that are specific to the Canadian shipping reality, the current structure of standards program doesn't allow for this"

 

I know this is not your fault, but can you not see how ridiculous this is to state to Canadian sellers while not providing them with any tools to be able to accurately produce an ETA? The fact that shipping services that ebay makes available to Canadian sellers have no tracking capability, and thus no initial scan to prevent defects, and ETAs in place that do not match Canada Post standards dooms a large percentage of Canadian sellers to losing their top rated seller status. The people in the best position to manage the expectations of buyers are the sellers themselves, yet the tools for doing so are limited and clearly not up to task as sellers are relaying to you.

 

I'm guessing this is down to a lack of resources and an imposition of global policy, but surely someone in a position of responsibility for the region can see that this will potentially lead to lost sales, further drive a wedge between buyers and sellers, and disincentivize sellers to sell on ebay by financially penalizing them for factors beyond their control? Surely that is a far greater financial risk than assigning resources to come up with a better solution to this.


Hi hlmacdon, thanks for your comments. There are a lot of things at play in creating the situation we are in today. Is it ideal? Probably not. Is it the best were were able to get for you Canadian sellers? At this time, yes. Maybe the most relevant question is, is it enough? The answer to that one will vary from seller to seller, but we have data that clearly shows it will be enough for the vast majority of sellers. In the meantime, we continue to document examples of cases where the current system fails and bring those to the relevant people.

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@pjcdn2005 wrote:

You're very popular today!

 

Recently I've had 2 customers contact me via ebay messages that they wanted to return their items for buyers remorse reasons.

 They didn't go through the return process so I just gave them the info and they sent the items back.

 

In one case, the buyer was in England so by the time I received the item back and went to refund, it was past 30 days and I couldn't cancel the order and therefore could not get my fees back.  Is it possible that they will be looking at this rule and making a change as it is very possible for it to take over 30 days for a buyer to receive an item and then send it back, especially when the buyer is in another country and when the seller has a 14 day + return option.

 

In the second case, the buyer was in the U.S. and well within the 30 days so I could refund and cancel the order in ebay. But I was not given the option of refunding the total less the original shipping cost.  The last time that I had a refund it did go through the return process and I would have been able to hold back the shipping if I wanted to. ( I never do but it is nice to have that option)  Is the difference just because one went through the return process and the other one didn't or is that the way it is set now regardless of how the return is done?

 


Hi pjcdn,

 

Regarding your 1st example, yes, the specific challenges of cross border & overseas returns are something that is being looked now that the new program is about to launch.

 

On the 2nd one, not sure about this one, I'll have to investigate. Thanks for bringing it up.

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@hlmacdon wrote:

As a followup to my previous message, here is some testing based on the current ebay hard coded etas using a variety of methods available to sellers that would fall under the category of non-expedited services, or services without guaranteed service levels). Have a look at the below for examples of where there is a clear disconnect. It is also important to note that the Canada Post ETAs only apply to large metro areas, many areas in Canada are outside of said metro areas, and Canada Post has clear guidelines as to the extended handling times for those areas)

 

United Kingdom
•Light packet International 5-10 business days (Canada Post Specifies 6-10 business days)
•Small packet International Air 5-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 6-10 business days)
•Standard International Shipping - 4-10 business days

 

USA
•Canada Post Light Packet USA - 6-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 5-8 business days)
•Canada Post Small Packet USA - 5-11 business days (Canada Post Specifies 5-8 business days)
•Small Packet International Air - 5-18 business days
•Small Packets International Ground - 5-13 business days
•Standard International Shipping - 6-11 business days
•Expedited International Shipping - 5-10 business days

 

As you can see most are redundant, out of step with existing delivery standards or simply haven't been reviewed to see if they make any sense (ie why does an air option have a wider eta range than ground?). Adding the economy option that exists on ebay.com is one way of helping with this situation but I still feel that having a user customizable option would be of far more

benefit, not only for Canadian sellers, but all global ebay sellers. I realize that Canadian logistics are by and large quite unique versus those of many other countries, and rather than a Canadian specific option, we need more generic options to cover a wider range of ETAs or something the individual seller can define. You can see from above that many of these options came about to cater to specific country shipping scenarios, and you are left with a legacy of redundant options rather than one single user definable option.

 

A revamping of some of the existing legacy shipping method options would be welcome.

 


I think you just explained the reason why we have longer estimates than those of Canada Post's in many cases, so I'm not going to address that.

 

As for a revamping of the delivery estimates as a whole, that's another thing I've mentioned we are pursuing already.

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